gays in the military

[Vonkhan]

Homosexuality has been allowed in the Canadian military for a decade or more. I am not aware it created any issues or degraded our operational effectiveness. As a mater of fact, our soldiers have performed admirably under fire in Afghanistan. The US military has even put American troops under Canadian command. Would it have mattered if the General was gay?

Well, it works since none of the 3 Canadian soldiers are gay :whiste:

also, u guys got lucky that some built a tank with a 3 man crew

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

IMO gay men and women should be allowed to serve openly. I used to give DADT briefings when I was in the service and I always had a hard time making any rational case for the policy. That said, in my experience (which was admittedly in the AF, which I'd say is the least military of the military branches) most commanders had no interest in pursuing homosexual discharges. I met some fairly openly gay men and women in the service and they served without getting a hard time for the most part.

 

[Proprioceptive]

I'm in the military, and I have absolutely no issue serving alongside a gay man. His ability to fight has nothing to do with his sexual orientation and it's sad that anyone would think otherwise. I have gay friends and as mentioned before, they are not sexual deviants looking to butt rape all other soldiers. They're honorable men just like me and my fellow soldiers. Now, that being said, the military is chock-full of bigots and homophobes. I've seen this first hand. This is just an unfortunate way of life. We already have enough issue with rape and misconduct towards women in the military and we're worried about a few homosexual men serving? DADT should be repealed merely on principle alone, but in practice, harassment towards the gays, particularly physical harassment, should be dealt with swiftly and strongly. I don't care who you are in the military, you're a soldier, airman, marine etc, and anyone committing crimes of a sexual nature should be kicked out immediately. If the military, especially the Army, would stick to our core values and respect them, none of this would be an issue.

Loyalty
Duty
Respect
Selfless Service
Honor
Integrity
Personal Courage

Read it, know it, LIVE it.

 

[Platypus]

it's pretty sad that it's 2010 and this is even an issue.

Not sure I'd volunteer to fight and possibly die for a country that doesn't even consider me an equal though.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

I think they're afraid of sex scandles. One of the reasons they didn't allow women on ships until recently. They still don't slow them on subs IIRC. Machismo is a big thing in military circles.

Women are allowed on submarines.

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=52954

 

[Mo0o]

Maybe the straight soldiers dont want to have to watch the front and their back at the same time, you know what i mean? giggity giggity goooooo

Really though, all the talk about unit cohesion, troop morale, etc were all arguments used to try to bar african americans and women from serving in the military. In about 10 years, people preventing DADT from being repealed will be cast in the same light as the people that protested Brown vs. BoE.

 

[Turin39789]

I'm in the military, and I have absolutely no issue serving alongside a gay man. His ability to fight has nothing to do with his sexual orientation and it's sad that anyone would think otherwise. I have gay friends and as mentioned before, they are not sexual deviants looking to butt rape all other soldiers. They're honorable men just like me and my fellow soldiers. Now, that being said, the military is chock-full of bigots and homophobes. I've seen this first hand. This is just an unfortunate way of life. We already have enough issue with rape and misconduct towards women in the military and we're worried about a few homosexual men serving? DADT should be repealed merely on principle alone, but in practice, harassment towards the gays, particularly physical harassment, should be dealt with swiftly and strongly. I don't care who you are in the military, you're a soldier, airman, marine etc, and anyone committing crimes of a sexual nature should be kicked out immediately. If the military, especially the Army, would stick to our core values and respect them, none of this would be an issue.

Loyalty
Duty
Respect
Selfless Service
Honor
Integrity
Personal Courage

Read it, know it, LIVE it.

this. The problem is not with the soldier who is gay, black, female, white, jewish, etc, it is with the soldier who has a problem with the bigoted soldier who acts on their bigotry.

 

[moshquerade]

this. The problem is not with the soldier who is gay, black, female, white, jewish, etc, it is with the soldier who has a problem with the bigoted soldier who acts on their bigotry.

Well then...bigots shouldn't be allowed in the military. Problem solved.

 

[brainhulk]

Well then...bigots shouldn't be allowed in the military. Problem solved.

thats bigotry against bigots

 

[Proprioceptive]

Well then...bigots shouldn't be allowed in the military. Problem solved.

By definition, they do not live the values every military serviceman should be living by. Unfortunately, if they were all kicked out or not let in, we'd have a very limited armed forces capability. The thin line rests on the fact that even a bigot can love his country and fight for it meaningfully. It is hard to reconcile one with the other... and this is one of the biggest dilemmas that the US military faces.

 

[Elias824]

We need the first all gay battalion.

 

[AstroManLuca]

If you think openly gay people should be allowed in the military, then you must also believe showers and locker rooms in gyms should be coed.

You, sir, are and idiot

 

[Proprioceptive]

If you think openly gay people should be allowed in the military, then you must also believe showers and locker rooms in gyms should be coed.

I think you should change "openly gay" to "gay" because believe it or not, there are already gays serving in the military... and guess what... you may have already taken a shower with one! Have you been assaulted by a gay man? I would like to know where this ideology of yours comes from and what it is based on.

You know... the really sad part is that you're more likely to be sodomized by a straight man in the military than a gay man.

