Gaza in Plain Language

[SandEagle]

You are being gooofy and very mis-informed.
China and Russia have NO interest in those nuclear plants.
When the time is right Israel will strike and Russia or China cannot and will not do anything about it.
When Israel does strike world opinion will be 100% behind Israel.
The world does not want the headaches associated with a nuclear Iran.

You prediction about WWIII cannot be supported by facts...

Just like your bias for Hamas and the Palestinians is humorous.

I see no links supporting your gregarious comments concerning the "vested' interest that China and Russia have in Iran...or are you just rambling to hear yourself???

bias for hamas? lol..typical attack/response tactic when u know the facts are against u.

a quick google search will tell u that the iran's Bushehr nuclear plant was built by russian technicians. u may also want to read up on iran and china's increasing trade alliance over the last few years

 

[EagleKeeper]

bias for hamas? lol..typical attack/response tactic when u know the facts are against u.

a quick google search will tell u that the iran's Bushehr nuclear plant was built by russian technicians. u may also want to read up on iran and china's increasing trade alliance over the last few years

The Soviets had excellent trade relations with the Arab nations from the 1950s through 1980s.

Notice how much they became involved with the disputes.
It was not politically advantageous; easier to sit back and watch the destruction and the sell more equipment/technology.

Russia has nothing invested in Iran - If anything Iran is dependant on Russian knowledge which can be sold back to them again if an accident happens.

What does China have in a direct investment in Iran? They have trade which will happen no matter what type of conflict unless it is in China's political interest to shut it down.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The Soviets had excellent trade relations with the Arab nations from the 1950s through 1980s.

Notice how much they became involved with the disputes.
It was not politically advantageous; easier to sit back and watch the destruction and the sell more equipment/technology.

Russia has nothing invested in Iran - If anything Iran is dependant on Russian knowledge which can be sold back to them again if an accident happens.

What does China have in a direct investment in Iran? They have trade which will happen no matter what type of conflict unless it is in China's political interest to shut it down.

Aye, neither country have "invested" anything in Iran, they sold knowledge and manpower to use it but why would they care if it got destroyed? They get paid either way and AFAIK neither of the nations officially support Iran.

 

[JEDIYoda]

bias for hamas? lol..typical attack/response tactic when u know the facts are against u.

a quick google search will tell u that the iran's Bushehr nuclear plant was built by russian technicians. u may also want to read up on iran and china's increasing trade alliance over the last few years

The facts are not against me...if anything the true facts are against you....
Niether Russia nor China will do anything when Israel attacks the Iranian nuclear plant or plants......

Don`t need to read up on anything thing. I already know and will tell you again--- Russia nor China will do jack squat when israel attacks Iran`s nuclear plants!!

 

[nick1985]

 

[JS80]

 

[fallout man]

This way to funny.....nobody could make this up...
A few of us already knew about this vbut to the general public it will be a big deal....
I kinda feel sorry for this kids Dad...rofl..hahahaaa

 

[Noobtastic]

http://www.break.com/index/what_really_happens_pallywood.html

 

[fallout man]

http://www.break.com/index/what_really_happens_pallywood.html

lol yeah.

Shalom!

 

[Ozoned]

A lot of the $ Iran pumps into Gaza will need to be spent on infrastructure rather than something else...

 

[Noobtastic]

lol yeah.

Shalom!

No response?

This war is one of the most watched and covered in the history of western journalism.

Why do the Palestinians put so much effort to control the spin, going so far as to manufacture claims of massacres - staging scenes of violence, even murder?

If Israel is so evil why is so much money pumped into protecting the Pallywood script?

Israel could just as easily use money to stage scenes of violence - hell, maybe even choreograph a suicide bombing. Or they could go even farther and have Jewish soldiers camp behind Israeli preschools, or maybe even arm Israeli youth to fight Palestinians.

The reality is one side values the lives of their citizens, and the other side exploits the lives of their citizens for propaganda purposes.

