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CPA

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i don't get how amazon is being supported by the stock market. afaik amazon isn't selling stock in the primary market. 99.9999999% of stock sales are sold by someone other than the issuing entity for anything publicly traded.

You're right, of course, but that doesn't stop companies blaming them. It's a convenient excuse.
 

BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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If all of the lemonade stands in town, are charging between $1 and $2 for a cup of lemonade, and I open a lemonade stand and charge $0.25 for a cup, even though it costs me $0.50, and I do that just because I can, because my parents are rich, and support my lemonade stand, is that really a fair free-market economy? Just because I want to put all of the other lemonade stands out of business (loss of jobs in the marketplace), and eventually charge $5 for a cup?

And when you start charging $5 people will stop buying your lemonade. What seems to be the problem?
 

BoberFett

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Of course it's easy for people who have never tried to do anything in their lives to love everything Amazon.

I do IT support work for many small businesses and they all are struggling, it amazes me how they are even able to stay in business. These are some of the nicest, hardest working, customer service oriented owners you'll find, and they do care a lot that their employees have stable paychecks to provide for their families.

But, that is dying very fast thanks to attitudes like jaqie's. At least you can rest assured that millions of other shoppers are like you too, your individual shopping habits do not make or break any business.

You don't think nice people work for Amazon? Why do I need customer service? I'm buying an off-the-shelf product, I need it in my hands for the lowest price. That's what Amazon does. When I need a service I look for customer service, reselling products can and should be done by the cheapest means possible.
 

CPA

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And when you start charging $5 people will stop buying your lemonade. What seems to be the problem?

but that will just take a little bit of spending money out of your pocket, while keeping things fun. You will decrease unemployment, too.

If you don't believe me, read this thread.
 

Carson Dyle

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Low prices and free shipping? I think we did good.

Yep.

And Walmart? I was in King Soopers (Kroger subsidiary in Colorado) yesterday. A can of Geisha smoked oysters was $3.59. The exact same can at Walmart was $1.56.

I'll take it. And if I don't like the meat or produce or the non-organic coffee at Walmart I can go pay double or triple at Whole Foods.

(And, of course, let's not forget that the chains like Kroger and Safeway put most of the smaller mom-and-pop grocers out of business 50 or more years ago.)
 

ultimatebob

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One big advantage that Amazon.com has over their competition is their hosting services. Not only does their cloud hosting service give them another profit center for the company, but it allows them to quickly scale for holiday sales or new product launches.

For example, something tells me that Newegg can't double their server capacity overnight for a Black Friday sale or a new Apple iToy launch. Amazon can.
 

BarkingGhostar

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Looks like Amazon.com claims another victim. In a previous era, where gov't actually stood for the will of the people, and not just a tool of the mega-corporations, amazon.com's tactics would have been grounds for lawsuits by the FTC, under predatory competition laws.

But Amazon.com is the current administration's darling, losing millions of dollars a day selling under cost, and putting millions of other smaller businesses out of work.

The ultimate goal, of course, is one ultimate over-arching megacorp that is the only centralized location to buy anything, especially books. "They" want control over information flow, and how better to censor, under the illusion of a "free market", than to simply not offer those books for sale, and once Amazon.com gets there way, there will be no alternative sources.

So, shed a tear for geeks.com, and DONT PATRONIZE AMAZON.COM. I've stopped, you should too.
You really think Amazon got to where it is by not once being small, too? What if Geeks got bigger than Amazon and put them out of business. What does your gravy train of political rest go from there? Obviously not enough people cared about them (I didn't know they existed).

This reminds me of a local small chain of pizza places that the wife and I loved. Poor management torpedoed their business. It wasn't the competition, but poor management.
 

Carson Dyle

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One big advantage that Amazon.com has over their competition is their hosting services. Not only does their cloud hosting service give them another profit center for the company, but it allows them to quickly scale for holiday sales or new product launches.

For example, something tells me that Newegg can't double their server capacity overnight for a Black Friday sale or a new Apple iToy launch. Amazon can.

Never saw Newegg down due to traffic.

And I seriously doubt that Amazon has that much excess capacity lying around for a one-week a year scaling up. If they do, then they're losing many millions of dollars carrying it the for other 51 weeks.
 

Jeff7

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Never saw Newegg down due to traffic.

And I seriously doubt that Amazon has that much excess capacity lying around for a one-week a year scaling up. If they do, then they're losing many millions of dollars carrying it the for other 51 weeks.
The excess capacity doesn't go to waste.



You don't think nice people work for Amazon? Why do I need customer service? I'm buying an off-the-shelf product, I need it in my hands for the lowest price. That's what Amazon does. When I need a service I look for customer service, reselling products can and should be done by the cheapest means possible.
"The $400 thing you just sold me isn't working. Can I get a replacement?"

- "..."

"Hello? Anyone there?"

- "Good day and hello sir I understand you have problem with products and purchases? And a good day to you again sir I hope the day is well for you."

"I bought a basic laptop, but it won't boot past BIOS. I'd like to get a replacement."

- "Yes sir I understand your problem and a good day I hope you are having. What part of the computer is this BIOS? Is it a keyboard or mouse accessory?"

"No, it's the BIOS, the basic operating firmware to get the system to boot. It's not even working enough to boot past that."

- "Ok I am now in understanding. Please disconnect power first from the laptop, and then reconnect the power providing system to the laptop electrical port plug. Now pressing in the power button and await for boot."


And so on.

(That's based largely on a conversation I had with my new credit card provider, after my first card was lost in the mail, so I needed to get a second one sent out. Part of the conversation included being told that I needed to remove the card number from any automatic billing arrangements I had set up - you know, for the card I had never received. The guy was almost certainly just reading a bunch of prompts, had no understanding of what I was actually talking about, and yes, he would say something to the effect of "have a nice day" every time he would speak.)

