Geforce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD PART2

[jjzelinski]

You guys are missing the point, completly. We're not bitching and moaning to hear ourselves bitch and moan, I'll speak for myself but I'm TRYING to draw attention to the matter. Yes, the hardware is flawed. Having purchased the card with the DEFECTIVE function as one of several key interest motivators, I'm a little ticked. Enough, in fact, to pursue/encourage legal action at some point.

Besides, this is a chronic issue and not one that will be resolved by rolling over and taking it up the !@#. Maybe that's your style, capitulate at the earliest opportunity but I'm not willing ot do that when faced with the prospect of shelling out MORE cash for a product that actually WORKS as advertised.

 

[housecat]

so you're seriously going to shell out more cash to get hardware accelerated WMP/MPEG support?

damn, even my athlon xp can handle those things.

how about i save you all some time, and we'll trade my 1700+ AXP (working as advertised) for your malfunctioning Geforce6s?
since they are broken, therefore they are devalued right? so they must be going for way less than expected on ebay.. so i think you should pay me, plus give me your video cards for my athlon xp.

 

[Keysplayr]

I have a solution for all nvidia 6800 owners who purchased them because they wanted the touted PVP.
This is not a flame. I repeat, this is NOT a flame.

SELL your 6800's to people who couldn't care less about PVP, use the money to get yourself a nice video editing setup (E.G. Pinnacle makes nice stuff).

Sell your cards to people who just want to game. They will be bought trust me.

You would get most of your money back and you will feel a little redeemed that Nvidia didn't screw the people you sell to because they have absolutely no need for PVP.

If you say, "Thats not the point." Then your just turning this whole thing into a personal vendetta and want to make Nvidia pay dearly.

The answer is right here. Your problem solved. Simple solution provided. Of course if you don't want to sell your 6800, then maybe you are getting something out of your cards and don't want to give them up.

I am not trying to be obnoxious here, but this answer is just staring us right in the face.

If you feel the need to start a Class action lawsuit, feel free. But I'm telling you it will be FAR less expensive to take option 2. Nvidia has Legions of high paid law firms at their disposal. The odds that they do not have clauses all over the place to cover themselves is remote.

So, I offer up this suggestion because it seems the only practical route to take.

Good Luck in whatever you do, and I hope the mods don't lock your thread again Duvie.

Keys

 

[nRollo]

What what what?!?!?!

The board realizes this topic basically ended the day the Purevideo articles were released and that these threads are pointless bitch sessions?

I am truly impressed, kudos to you all.




Although it was pretty funny in the other thread to see all the

WTH?! I tried those latest drivers and WMV still didn't work! Just like nVidia said it wouldn't! Nonetheless, I am surprised and newly angry!

posts.


As ATI doesn't seem to accelerate it either, at least for me, I guess add on devices are the only option. A person could sell their 6800GT and buy two 6600GTs in SLI for about the same money and get it also.

 

[pennhunter]

I want to thank you guys for keeping this thread going. I am building a HTPC and I'm very glad I saw the original thread. I am one of those strange people who thinks that the video processor is very important. I like the Windows High Def stuff. I know there are not a lot of videos out now but there probably will be in the future. If the people who flame about this thread would just ignore it we would be better off. It's just a thread, why don't you flamers go harass the people in the highly technical forum.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: pennhunter
I want to thank you guys for keeping this thread going. I am building a HTPC and I'm very glad I saw the original thread. I am one of those strange people who thinks that the video processor is very important. I like the Windows High Def stuff. I know there are not a lot of videos out now but there probably will be in the future. If the people who flame about this thread would just ignore it we would be better off. It's just a thread, why don't you flamers go harass the people in the highly technical forum.

Here's all the info you need to know then PennHunter:

The PVP acceleration doesn't work for WMV on the AGP 6800s/nV40(45) 6800 PCIEs.

Wow! I just summarized the whole topic in less than 15 words!

 

[pennhunter]

Yeah, I learned that from the original thread. I probably would not have known and would have purchased a 6800GT if it wasn't for that thread. That's my point. I made my point and I won't be threadcrapping in this thread anymore.........Get it Rollo..........

