Gears of War 4 Benchmark

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Bacon1

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Great review from them as always.

GamersNexus pulled their review:

We have discovered a few issues with the Gears of War 4 testing that require a revisit to the game. We are working diligently to perform those tests now, and have temporarily unpublished the original content while we work to learn more about the title.

Our apologies for the inconvenience as we work through some new tests with the game. These are important to the results, and we believe them to be critical enough to put a pause on our original content delivery.

Stay tuned!
 

PhonakV30

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16.9.2 Hotfix Is same 16.10.1 ? Pcgamehawarde used this driver

"Geforce 373.03, Radeon Software 16.9.2 Hotfix, Win 10 x64"
 

Bacon1

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16.9.2 Hotfix Is same 16.10.1 ? Pcgamehawarde used this driver

"Geforce 373.03, Radeon Software 16.9.2 Hotfix, Win 10 x64"

No 16.9.2 came out ~Sept 26th, the 16.10.1 came out yesterday (10/5)
 

SPBHM

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Nvidia performance with the slower CPU is looking pretty bad on the computerbase test, I hope Digital Foundry and others pick on that point, but I couldn't help but notice how odd the performance loss looks, if you check the 980 ti + 1080
and 970
 

Madpacket

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Wow Fury X tearing it up! Looks like computerbase is using the latest drivers for both companies as well. I'm actually surprised AMD cards are doing this well. The CPU overhead reversal is probably due to GCN tech having proper hardware asynchronous shaders, just a guess though.

Also great to see no gameworks artificially killing performance here. Ultimately cards perform very well from both camps and AMD still working its magic with the 4GB of HBM.

Good DX12 release, Finally!

Now if the game is good I'll be picking this up.
 
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Carfax83

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Nvidia performance with the slower CPU is looking pretty bad on the computerbase test, I hope Digital Foundry and others pick on that point, but I couldn't help but notice how odd the performance loss looks, if you check the 980 ti + 1080
and 970

Yeah, it's weird, because the game isn't very CPU dependent at all.. Anyway, benchmarking this game is very tricky because it uses UWP and DX12, so I'd take this with a grain of salt until other websites can verify or unverify. I guess we'll likely have to wait until Digital Foundry does their full analysis to come to any sort of conclusion.
 

Madpacket

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GamerNexus shouldn't have published in the first place given how anomalous the results were. I took one look at them and knew something was wrong. They were first to publish (or among the first) so they already got the traffic. Pulling the article is good but probably won't hurt their pocket books too much at this point.
 

Bacon1

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GamerNexus shouldn't have published in the first place given how anomalous the results were. I took one look at them and knew something was wrong. They were first to publish (or among the first) so they already got the traffic. Pulling the article is good but probably won't hurt their pocket books too much at this point.

There numbers for AMD have been very low for a long time now. I'm wondering if they have recording or something turned on without realizing it.

Glad they put up a warning / notice, but people have already plastered the results all over.
 

Snarf Snarf

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Is computerbase the only site using the game ready drivers by AMD? Their numbers look more like what performance landscape should be with Fury X putting in a really good showing.

Also that CPU overhead on the 8370 had me like . Fury X so far ahead of the pack at 1080p on the 8370
 

Madpacket

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There numbers for AMD have been very low for a long time now. I'm wondering if they have recording or something turned on without realizing it.

Glad they put up a warning / notice, but people have already plastered the results all over.

Indeed. I called BS on the 4 vs. 8GB article they published a few months ago. We'll see if they're professionals if they go back and revisit the results for other anomalous results.
 

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Carfax83

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The CPU overhead reversal is probably due to GCN having proper hardware asynchronous shaders, just a guess though.

For the umpteenth time, there's no such thing as proper hardware asynchronous shaders That's just AMD's specific implementation which isn't a requirement or specification for DX12. Anyway, here's GameGPU's CPU usage charts for Intel and AMD CPUs on a GTX 1080. The game seems to be very well threaded, but I'm also surprised at how much CPU it's using..

*Edit* In light of the frame rates it's achieving, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at how much CPU it's using.



 

Azix

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For the umpteenth time, there's no such thing as proper hardware asynchronous shaders That's just AMD's specific implementation which isn't a requirement or specification for DX12. Anyway, here's GameGPU's CPU usage charts for Intel and AMD CPUs on a GTX 1080. The game seems to be very well threaded, but I'm also surprised at how much CPU it's using..

*Edit* In light of the frame rates it's achieving, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at how much CPU it's using.




This is true. A lot of things are like this. eg. a car doesn't have to have an engine, the flintstones legsus can be called a car.
 

RussianSensation

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So another game that bust both the DX12 and Kepler driver myth.