In most wars, each side boasts about how little the enemy has hurt them. This was the case in the Arab-Israeli conflict where the Arab armies would lie about their high casuality rates.

But the Palestinians are unique in that they make a great effort to maximize the image that they are under attack. Constantly oppressed, violence every day....you simply like at an Israeli soldier the wrong way and he harvests your organs.

Look at this thread. The OP posts a video not so unique portraying Gaza as...*gasp* under attack. A victim to Israel's ruthless slaughter. A war not predicated on self-defense, but inspired by racism and designed to make the lives of Gazans a living hell.

Such a bizarre conflict. When the historians write the books on how the media covered this war...it will go down as one of the darkest days in modern western journalism.

 

[Ozoned]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFK5TNcmEmg

just caught this today. where is the international outrage for the people of Gaza? btw, disturbing and graphic images in video...


NEVER AGAIN.........unless you're Palestinian

It is in the same place where it was when palestinians were on the offense...


~The International Court of Justice concluded in July 2004 that Israel has no right of self-defence against Palestinian suicide bombings under international law.~

Bus bomb, Afula. 7 killed. 6 April 1994. Hamas.

Bus bomb in Hadera. 5 killed. 13 April 1994. Hamas.

No5 bus, central Tel-Aviv. 22 killed. 19 October 1994.

Beit Lid traffic junction near Netanya, double bombing. 21 killed. 22 January 1995. Islamic Jihad.

Bus bomb, Ramat Gan, central Israel. 6 killed. 24 July 1995.

Bus bomb in Northern Jerusalem, 4 killed. 21 August 1995.

No18 bus bombed on successive Sundays in central Jerusalem. Total 45 killed. 25 February and 3 March 1996.

Hitchhiking post, Ashkelon. 1 killed. 25 February 1996.

Shopping centre, central Tel-Aviv. 13 killed. 4 March 1996.

Central marketplace, Jerusalem, double-bombing. 16 killed, 178 injured. 30 July 1997.

Pedestrian mall, central Jerusalem, triple bombing. 5 killed, 181 injured.
5 September 1997.

Apropos Café, central Tel-Aviv. 3 killed. March 1999.

Town centre, Netanya. 3 killed, 60 injured. 4 March 2001. Hamas.

Bus stop, Kfar Saba. 2 killed, 4 injured. 28 March 2001. Hamas.

Shopping centre, Netanya. 5 killed, 100 injured. 18 May 2001. Hamas.

Dolphinarium discotheque, Tel-Aviv. 21 killed, 120 injured. 1 June 2001. Hamas.

Dugit, Gaza Strip. 2 killed. 22 June 2001.

Bus stop, Binyamina. 2 killed, 11 injured. 16 July 2001. Islamic Jihad.

Sbarro pizzeria, Jerusalem. 15 killed, 130 injured. 9 August 2001. Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Train station, Nahariya. 3 killed, 90 injured. 9 September 2001.

Kibbutz Sheluhot entrance. 1 killed. 7 October 2001.

No823 bus, Hadera. 3 killed, 9 injured. 29 November 2001. Islamic Jihad.

Ben Yehuda Street pedestrian mall, Jerusalem. 11 killed, 180 injured. 1 December 2001. Hamas.

No16 bus, Haifa. 15 killed, 40 injured. 2 December 2001. Hamas.

Jaffa Road, Central Jerusalem. 1 killed, 150 injured. 27 January 2002. Fatah.

Pizzeria, Ginot Shomron (Samaria). 2 killed, 30 injured. 16 February 2002. PFLP.

Synagogue entrance, Jerusalem. 11 killed, 50 injured. 2 March 2002. Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs.

Central Bus station, Afula. 1 killed, many injured. 5 March 2002. Islamic Jihad.

Moment Café, Jerusalem. 11 killed, 54 injured. 9 March 2002. Hamas.

No823 bus, Wadi Ara junction. 7 killed, 30 injured. 20 March 2002. Islamic Jihad.