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: pennhunter
Yeah, I learned that from the original thread. I probably would not have known and would have purchased a 6800GT if it wasn't for that thread. That's my point. I made my point and I won't be threadcrapping in this thread anymore.........Get it Rollo..........

You showed me. :roll:

Of course, if you read any review of PureVideo at all you would have got that same info, without 1400+ flames. AT has a great Pure Video summary:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2305

Your "God Bless the thread" post is interesting, what did you actually get out of it that wasn't in Anand's article?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: pennhunter
Yeah, I learned that from the original thread. I probably would not have known and would have purchased a 6800GT if it wasn't for that thread. That's my point. I made my point and I won't be threadcrapping in this thread anymore.........Get it Rollo..........

So what did you end up buying? I hope not anything other than a 6600/6200 If video processing is important to you.

 

[Creig]

Rollo be constructive or stay out!!!!

Looks like somebody has been making friends again.

 

[Creig]

So does Nvidia have any plans to update the NV40/NV45 with the PVP functions of the NV41? Or are they going to continue to produce the defective version until they discontinue the cores?

 

[Duvie]

Actually AT's piss poor article said GTs and ULtras and then I was confused cause it said 6800NU's were not effected...yet then I found out in that thread (the first one) that AGP 6800's are also "limp wristed".....

NOt all the question were answered by AT's favorable review of Nvidia pure video with their brush under the rug....

Fact is I play wmp/mpeg2 fine it is WMV HD that I was looking for....It maxes my A64 out at 90-100% housekitty...so I dont think your xp can do much better then that....

Also it said onchip video encoder and decoder.... Where is the encoding!!!!

I didn't want the gaming card. I wante a quadro I got that...i am happy about that....I also like to encode and watch lots of videos....ATs article is the reason I bought the vanilla 6800 instead of the GT or Ultra....


Lets review for the resident moron!!!

http://www.anandtech.com/video...oc.aspx?i=2305&p=5

So anandtech is it a encoder or a decoder??? Liook at the title versus what is actually talked about....Big deal about the decoder for most DVD playback...Like it has been mentioned that has been easily done by cpus for some time...


"Remember that this only applies to the NV40 (GeForce 6800GT/Ultra AGP) and NV45 (GeForce 6800GT/Ultra PCIe), NV41 (GeForce 6800) has fully function WMV9 decode acceleration."

Huhhhh!!! This says mine should work according to AT....NIce work AT!!! GT and Ultra is clearly listed but the 6800 says nothing about PCIe or AGP....Is mine not really limpwristed and as 6800NU agp owner I will benefit from the microsoft fix (nice how they blame others, huh??)? If so then this thread is valuable for many.....

That article didn't answer crap!!!

This type of gloss over.....

"In the end, PureVideo is a positive feature for GeForce 6 owners, a verdict that we are glad we can finally give."

 

[xtknight]

Here is a complete listing of every single compatible product and each of its features. If it's not listed, it's permanently and physically broken. There is nothing more to know and no more driver updates to look forward to. http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_support.html
So, what else is there to know? As for the encoding, the whole encoder is broken on all of the GeForce hardware. I'm sorry you have a card that doesn't support its advertised features but there is nothing to do about it now, besides lawsuits. But, when you think about it, you can waste more time hiring lawyers than you can just selling it and buying what you really want. So the decoder's broken, and your CPU has to go to 90% while you're not doing anything else other than watching the video anyway. The video can run fine on your CPU and your GPU so this isn't like 3D acceleration where only your video card can put out an acceptable frame rate. I'm not a lawyer but I don't think you could sue them if your graphics card said PureVideo on the back of it. If it actually said it supported encoding and decoding then that's another story. But, as far as "PureVideo" goes, nVidia can make that feature whatever they want, and they sure did. It's not worth your time or your money to file a suit for maybe $50 out of $400 for a partially impaired feature.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Lets review for the resident moron!!!

This is exactly why your thread should be locked and you should give yourself a vacation even if the mods don't.

Even though I posted previously that I hope your thread doesn't get locked, I'm thinking twice about that now.

You getting way too emotional about this. (Yes, emotional means angry also, not just weepy).

So, lets cut to the chase.

