Also, irishscott, please ask your sister how she explains the fact that Israel is intentionally starving Palestinians.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/apr/16/israel
My sister is smarter than both of us and has studied this issue more than both of us, but whatever.
Now once again, you've established that Dahiya doctrine exists. Great. Now establish that it was used and is being used, because from that wikipedia page:
So it appears to be controversial as to whether the doctrine was actually used. Never mind the ambiguous definition of "the application of disproportionate force and the causing of great damage and destruction to civilian property and infrastructure, and suffering to civilian populations." Given the circumstances on the ground and their military capabilities, the Israelis are being remarkably reserved in use of force in the present conflict. They could have slaughtered 10s of thousands of Gazans by now if they'd wanted to.
As for the white phosphorous issue, sure that was an obvious war crime and should be dealt with as such. Once again though, it was also an isolated incident and occurred 5 years under a different administration. There is nothing in the current conflict that even remotely compares. Also FYI white phosphorous rounds are not technically classified as a "chemical weapon".
So far you've shown some collateral damage from poorly aimed air/artillery strikes and one illegal use of white phosphorus rounds, and a military doctrine that, if it was used, was short-lived. It's certainly better than what you've posted before now, but it still doesn't prove that the Israelis are, in the present conflict, intentionally targeting buildings after telling citizens to evacuate there.
You know, when you post an article from 2006 you can't really use present tense.
And I don't think you understood my post, my sister is entirely on your side. She just knows enough to not accuse the Israelis of genocide, among other things. You attacking my sister is like the Tea Party attacking Eric Cantor for not being conservative enough.
I guess the Palestinians should have used all that concrete they poured into those tunnels of death/rocket launching sites into an infrastructure and tried to build a country instead of being assholes.Oh yeah because Israel has become nicer to the Palestinians since then. The fact that starving Palestinians was a fucking policy when Israel should tell you all you need to know. Yeah i understood your post, the part about 'crying' tipped me off of that. Maybe you should speak to your sister again, you COULD be not listening to her (or maybe she is flat out dumb).
Like I saw someone post elsewhere, with all the shit Gaza has been given, they could have transformed it into a tourist resort and provided for their people by now.
I enjoy reading a forum with people with different opinions than me. Why would you want to go somewhere full of people who agree with you? "Israel sure sucks." "Yeah, they're real dicks." etc etc etc. That would get boring pretty fast.I am noticing the same thing. Please do let me know about some other half decent forums where such things can be discussed.
Also, it is a well known fact that it is a lot more easier to criticize Israel in Israel than it is in America. Has been like this for a long time.
What I would like to know is --Where the fuck do you come up with shit like that? What a fucking idiot.
I enjoy reading a forum with people with different opinions than me. Why would you want to go somewhere full of people who agree with you? "Israel sure sucks." "Yeah, they're real dicks." etc etc etc. That would get boring pretty fast.
This is not fucking 'reserved':
http://graphics.wsj.com/gaza-before-after/
Are you off your god damned rocker?
And i think we can conclude that doctrine is put in place for THIS conflict.
Again, http://graphics.wsj.com/gaza-before-after/
No, Israel just flattens towns JUST to go after Hamas.
And the doctrine sprang from Israeli actions against Lebanon and a fucking general admitted to it, so we know Israel has used that doctrine and it's ON THE TABLE. Call me crazy, but when you flatten villages, that sounds like the doctrine is in place.
Isn't it odd that, even though the US is Israel's bitch that even the American government couldn't stomach what happened?
http://news.yahoo.com/us-condemns-israels-disgraceful-shelling-un-school-gaza-174108427.html
Let me guess... again, you didn't hear about this.
killed 10 people
“The United States is appalled by today’s disgraceful shelling outside an UNRWA school in Rafah sheltering some 3,000 displaced persons,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.
“The suspicion that militants are operating nearby does not justify strikes that put at risk the lives of so many innocent civilians,” her written statement read.