Main shopping street, Jerusalem. 3 killed, 86 injured. 21 March 2002. Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

Passover meal, Park hotel, Netanya. 30 killed, 140 injured. 27 March 2002. Hamas.

Supermarket, Jerusalem. 2 killed, 28 injured. 29 March 2002. Bombing claimed by Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs.

Matza restaurant, Haifa. 15 killed, 40 injured. 31 March 2002. Hamas.

Police roadblock, Jerusalem. 1 killed. 1 April 2002. Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

Café, Tel-Aviv. 1 killed, 30 injured. 4 April 2002. Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

Bus No960, near Haifa. 8 killed, 22 injured. 10 April 2002. Hamas.

Mahane Yehuda open-air market, Jerusalem. 6 killed, 104 injured. 12 April 2002. Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

Snooker club, Rishon Lezion. 15 killed, 55 injured. 7 May 2002. Hamas.

Shopping centre, Netanya. 3 killed, 59 injured. 19 May 2002. Hamas and PFLP.

Pedestrian precinct, Rishon LeZion, central Israel. 2 killed, 40 injured. 22 May 2002.

Ice-cream parlour, Petah Tikva. 2 killed, 37 injured. 27 May 2002. Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs.

No830 bus, Megiddo, Northern Israel. 17 killed, 38 injured. 5 June 2002. Islamic Jihad.

Restaurant, Herzliya. 1 killed, 15 injured. 11 June 2002.

No 32A bus, Jerusalem, Patt junction. 19 killed, 70 injured. 18 June 2002. Hamas.

French Hill bus stop, North Jerusalem. 7 killed, 50 injured. 19 June 2002. Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

Tel-Aviv, central bus station. 5 killed, 40 injured, in double-bomb attack. 17 July 2002. Bombing claimed by Islamic Jihad.

Student cafeteria, Hebrew University of Jerusalem. 9 killed, 85 injured. 31 July 2002. Hamas.

Bus361, Meron, Northern Israel. 9 killed, 50 injured. 4 August 2002. Hamas.

Bus stop, Umm Al Fahm, central Israel. 1 killed, 3 injured. 18 September 2002. Islamic Jihad.

No4 bus, central Tel-Aviv. 6 killed, 70 injured. 19 September 2002. Hamas.

Bus stop, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat Gan. 1 killed, 30 injured. 10 October 2002. Hamas.

No841 bus, Wadi Ara, northern Israel. 14 killed, 50 injured. 21 October 2002. Islamic Jihad.

Petrol station, Ariel. 3 killed, 20 injured. 27 October 2002. Hamas.

Shopping centre, Kfar Sava. 2 killed, 70 injured. 4 November 2002. Islamic Jihad.

No20 bus, Jerusalem. 11 killed, 50 injured. 21 November 2002. Hamas.

Tel-Aviv, near central bus station. 23 killed, 120 injured. Double suicide bombing. 5 January 2003. Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and Islamic Jihad joint attack.

No37 bus to Haifa University. 17 killed, 53 injured. 5 March 2003. Hamas.

Mike’s Place beachfront bar, Tel-Aviv. 3 killed, 60 injured. 30 April 2003. Hamas.

Pedestrian precinct, Hebron, 2 killed. 17 May 2003. Hamas.

No6 bus, North Jerusalem. 7 killed, 20 injured. 18 May 2003. Hamas.

Shopping centre, Afula. 3 killed, 70 injured. 19 May 2003. Islamic Jihad and and Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade joint attack.

No14A bus, Central Jerusalem. 17 killed. 100 injured. 11 June 2003. Hamas.

Supermarket, Moshav Sde Trumot. 1 killed. 19 June 2003. Islamic Jihad.

Moshav Kfar Yavetz, private home. 1 killed, 3 injured. 7 July 2003. Islamic Jihad.

Bus stop, Ariel. 1 killed, 3 injured. 12 August 2003

No2 bus from the Western Wall, Jerusalem. 23 killed, 130 injured. 19 August 2003. Hamas.

Tzrifin hitchhiking post, North-East of Tel Aviv. 9 killed, 30 injured. 9 September 2003. Mass murder bombing claimed by Hamas.