Customer service is just a drag and an annoying extra expense - until you wish for nothing more than to speak to a person who can correctly understand you, and facilitate some manner of resolution.
The attitude of companies that outsource their customer service to the lousiest provider possible is one of, "We already have your money. Can you please just...well, shut up and go away now?"



And when you start charging $5 people will stop buying your lemonade. What seems to be the problem?
Perhaps not all the way to $5, but they will certainly push the limits of what the market will tolerate - as indeed any business attempts to do, within the confines created by their competitors.
If a shining new star of a competitor tries to make their way in once the price point has reached a place where it makes the cost and risk of entry worthwhile, and they grow to become enough of a pain in the ass, Amazon can always thrash them to oblivion with another round of deep discounts, and then go back to business as usual.
 
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rockyct

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That's a bummer... I was hoping that geeks.com would have had a going out of business inventory liquidation sale before they closed

That said, most of the things that they sold seemed to be either old and refurbished... so it would be more like a liquidation sale of stuff that was bought at a liquidation sale
Yeah, their stock made Woot look like a premiere online retailer. At one point they were sort of comparable to Newegg but then they really never bothered to update their stock of items. I don't see how they can really blame their fate on Amazon. Newegg combined with the decrease in PC builders really did them in.
 

techs

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I used to buy from Geeks regularly but that was 10 years ago. I used to still occasionally check out the site, but haven't ordered anything for at least 3-4 years.

Still, sorry to see them go. The fewer reputable resellers their are the worse for the consumer.
 

kinev

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If all of the lemonade stands in town, are charging between $1 and $2 for a cup of lemonade, and I open a lemonade stand and charge $0.25 for a cup, even though it costs me $0.50, and I do that just because I can, because my parents are rich, and support my lemonade stand, is that really a fair free-market economy? Just because I want to put all of the other lemonade stands out of business (loss of jobs in the marketplace), and eventually charge $5 for a cup?

Yes.

And...once you start selling at $5/cup then others are free to enter the market and sell at $2 a cup again.

That being said, I am currently typing on a refurbished wireless keyboard that I bought at geeks.com (I think it was still compgeeks.com back then) in 1999-ish. It's the one part that I have kept in all of my more recent builds.
 

BoberFett

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Junk. They tried to pass along used and refurbished items without telling people what they were getting. Plus, as time went on the quality just spiraled down hill.

I never saw them label anything as new when it was refurbished. But this isn't the old days of computer hardware. Nobody wants old offbrand refurbs. Their business model was outdated, Amazon or no.
 

Gillbot

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I never saw them label anything as new when it was refurbished. But this isn't the old days of computer hardware. Nobody wants old offbrand refurbs. Their business model was outdated, Amazon or no.

I used to buy a LOT from them. Subscribed to their email lists and everything. Later on, I started buying things and they were obviously either refurbed or returned items. Missing accessories, fingerprints and covers missing, just poor quality and it only declined from there. I swore them off and never looked back.
 

Red Squirrel

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It sucks to see small businesses get killed off because of mega corporation. Running a small business these days is extremely hard. It's just impossible to be able to offer the pricing and service the big guys can. I was looking at getting into web hosting once, and figured, what's the point, you got huge companies like host gator selling hosting for $5/mo and ridiculous amounts of space and bandwidth. I just can't afford to do that when a server that has only 100GB cost like 100/mo. Guessing those big companies have enough money to build their own data centres so they can deploy servers for cheaper than leasing.
 

BoberFett

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"The $400 thing you just sold me isn't working. Can I get a replacement?"

- "..."

"Hello? Anyone there?"

I've never had a problem returning anything to Amazon. I went online, filled out a form saying the product was defective, printed out a label sent it back, got a refund. Why are you talking to a person?


Perhaps not all the way to $5, but they will certainly push the limits of what the market will tolerate - as indeed any business attempts to do, within the confines created by their competitors.
If a shining new star of a competitor tries to make their way in once the price point has reached a place where it makes the cost and risk of entry worthwhile, and they grow to become enough of a pain in the ass, Amazon can always thrash them to oblivion with another round of deep discounts, and then go back to business as usual.

In which case the consumer is getting what they want. Problem not found.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
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I used to buy from Geeks regularly but that was 10 years ago. I used to still occasionally check out the site, but haven't ordered anything for at least 3-4 years.

Still, sorry to see them go. The fewer reputable resellers their are the worse for the consumer.

So you're concerned with the lack of competition, but not enough to actually support a wider variety of resellers. Sounds like the market is working they way you want it to.
 

Markbnj

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If all of the lemonade stands in town, are charging between $1 and $2 for a cup of lemonade, and I open a lemonade stand and charge $0.25 for a cup, even though it costs me $0.50, and I do that just because I can, because my parents are rich, and support my lemonade stand, is that really a fair free-market economy?

It is, yes, as long as the government is not the one subsidizing the below-cost sales. If some entity with money sees fit to let Amazon use it to sell under cost that's their business. It's pretty clear that Amazon over time has been profitable. The idea of a "loss leader" strategy used to buy market position is not a new one.

Also, over time, transportation and communications technology advances have enabled markets to benefit from economies of scale that weren't possible 30 or 40 years ago. I'm not an unabashed fan of size, and I think there will always be opportunities for new enterprises to get started, but I do believe an open market should determine the winners and losers, not ideology.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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People only care about their wallets. That's why China's cheap junk is selling so well here.

QFT...I personally go to small businesses even though online would be cheaper when I want to try things out.

I give them the first purchase.
 
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