What are your questions for the last time. When they get answered, will you let this die? I doubt it.
What are they anyway.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig
So does Nvidia have any plans to update the NV40/NV45 with the PVP functions of the NV41? Or are they going to continue to produce the defective version until they discontinue the cores?

What do you care? Will that help your 9500non pro? Your Radeon 1? Your GF256? At least I actually own one of the cards in question and have some reason to care about this?

You're pretty thoughtful Creig- you care about every aspect of functionality of cards you don't even own. :roll:

Originally posted by: Creig
Looks like somebody has been making friends again.

It's pretty obvious most people replying to this thread agree this dead horse has been beaten long past recognition.

Those who don't agree and continue to post

WTF?! It's still not working?! Is there some way to get it working?!?!"

after nVidia has posted on their website that it's not working are wasting everyone's time and ATs bandwidth.

Pissing and moaning about Anand not championing your cause is fairly pointless too- maybe he doesn't agree with you?

Mostly, again I've got to ask Creig, what does a guy with ancient old Radeon cards care about GF6s to show up in a thread about them?

 

[Duvie]

This thread has already helped me by finding ways to play DVDs with less cpu utilization....To me that was useful....

It may also be that thread that keeps us abreast of what features (that have limited functionality with current drivers now) may get BETTER....

It also can be that one stop for the information when it arrives on the class action lawsuit. I am sure it is starting.....

I dont like the brush under the rug the reviews sites gave this instead of hanging Nvidia by its (fill in the word here).....I don't like how sites are still selling them with the wording of features we all know are broken...Not everyone comes to forums like this and reads the box or the website and takes the wording to be true....Imagine the shock for them....


Moron was harsh for Rollo!! I apologize for that...however as shown he is dead wrong about the AT article being the end all....Enough said....


NO self-appointed vacations for me...maybe from the video forum, but I mainly post elsewhere anyways...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
tell me how to make use of the MPEG4 encoding feature (if there is one) (ie Xvid/DivX) too

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Now tell me how to take advantage of the MPEG2 encodng feature and I'll be a happy camper.

here is how I take advantage of the hardware MPEG2&4 encoding now The WMV HD is borked, and not a single 3rd party software dev has released a product with support for any of its promoted encoding capabilities. Hence, there is no way to know wether the PVP on nv40 is capable of any of those functions. So the entire issue can not be summarized in 15 words.

The desire of some owners to find answers to questions they should not have to ask is understandable, and certainly should not warrant hostile opposition from other owners. WTF is that all about? Furthermore, it is a clear indication that nV has failed miserably in their customer relations concerning the products in question.

The advice to simply not buy nV products anymore I am in complete agreeance with, that is the best way to voice your displeasure at this time. However, calling others whiners who are simply trying to find the necessary data to take advantage of some of the features is uncalled for and unconstructive. Duvie now has functioning DVD decoding because he started this thread to ask how to get PVP features working and others provided the info. That makes the point of his starting this thread valid, and any effort at obfuscation is counter-productive to the users helping users intent that was behind the creation of tech boards such as this :light:

 

[Duvie]

Have you bought one of those???

Thanks for the words Dapunisher!!! This was the function I was hoping for most of all. So it is not borked as we know it?? Since no one has written anything to take advantage of it we can only guess, what?? I imagine it is borked too....

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Yes sir, this plextor is awesome! $100 shipped in mint condition from fs/ft I have already used it with both my old JVC SVHS-C and new JVC DV camcorders and it fast and the IQ is difficult *for me* to distinguish from the original recording.

As to the encoding functionality of the nv40 PVP, Adobe announced premier would support it in an upcoming release so perhaps that will be the point at which we get an answer to that question? Anywho, it seems to me that at best, it was premature to include the PVP and they should have waited until they had more 3rd party support which is closer to completion before hyping the tech. Think of the PR win it would have been to just not comment on the PVP at all and let guys like Anand speculate on what that 20+ million transitors were for. Then later officially announce the tech with supporting decode and encode software support to the public. Anyone with a nv40 would be stoked just to get the DVD decode and any encode capability instead of feeling cheated because they hyped it greatly then pooched the delivery and method of that delivery

Oh well, live and learn, die and forget it all

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Have you bought one of those???