Café Hillel, central Jerusalem. 7 killed, 50 injured. 9 September 2003. Hamas.

Maxim restaurant, Haifa. 23 killed, 60 injured. 4 October 2003. Islamic Jihad.

Erez crossing-point, North Gaza - terminal building for Palestinian workers. 4 Israelis killed, 10 injured. 14 January 2004. PFLP.

No19 bus, Central Jerusalem. 11 killed, 50 injured. 29 January 2004. Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

No14 bus, Central Jerusalem. 7 killed, 60 injured. 22 February 2004. Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

Ashdod port facilities, southern Israel, double suicide bombing. 10 killed, 16 injured. 10 March 2004. Hamas and Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

Simultaneous double bus bomb attack, Be'er Sheva, southern Israel. 16 killed, 100 injured. 31 August 2004. Hamas

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

No response?

This war is one of the most watched and covered in the history of western journalism.

Why do the Palestinians put so much effort to control the spin, going so far as to manufacture claims of massacres - staging scenes of violence, even murder?

If Israel is so evil why is so much money pumped into protecting the Pallywood script?

Israel could just as easily use money to stage scenes of violence - hell, maybe even choreograph a suicide bombing. Or they could go even farther and have Jewish soldiers camp behind Israeli preschools, or maybe even arm Israeli youth to fight Palestinians.

The reality is one side values the lives of their citizens, and the other side exploits the lives of their citizens for propaganda purposes.

In most wars, each side boasts about how little the enemy has hurt them. This was the case in the Arab-Israeli conflict where the Arab armies would lie about their high casuality rates.

But the Palestinians are unique in that they make a great effort to maximize the image that they are under attack. Constantly oppressed, violence every day....you simply like at an Israeli soldier the wrong way and he harvests your organs.

Look at this thread. The OP posts a video not so unique portraying Gaza as...*gasp* under attack. A victim to Israel's ruthless slaughter. A war not predicated on self-defense, but inspired by racism and designed to make the lives of Gazans a living hell.

Such a bizarre conflict. When the historians write the books on how the media covered this war...it will go down as one of the darkest days in modern western journalism.

The underlined blue part of his post is a link, fucking click it.

The OP is a fucked up twat but then again, so are you, we should have a fucking forum for the two of you, you seriously deserve each other.

 

[fallout man]

No response?

This war is one of the most watched and covered in the history of western journalism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/world/middleeast/07media.html

Why do the Palestinians put so much effort to control the spin, going so far as to manufacture claims of massacres - staging scenes of violence, even murder?

If Israel is so evil why is so much money pumped into protecting the Pallywood script?

If Israel is so benign, why is so much effort pumped into creating faux pro-Israeli public opinion and white-wash?

In most wars, each side boasts about how little the enemy has hurt them.

But the Palestinians are unique in that they make a great effort to maximize the image that they are under attack. Constantly oppressed, violence every day....you simply like at an Israeli soldier the wrong way and he harvests your organs.

Look at this thread. The OP posts a video not so unique portraying Gaza as...*gasp* under attack. A victim to Israel's ruthless slaughter. A war not predicated on self-defense, but inspired by racism and designed to make the lives of Gazans a living hell.

Such a bizarre conflict. When the historians write the books on how the media covered this war...it will go down as one of the darkest days in modern western journalism.

Indeed.

But hey, what do I know... I could be a self-hating jew, or worse... a MUSLIM!!!! Can't be trusted, either one of those!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It is in the same place where it was when palestinians were on the offense...


~The International Court of Justice concluded in July 2004 that Israel has no right of self-defence against Palestinian suicide bombings under international law.~

I can see that i made a clear mistake in respecting you.

Israel has every right to defend herself and did so justly, NO court has stated otherwise.

That Israel went far and beyond on some things, one of the things being using white phospor against UN operatives which there have been soldiers charged for.