What I would like to know is --
Okay so lets get this straight -- We have a country that has no navy, no air force, no special forces, not really an army, no tanks, no place to hide, k-mart rockets, yet they want to fight a war with Israel which is a powerhouse, I don't get it. they built (Gaza) tunnels to surprise the enemy, something like the Trojan horse concept. now who is advising these people to wage war.
actually your not as smart as you think....http://news.yahoo.com/us-condemns-is...174108427.html
Let me guess... again, you didn't hear about this.
Oh yeah because Israel has become nicer to the Palestinians since then. The fact that starving Palestinians was a fucking policy when Israel should tell you all you need to know. Yeah i understood your post, the part about 'crying' tipped me off of that. Maybe you should speak to your sister again, you COULD be not listening to her (or maybe she is flat out dumb).
Ethnic cleansing for the win, eh?
Abondon their homes and territory or suffer.
Another weird thing i've noticed, ATPN has become a COMPLETE shithole (even more so than after all the cheering for Palestinian genocide from the neo-con crew), but on other forums and reddit, i don't see this anywhere. Hell, i've even come to agreement with Libertarians that what Israel is doing is disgusting and we shouldn't be funding their murder machine. Even the israeli subreddit doesn't have that kind of vitriol against the Palestinians, hell some even have shown sypmathy to the Palestinian civilians. How the flying fuck did ATPN attract the lowest scum of rightwing dipshit humanity?
Seeing the right-wing genocidal Palestinians for being right-wing murderous fanatics and disagreeing with their perspective that their ethnicity gives them the natural right to ethnically cleanse the Jews is not right-wing. Now, it may be clearer to those of a different right-wing racist persuasion as they are not hampered with a childish unexamined presumption of equality assigned at a random point, but it's not right-wing.
Liberalism is not for the stupid. A conservative's perspective of a situation that does not trigger his identity biases will usually be better than that of a liberal who is personally ill-equipped to be wielding the concepts he is attempting to apply. The conservative is capable of some liberal thought when he is not personally involved, while a mundane liberal trying to wield the ideas of the intellectual elite doesn't know to check his premises and so suffers from GIGO.
When a butter knife mind tries to wield Excalibur, expect a mess.
Poseur alerts are awarded for passages of prose that stand out for pretension, vanity and really bad writing designed to look like profundity.
It's interesting watching you try and shoehorn whatever "side" you are against into being conservative and finding a way to rationalize your advocacy for genocide.
Well it's just boring watching you try to shoehorn "genocide" into self-defense.
1. The Palestinians want to ethnically cleanse the Jews and they murderously act on that desire.
2. The Jews have the right to prosecute said war until the Palestinians decide it would be more profitable for them to find some other hobby.
Note that "until." It designates a limit. And whether or not that limit is reached is under the complete control of the Palestinians.
You're such an anti-semite that you cannot think of anything other than the murder of the race of Jews as being acceptable, and in noting how the counter conflicts with your intransigence think that this is "genocide," as your ego is defined by your anti-semitism. Try changing to a perspective that is not genocidal and see what happens.
Oh, and disproof of, "shoehorning 'conservative'," was in the very post you quoted. See what is there, not what is convenient for you.
You're such an anti-semite that you cannot think of anything other than the murder of the race of Jews as being acceptable, and in noting how the counter conflicts with your intransigence think that this is "genocide," as your ego is defined by your anti-semitism. Try changing to a perspective that is not genocidal and see what happens.
There we go with the anti-semite garbage. If you can't take criticism of israel as anything but anti-semitism, then you are simply too fucking stupid to talk to.
I assume that your lack of 'fucks to give' only applies to the misery of Gazan kids.Can't give a fuck
I have no sympathy for Hamas and applaud Israel's restraint. If Mexican nationals started launching mortars at Texas because of the US having control of it, and the Mexican government and people refused to give up the terrorist involved, we'd carpet bomb the entire fucking country and call it a day.
Just thank God we have a Government, and not a Religion.
-John