GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[tobit]

So I wonder what Gt they were using in that review? I guess it must of been pci-x but i can't find anywhere where they mention it

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: tobit
So I wonder what Gt they were using in that review? I guess it must of been pci-x but i can't find anywhere where they mention it

Nor I, which is what I found confusing about the article. It must have been the PCIe version but they never show how it entered from the testbed. Must have been from another article and they just copy&pasted the results.

 

[asylummedia]

I've been following this thread since day one and only now have I registered...

oh well it's a sad sad day.... I just got off the phone to nvidia UK, i'm really suprised she phoned me back as from past experience the customer service has been really bad with nvidia. She found out some information from the engineers.

Anyway... this is what she said: The video processing functions will never work on the 6800, this is due to a hardware failure within the processing unit. The later cards will work fine, e.g. 6600 series, 6200 series and soon to come 6700 series.

I asked if an updated driver would enable the video processing and she explained that the fault is hardware so even a driver update would not fix the problem.

I did not ask if this affected the PCI-E versions so this is only relevant to AGP version of the 6800.... maybe it affects the PCI-E too?

Anyway does anyone else feel they have been conned not just by nvidia but by it's reseller partners? It clearly says on my box about the video capabilities.

I'll be doing an RMA on this card and swapping it for something that is usefull to me.

Kind of ironic that the lower end cards have more "working" capabilities than the king of the hill 6800

shame on you nvidia and all it's partners that couldnt be bothered testing the cards before selling it. Hoping we wouldnt notice????

fools.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: asylummedia
I've been following this thread since day one and only now have I registered...

oh well it's a sad sad day.... I just got off the phone to nvidia UK, i'm really suprised she phoned me back as from past experience the customer service has been really bad with nvidia. She found out some information from the engineers.

Anyway... this is what she said: The video processing functions will never work on the 6800, this is due to a hardware failure within the processing unit. The later cards will work fine, e.g. 6600 series, 6200 series and soon to come 6700 series.

I asked if an updated driver would enable the video processing and she explained that the fault is hardware so even a driver update would not fix the problem.

I did not ask if this affected the PCI-E versions so this is only relevant to AGP version of the 6800.... maybe it affects the PCI-E too?

Anyway does anyone else feel they have been conned not just by nvidia but by it's reseller partners? It clearly says on my box about the video capabilities.

I'll be doing an RMA on this card and swapping it for something that is usefull to me.

Kind of ironic that the lower end cards have more "working" capabilities than the king of the hill 6800

shame on you nvidia and all it's partners that couldnt be bothered testing the cards before selling it. Hoping we wouldnt notice????

fools.

If this information turns out to be accurate they need to be held accountable for it :|

 

[asylummedia]

i'm sure the resellers must have known about this issue, i think they all tried to keep it quiet... as if we wouldnt notice

Now i got a heap of junk transistors on my desk and it's very hard work to get www.microdirect.co.uk to do an RMA... and my card is a Galaxy 6800GT and they have no bases in UK

i hope someone sues nvidia.

should have added...

here is the phone number for nvidia UK.

01189 033000
The secretary is a very nice lady so go easy on her.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Class-action will make no one but the lawyers happy. The only real hope is a functioning AGP model of the GT so owners can RMA. I'm getting ever closer to just dumping this thing for the PRO VIVO.

 

[bpt8056]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: tobit
So I wonder what Gt they were using in that review? I guess it must of been pci-x but i can't find anywhere where they mention it

Nor I, which is what I found confusing about the article. It must have been the PCIe version but they never show how it entered from the testbed. Must have been from another article and they just copy&pasted the results.

The cards with the asterisk are AGP cards so the 6800GT tested in the review is the PCIe version.

 

[Chippy99]

Well the fast writes thing fixes it for me. I get around 70~75% CPU and no dropped frames. Here's me CPU usage playing the clip from beginning to end:

CPU Usage

(This is with an AMD XP 3200+ and 6800GT)

I know its not ideal, but heck its the most strenous test we can find and it works. Everything else is easier on the CPU.