 

[Train]

I think you should change "openly gay" to "gay" because believe it or not, there are already gays serving in the military... and guess what... you may have already taken a shower with one! Have you been assaulted by a gay man? I would like to know where this ideology of yours comes from and what it is based on.

You know... the really sad part is that you're more likely to be sodomized by a straight man in the military than a gay man.

Is the reason there aren't coed showers because the females will get "assaulted"?

Just the fact that men would SEE the nekkid womenz is more than enough to piss every woman off. (well some of them, there are some serious skanks in the military)

But you have to admit, there is a double standard there.

 

[weflyhigh]

I honestly don't understand how openly gay men being forced to shower with straight men (and vice versa) is any different than males and females showering together?

The same exact reasoning being used ("not sexual deviants looking to butt rape", "dealt with swiftly and strongly") in support of allowing gays can be used to support coed showering and living quarters.

The fact of the matter is, is that problems would definitely arise. We have more than enough people in the military right now that we do not need gays and the problems they would bring.

 

[Mo0o]

I honestly don't understand how openly gay men being forced to shower with straight men (and vice versa) is any different than males and females showering together?

The same exact reasoning being used ("not sexual deviants looking to butt rape", "dealt with swiftly and strongly") in support of allowing gays can be used to support coed showering and living quarters.

The fact of the matter is, is that problems would definitely arise. We have more than enough people in the military right now that we do not need gays and the problems they would bring.

Thank you for not defending the rights and freedoms of certain citizens in this country.

 

[PimpJuice]

Why should we give those faggots the same rights as everyone else? If those faggots want the same rights as human beings they can change their sexual orientation.

/American Republican

You're the most homophobic sheep fucking kiwi I've ever seen

 

[Platypus]

I honestly don't understand how openly gay men being forced to shower with straight men (and vice versa) is any different than males and females showering together?

The same exact reasoning being used ("not sexual deviants looking to butt rape", "dealt with swiftly and strongly") in support of allowing gays can be used to support coed showering and living quarters.

The fact of the matter is, is that problems would definitely arise. We have more than enough people in the military right now that we do not need gays and the problems they would bring.

lololol

 

[ahenkel]

I honestly don't understand how openly gay men being forced to shower with straight men (and vice versa) is any different than males and females showering together?

The same exact reasoning being used ("not sexual deviants looking to butt rape", "dealt with swiftly and strongly") in support of allowing gays can be used to support coed showering and living quarters.

The fact of the matter is, is that problems would definitely arise. We have more than enough people in the military right now that we do not need gays and the problems they would bring.

Is this some kind of WAAHHH it's not fair protest because a gay dude gets to take a shower with other dudes and possibly fill the spank bank? Are you just jealous. Hell I don't care let everyone shower together in the military.

 

[Proprioceptive]

Thank you for not defending the rights and freedoms of certain citizens in this country.

While weflyhigh has a point, it's not necessarily a valid point. Yes, we have segregated showers, but this is because not only is the potential for sexual harassment there, but male/female relationships are readily viewed as normal and having coed showers and dorms/barracks would create an atmosphere of unnecessary preoccupation with things not related to the mission. When gay and straight males are showering together, there is no mutual "desire" for one another... sure one might be turned on or something, but the lack of mutual interest exists.

Then again, this is really a hard topic to really hash out without someone getting upset about something...

 

[moshquerade]

I honestly don't understand how openly gay men being forced to shower with straight men (and vice versa) is any different than males and females showering together?

The same exact reasoning being used ("not sexual deviants looking to butt rape", "dealt with swiftly and strongly") in support of allowing gays can be used to support coed showering and living quarters.

The fact of the matter is, is that problems would definitely arise. We have more than enough people in the military right now that we do not need gays and the problems they would bring.

youflylow.

really, are you in the U.S. Air Force? because it's shameful that you represent my country in military service.

your post suggests that if a homosexual man showers with other men he is going to make sexual advances towards them. like they are out of control animals.

for one, i don't think homosexual men even LIKE heterosexual men in that sense. also, like another poster said, there are homosexual men showering with you, you just don't know it. see how that works?

 

[zsdersw]

I honestly don't understand how openly gay men being forced to shower with straight men (and vice versa) is any different than males and females showering together?

You're already forced to shower with gay men, whether they're open about it or not. You are presently not, near as I can tell, forced (much less allowed) to shower with the opposite gender.

 

[Train]

youflylow.

really, are you in the U.S. Air Force? because it's shameful that you represent my country in military service.

your post suggests that if a homosexual man showers with other men he is going to make sexual advances towards them. like they are out of control animals.

for one, i don't think homosexual men even LIKE heterosexual men in that sense. also, like another poster said, there are homosexual men showering with you, you just don't know it. see how that works?

You didnt answer the main question...

If it's ok for gay and straight men to shower together, and gay/straight women to shower together, why is it not ok to just throw them all into one shower?

 

[moshquerade]

You didnt answer the main question...

If it's ok for gay and straight men to shower together, and gay/straight women to shower together, why is it not ok to just throw them all into one shower?

because women have boobies

 

[zsdersw]

You didnt answer the main question...

If it's ok for gay and straight men to shower together, and gay/straight women to shower together, why is it not ok to just throw them all into one shower?

No one ever really said they had to remain separated.