To the best of my knowledge, ALL outstanding orders are for the arrests of Palestinians.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/world/middleeast/07media.html



If Israel is so benign, why is so much effort pumped into creating faux pro-Israeli public opinion and white-wash?



Indeed.

But hey, what do I know... I could be a self-hating jew, or worse... a MUSLIM!!!! Can't be trusted, either one of those!

I'm your worst nightmare, Jewish and SAS!

 

[fallout man]

I'm your worst nightmare, Jewish and SAS!

OHSHI!!!

/quickly slaps on yarmulke, and payots hastily crafted of hair from pubis...

Who wants latkes?

I kid, I kid.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

ohshi!!!

/quickly slaps on yarmulke, and payots hastily crafted of hair from pubis...

Who wants latkes?

I kid, i kid.

:d

שָׁלוֹם עֲלֵיכֶם

 

[fallout man]

:d

שָׁלוֹם עֲלֵיכֶם

Are you asking me out? D:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Are you asking me out? D:

You don't read Hebrew you stupid Jew?

Shalom Aleichem

(and if i had been asking you out i'd say something charming like "wanna fuck")

 

[Ozoned]

I can see that i made a clear mistake in respecting you.

Israel has every right to defend herself and did so justly, NO court has stated otherwise.

That Israel went far and beyond on some things, one of the things being using white phospor against UN operatives which there have been soldiers charged for.

To the best of my knowledge, ALL outstanding orders are for the arrests of Palestinians.

http://www.davidknoll.com.au/files/JCOM/The Review - Courting Trouble.htm

 

[Noobtastic]

http://www.davidknoll.com.au/files/JCOM/The Review - Courting Trouble.htm

What a great link.

I was always suspicious of the IJC and how closely it associated with the hostile and biased UN (admitted by Kofi Annan) against Israel.

I never really understood the ruling on how Israel's barrier is a violation of "international law."

Saudi Arabia is building 1,000 mile wall that cuts right into Yemen, Pakistan-India have the 4,000 mile LOC, Morroco has the Berm, Thailand is building a fence to protect itself from islamists, etc...

None of these walls have ever marked the attention of the UN.

Only Israel's.

And Israel's wall is 97% fence.

 

[fallout man]

What a great link.

I was always suspicious of the IJC and how closely it associated with the hostile and biased UN (admitted by Kofi Annan) against Israel.

I never really understood the ruling on how Israel's barrier is a violation of "international law."

Saudi Arabia is building 1,000 mile wall that cuts right into Yemen, Pakistan-India have the 4,000 mile LOC, Morroco has the Berm, Thailand is building a fence to protect itself from islamists, etc...

None of these walls have ever marked the attention of the UN.

Only Israel's.

And Israel's wall is 97% fence.

^^^Self-hate.^^^

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

http://www.davidknoll.com.au/files/JCOM/The Review - Courting Trouble.htm

"Both the International Court of Justice in The Hague (ICJ) and the Israeli Supreme Court have decided that while Israel has the right to defend herself against the onslaught of Palestinian terror by building a security barrier that is part fence-part wall, the route of that barrier is subject to legal regulation."

This is the gist of the matter and unsurprising to anyone who has ever dealt with the UN, legal matters on borders or how they can be defended.

I don't get your point?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

What a great link.

I was always suspicious of the IJC and how closely it associated with the hostile and biased UN (admitted by Kofi Annan) against Israel.

I never really understood the ruling on how Israel's barrier is a violation of "international law."

Saudi Arabia is building 1,000 mile wall that cuts right into Yemen, Pakistan-India have the 4,000 mile LOC, Morroco has the Berm, Thailand is building a fence to protect itself from islamists, etc...

None of these walls have ever marked the attention of the UN.

Only Israel's.

And Israel's wall is 97% fence.

I have no problem seeing Israel as a nation held to a higher standard than the shitholes that surrounds it, why you want to bring it down to their level is beyond me?

Do you actually think that Israel is part of the sheithole that is the ME or rather the part of the western world countries? For me the answer is obvious, then again, i'm Jewish, i'd bet my life that you are not.