I will probably get flamed for what I am about to say, but I will say it anyway.

Isn't this a bit of a storm in a tea cup? Yes we are all a bit pissed about it, but is it really any big deal? I mean, anyone who is *really* serious about video buys ATI anyway, right? Go over to www.avsforum.com or anywhere like that and no-one would ever recommend nVidia for HTPC's. We all bought out 6800's for the games, didn't we? And its superb at that.

Do I **really** care that my CPU usage when viewing a clip is 75% instead of 50% if it was working properly?

No, not really.

The other point to bear in mind is, what are the chances of nVidia bailing us all out with free 6900 upgrades? Zero.

We had better just deal with it and move on.

Chip

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: bpt8056

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: tobit
So I wonder what Gt they were using in that review? I guess it must of been pci-x but i can't find anywhere where they mention it

Nor I, which is what I found confusing about the article. It must have been the PCIe version but they never show how it entered from the testbed. Must have been from another article and they just copy&pasted the results.

The cards with the asterisk are AGP cards so the 6800GT tested in the review is the PCIe version.

I gathered as much, but don't see it listed in the testbed specs, which is my problem with its inclusion.

 

[asylummedia]

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce6_techspecs.html

and still they are advertising the video capabilities.......

 

[THUGSROOK]

i just got my eVGA 6800LE, so ill be checking this out later today.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

OK Chip, I will flame you as per request so I hope you brought some marshmellows First, show the damned clip with 5 seconds left to play with the screenshot of the frame rate by it as others have done. With just 2 posts you haven't established the credibility necessary for me to take your word for it. Particularly since others with that setup claim it dropped frames. Also which version of MP? Which settings, defaults?

Originally posted by: Chippy99 We all bought out 6800's for the games, didn't we?

no WE didn't. Read the damned thread and look at how many have indicated the PVP was a major selling point for them.

We had better just deal with it and move on.

What's with this we shat again? You are apathetic to the issue, fine. As a educated consumer of computer hardware I expect every advertised feature to be present and functioning, especially when I was basing my purchase on its presence. You do whatever you want there Chip, but your suggestion to just deal with it sucks quite frankly. It is the reason companies pull this shat in the first place, lazy, apathetic consumers that won't stand up for their rights :disgust: </flame>

 

[otispunkmeyer]

am i right in understanding its just the WMV support thats not up to scratch? i thought i saw somewhere that while the wmv did actually work, it never worked nowhere near useful. but all the other decoder thingys work jus fine yes? jus not wmv

i for one would like to see divx use nv cards to post process divx movies

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
am i right in understanding its just the WMV support thats not up to scratch? i thought i saw somewhere that while the wmv did actually work, it never worked nowhere near useful. but all the other decoder thingys work jus fine yes? jus not wmv

i for one would like to see divx use nv cards to post process divx movies

From what I have to go on, it is basically 90% borked. That means the vaunted encoding capabilities and not just the decoding are useless. There is no silver lining here if the responses by nV and the card makers here are any indication. While class-action won't help us much in all likelyhood, if successful it will hit nV and/or the manufacturers where it hurts most, the wallet.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

well jus read that xbit labs article.....seems the decoder works in divx too, judging by how much the 6600gt lowered the cpu usage

and even the delta chrome whoops 6800gt

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Chippy99
I will probably get flamed for what I am about to say, but I will say it anyway.-SNIP- Oh God, no more!

Well Chip, if you had an idea that this defeatist twaddle was indeed flame-worthy why'd you crack your pie-hole? If you're satisfied with being KNOWINGLY screwed by nVidia and their gang of butt-boys then just shut up and take it. For you to insinuate that >I< shouldn't be angry at being sold a defective product, because YOU aren't, is simply and truly revolting. What a lickspittle you are.

