Gays and Gay Marriage

[LightPattern]

Had the Amish been the majority in Pennsylvania and tried to implement most of their ideals they would get smashed by the courts as they should. Civil rights are not a state issue.

If divorce was used to discriminate against a certain group (say only allowing whites to divorce), it would become a civil rights issue.

Back when the LDS did it (implemented ideals) in Utah the courts didn't take them down, congress actually passed a law that "smashed" them. Abe Lincoln signed it I believe.
The law was amended, then repealed later when the LDS were no longer viewed as a threat.

Interpretations of civil rights are State issues when they involve something States have the power to regulate - like marriage. It's really not cut-and-dry which is why the SCOTUS is hearing the Prop 8 case at all.

Regarding divorce.. it's different from marriage as not being an established civil right. I'm trying to think how a Justice might squeeze it in under "Equal protection" but I hope they'd hit the same wall I am.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Back when the LDS did it (implemented ideals) in Utah the courts didn't take them down, congress actually passed a law that "smashed" them. Abe Lincoln signed it I believe.
The law was amended, then repealed later when the LDS were no longer viewed as a threat.

Interpretations of civil rights are State issues when they involve something States have the power to regulate - like marriage. It's really not cut-and-dry which is why the SCOTUS is hearing the Prop 8 case at all.

Regarding divorce.. it's different from marriage as not being an established civil right. I'm trying to think how a Justice might squeeze it in under "Equal protection" but I hope they'd hit the same wall I am.

the federal government has a role in marriage "regulation" as well - taxes and benefits.

 

[LightPattern]

the federal government has a role in marriage "regulation" as well - taxes and benefits.

That's currently true.
Over in the DOMA defense thread they've worked out the right question I believe.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=34812406&posted=1#post34812406

Get the Federal government out of the marriage business entirely!

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

That's currently true.
Over in the DOMA defense thread they've worked out the right question I believe.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=34812406&posted=1#post34812406

Get the Federal government out of the marriage business entirely!

Get all government out of marriage is an acceptable answer. Just taking the feds out isn't enough. Whether you want to go with either is an entirely different fight though.

 

[michal1980]

Get all government out of marriage is an acceptable answer. Just taking the feds out isn't enough. Whether you want to go with either is an entirely different fight though.

Heres a hint you idiots that want to get government out of marriage.

If government is out of marriage, then what benefit do you get from marriage? non.

If government is out of marriage, then everyone is treated as an individual. Which means gays would be treated just like they are now.

 

[Oldgamer]

Is anyone else of having homosexuality constantly shoved down our throats in the media? Per Gallup, 3.4% of Americans consider themselves gay.

If that is the case, why are gay related subjects, gay characters on shows, news reports on gay marriage, etc... over represented so much. 3.4% of people are gay, seems like 30% of stuff I see on TV is gay related, and you can't watch or read the news without constant stories about gay marriage.

My stance is, if you want to get married, fine I don't care, it doesn't affect me, if you want to be gay, fine, again I don't care. Just wish the media representation of gays was proportional to the percent of people who are gay.

Also, in my child's text book, about 80% of the cartoon people portrayed in the book are minorities, what's up with that? Some kind of hidden agenda in a math book?

I think it is good that so many have "come out of the closet" so to speak, and that they have shows showing that "gay, bi, transgendered" folks are normal folks like anyone else. It breaks down all the myths and stereotypes that so many have. If it were not for so many coming out and voicing themselves, and for some of these shows airing, then we wouldn't see the current shift that we are seeing now, where many people are realizing that laws against people who are in the LGBT, and discriminatory practices are wrong.

I personally don't have an issue with seeing people of color in children's books, because it allows your child to grow up without the inbedded biases and prejudices against people of color. My kids grew up without any bias or prejudices.. and they are successful now in their adult lives.

 

[xBiffx]

My kids grew up without any bias or prejudices..

Coming out of retirement to highlight the absolute bullshit you just posted. Every single human being has bias and predjudices. That is partly what makes us human. Now you may have taught your children not to act on those and perhaps not act negatively but to say that your children are without just plain reeks.

As far as the topic goes. Its time to stopt treating married people, regardless of the sexual basis of the marriage, differently under the law. Marriage is a behavior and no behavior should be given special rights under the law especially one with such religious roots. Bringing up the 14th amendment with regards to same sex marriage is ironic considering the same arguments could be made for traditional marriage under the 14th.

 

[nageov3t]

Heres a hint you idiots that want to get government out of marriage.

If government is out of marriage, then what benefit do you get from marriage? non.

If government is out of marriage, then everyone is treated as an individual. Which means gays would be treated just like they are now.

that's fine by me... at least we'd have equality.

 

[LightPattern]

Heres a hint you idiots that want to get government out of marriage.

If government is out of marriage, then what benefit do you get from marriage? non.

If government is out of marriage, then everyone is treated as an individual. Which means gays would be treated just like they are now.

Everyone should be treated as an individual.

I hope the days are numbered for government (the feds at least, start there) interfering with something as personal as marriage.

 

[jackstar7]

Everyone should be treated as an individual.

I hope the days are numbered for government (the feds at least, start there) interfering with something as personal as marriage.

Hey, as long as you guys take the blame and it isn't heaped on gay people with slanders of them "destroying marriage", have at it.