Clearly not looking at the same benchmarks as everyone else is. Let's add launch prices too to make it clearer for you:

$299 R9 280X > $449 770 4GB
$399 R9 290 ~ $699 GTX780Ti > $500-650 GTX780
$549 R9 290X > $699 780Ti





Then again, maybe in your world when Kepler isn't behind by 20-30%, it's not gimped, since you also conveniently ignore that this is a UE4 title that normally favours NV and that each Kepler GPU that loses to its GCN equivalent cost substantially more during that generation's life cycle.

Ironic how you didn't even mention that at 1440p UQ the $280-325 R9 290X is just 3 fps behind the $550 GTX980. You do remember that during the 980 vs. R9 290X era the latter card cost less than half the price. In this context once we add launch prices, the performance of GTX770, 780, 780Ti and 980 is underwhelming.

Yeah, it's weird, because the game isn't very CPU dependent at all..

Are we looking at the same benchmarks? FX8370 at ComputerBase.de is bottlenecking NV's cards compared to the same GPUs running on 6700K.

i7 6700K
GTX970 = 62.9 fps
R9 390 = 67.9 fps

FX 8370
GTX 970 = 48.1 fps
R9 390 = 61.9 fps

GameGPU shows 2600K and i7 6700 demolishing 2500K and i5 6600. It takes at least an i5 6600 to hit maintain 60 fps minimums.

So much for Core i5 defenders on this forum. i7 2600K > i5 6600

Sandy
i7 2600K = 88 fps minimums
i5 2500K = 45 fps minimums

Skylake
i7 6700 = 112 fps minimums
i5 6600 = 60 fps minimums



Gears of War 4 is an exceptionally optimized DX12 title. It even makes use of tiled resources, a highly useful feature that came out with DX11.2 but that no game developer has used to my knowledge.

It's not impressive when the game looks worse than Crysis 2, and by far worse than Crysis Warhead or Metro 2033/Last Light/Rise of the Tomb Raider/Deus Ex Mankind Divided/Crysis 3, etc. This is a straight up console port, with mainly shadows and SSR superior on the PC. The graphics are average at best for a 2016 game.





Zooming in on the screenshots or watching a Candyland video reveals low-polygon character models, mediocre textures, nothing special lighting effects/particle effects/smoke effects. Up-close the vegetation, rocks/terrain looks terrible for a 2016 DX12 PC game. Ironic how you dismissed the gorgeous Forza Horizon 3 (even though it was poorly optimized), but are calling this an exceptionally optimized DX12 title!





Motion blur does not make a 2016 PC game next gen.



Candyland: Gears of War 4 – PC Ulltra vs. Xbox One: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LXEBeTezh8

Graphics are nothing special, I'd even call them mediocre for 2016. No wonder R9 290 is hitting 70 fps at 1080p UQ at GameGPU.
 
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dogen1

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This is true. A lot of things are like this. eg. a car doesn't have to have an engine, the flintstones legsus can be called a car.

Ehh, it's entirely possible a more AMD style approach would not even be that advantageous for nvidia depending on whatever changes would be required for their architecture. Their potential gain is already lower than AMD due to better utilization anyway.
 

RussianSensation

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It doesn't matter though, because Pascal is WAY ahead of Fury X, and so is the GTX 980 Ti for that matter, which doesn't have AC...

The 980Ti they used was a factory pre-overclocked AIB version. The Palit JetStream was 25% faster than Fury X at 1080p per TPU testing. Claiming that a 980Ti OC is beating Fury X easily isn't a revelation as we already knew that. As far as your comparison of 1080 to Fury X, that's stating the obvious because it's akin to comparing HD7970/GTX680 (1080) to GTX580 (Fury X). A generation newer Pascal architecture SKU that costs $620+ made on a far superior 16nm node should obliterate the 1.5-year-old 28nm Fury X.

Today, when on the lower end the GTX1080 costs $620 and Fury X is $350 on Newegg, the constant comparisons of GTX1080 to Fury X with conclusions that "AMD is getting destroyed in DX12, blah blah blah" are getting tiresome to read. Let's see how 1080 does compared to its true generational competitor - Vega 10. At the very least, given the current pricing landscape, the Fury X should be compared to the GTX1070.

It seems after AMD HD7000/R9 290 series wiped the floor with Kepler, the new thing is to compare GPUs while completely ignoring their prices. Interesting new strategy from NV fans.
 
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Headfoot

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Indeed. I called BS on the 4 vs. 8GB article they published a few months ago. We'll see if they're professionals if they go back and revisit the results for other anomalous results.
Gamer Nexus has always been a second tier quality site
 

ShintaiDK

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I wish to understand how it's not clearly a flame war attempt.

Btw, suddenly WCCFTech is not anymore a trash site for you?

It was tested on multiple sites.

If you mean that it shows the truth, then yes.
 

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