 

[rbV5]

Isn't this a bit of a storm in a tea cup? Yes we are all a bit pissed about it, but is it really any big deal? I mean, anyone who is *really* serious about video buys ATI anyway, right? Go over to www.avsforum.com or anywhere like that and no-one would ever recommend nVidia for HTPC's. We all bought out 6800's for the games, didn't we? And its superb at that.

Luckily, someone like you won't be speaking for the rest of us. I bought mine to drive my HTPC, which I also use for gaming and many other things.

Go ahead and go to AVSforum and look in the HTPC forum yourself. There are plenty of people using 6800 cards to drive their HTPC's, in fact I see it as being recommended over Radeon cards as superior by some of the most respected advanced members, apparently you haven't been paying attention.

Nvidia's new DVD decoders are highly reguarded as well, and are the decoders for the new TheaterTek 2.0 DVD software, again whch is highly reguarded by the HTPC community as the high standard for DVD playback.

Its kind of silly to claim that Nvidia is not a player don't you think.

Of course, whether or not Nvidia or ATI is the best choice for HTPC use, or someone serious about video, as you say, it is debatable.both offer compelling products. I like my ATI cards, so far my NV card has been a bit of a dissapoinment. IMO, a broken video processor is akin to broken AC in your new car (I think I saw where someone said that) You may not think its a big deal if you live in Seattle, until you drive down to Vegas on vacation. The car will still make it OK in the summer, you just may not enjoy it as much...you'll be thinking that the damn AC should just work.

 

[fbrdphreak]

On a somewhat related note, has anyone had troubles using the S-Video out function? I used an S-Video->RCA converter to run to a TV (through an RF modulator btw) and while I love how I can get it to play the video in question full screen on the TV while I can work with it as small as I want, there is a major problem: if I do ANYTHING, from typing in an AIM window to opening Word, the video on the TV stutters and freezes. It catches back up and plays fine, but it skips nonetheless at the slightest hickup. Could this be related to the PVP? Comments/suggestions?

 

[THUGSROOK]

ok guys, here ya go....

liquid shootout:
BFG 5900 vs. eVGA 6800LE

:beer:

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
ok guys, here ya go....

liquid shootout:
BFG 5900 vs. eVGA 6800LE

:beer:

Nice job. I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference there. Looks like the CPU (and DXVA) is doing the bulk of the work in both cases, the card itself doesn't seem to make much difference.

 

[THUGSROOK]

thx rbV5

unless there are more tests to run ~ id say this myth is BUSTED!
(it works fine)

:beer:

 

[theslug]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
ok guys, here ya go....

liquid shootout:
BFG 5900 vs. eVGA 6800LE

:beer:

what did you use to play the clip with?

 

[rbV5]

thx rbV5

unless there are more tests to run ~ id say this myth is BUSTED!
(it works fine)

Its not a myth, your tests prove that your 6800 is no better than the 5900 on your rig (actually, its worse) When you show me results where it is equal to the 6600GT, then I'll be prepared to call it a myth. It should be "far" better at decoding the 5900.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: rbV5

thx rbV5

unless there are more tests to run ~ id say this myth is BUSTED!
(it works fine)

Its not a myth, your tests prove that your 6800 is no better than the 5900 on your rig (actually, its worse) When you show me results where it is equal to the 6600GT, then I'll be prepared to call it a myth. It should be "far" better at decoding the 5900.

Precisely.

 

[BBC454]

I ran the 1080i video and my cpu runs around 85% most of the time. I bought an Athlon 64 3200 newcastle because I believed the 6800gt would decode the videos fine, otherwise I would have bought a P4. I was also looking forward to the encoding features of this card, but that was not as important. Now I regret my purchase and wish I had gone with an X800, and since I do not have enough money to buy another card I feel as though I am stuck with an overpriced/underfeatured card. Due to the deceit Nvidia has displayed, I will no longer buy, support, or recommend any Nvidia product again. I even dislike my motherboard now because it has a Nvidia chipset. Thanks Nvidia, never again!