Thanks for the words Dapunisher!!! This was the function I was hoping for most of all. So it is not borked as we know it?? Since no one has written anything to take advantage of it we can only guess, what?? I imagine it is borked too....

Realistically, since only limited MPEG decoding is working using the PVP, you're just not going to see much more from those 20+million transistors going forward I'm affraid.

Almost as aggravating as this situation with the procesor itself, is the treatment of concerned users by clearly uninformed members of the community itself. These self appointed Nvidia appologists that continue to pollute every thread on the issue are matched only by Nvidias continued assurance that all is well " I wouldn't consider that broken" :roll:

The NV decoders themselves are very good however. Using the latest decoders in MCE produces excellent DVD playback using both my ATI and Nvidia cards. The 6800 does have better PQ on MPEG playback using the combination of 71.24's + NV decoders + MCE 2005 (or Nstant media)

Of course, CPU utilization is far higher than the 95% offload from the CPU Nvidia had originally claimed, and my AIW comes very close using the NV decoders in MCE 2005 itself.

Personally, I think we would all be better served by a general video playback thread to discuss the current state of PC video playback. I've had my fill of the 6800 PVP issue/flamefest myself, but would be interested in real discussion of video playback. (and of course encoding )

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
tell me how to make use of the MPEG4 encoding feature (if there is one) (ie Xvid/DivX) too

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Now tell me how to take advantage of the MPEG2 encodng feature and I'll be a happy camper.

here is how I take advantage of the hardware MPEG2&4 encoding now The WMV HD is borked, and not a single 3rd party software dev has released a product with support for any of its promoted encoding capabilities. Hence, there is no way to know wether the PVP on nv40 is capable of any of those functions. So the entire issue can not be summarized in 15 words.

The desire of some owners to find answers to questions they should not have to ask is understandable, and certainly should not warrant hostile opposition from other owners. WTF is that all about? Furthermore, it is a clear indication that nV has failed miserably in their customer relations concerning the products in question.

The advice to simply not buy nV products anymore I am in complete agreeance with, that is the best way to voice your displeasure at this time. However, calling others whiners who are simply trying to find the necessary data to take advantage of some of the features is uncalled for and unconstructive. Duvie now has functioning DVD decoding because he started this thread to ask how to get PVP features working and others provided the info. That makes the point of his starting this thread valid, and any effort at obfuscation is counter-productive to the users helping users intent that was behind the creation of tech boards such as this :light:

Willikers!

I bought a Plextor ConvertX myself about a month ago, guess instead of bemoaning the fact the WMV didn't work, you and I just did something about it DP.

Funny how that works-
We could have complained and not had the functionality, or addressed the issue and be done with it.

AFAIK, there's nothing new to report on the PVP issue, so 6800 owners are still out of luck. I'm guessing next year at this time they will be as well, no matter how often they post.

Feel free to keep posting in hope of the magic fix though Duvie- maybe God will grant you a miracle and fix them all!

 

[rbV5]

Willikers!

I bought a Plextor ConvertX myself about a month ago, guess instead of bemoaning the fact the WMV didn't work, you and I just did something about it DP.

Funny how that works-
We could have complained and not had the functionality, or addressed the issue and be done with it.

Did something about it? How is that working for WMV for ya

 

[Duvie]

See Rollo these threads would be fine if those that had nothing constructive to add and seemed to hated the foundation the thread is based on would just stay out....then these threads would not turn into flame bait and be "the reson" AT locks them....

We officially know your stance on the topic and the thread. I see no further involvement for you in this thread!!! Thank you and goodbye...


Thankls rbV5.... I wouldn't mind as stated if this thread went that direction either!!!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: rbV5
Did something about it? How is that working for WMV for ya

For those who would respond that there is very little WMV HD content anyways, I read that hundreds of titles will be available by year's end. That means for those who intended to keep an nv40 a couple of years because they don't upgrade often and/or it was a big ticket purchase for them, that their planned HTPC setup using it is crippled and they must be certain they have a fast enough CPU to handle the load. No small inconvience IMO.

 

[Duvie]

What about my system needing 75-100% (high to low) cpu usage for playback at fullscreen....seems like it takes quite the system to do that!!!

Is there some current settings you know of that can reduce that?? How is WMP 10 versus 9 in that respects???