GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[DAPUNISHER]

To be fair, while the nforce platform divison has to work with the others to an extent, they have a considerable degree of autonomy and I haven't found them to be the schmucks the graphics divison are.

 

[THUGSROOK]

well ok its not completely busted ~ but it certainly aint the 99% cpu usage i was expecting.
it works about the same as a highly OCed 5900, i dont have any problem with that.
if it gets better with driver / bios updates then all the better ~ but i dont see it a being broken, its just not fully functional.

maybe we need to use the nvDVD software it to work completly

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: BBC454
I ran the 1080i video and my cpu runs around 85% most of the time. I bought an Athlon 64 3200 newcastle because I believed the 6800gt would decode the videos fine, otherwise I would have bought a P4. I was also looking forward to the encoding features of this card, but that was not as important. Now I regret my purchase and wish I had gone with an X800, and since I do not have enough money to buy another card I feel as though I am stuck with an overpriced/underfeatured card. Due to the deceit Nvidia has displayed, I will no longer buy, support, or recommend any Nvidia product again. I even dislike my motherboard now because it has a Nvidia chipset. Thanks Nvidia, never again!

I'm right there with you, B. If nVidia would have simply accepted the fact that they got busted and not tried to insult my intelligence it wouldn't be such a taint on the brand-name. How am I NOT supposed to wonder if the nForce 4 Ultra mb I was all giggly about buying has yet another listed though non-functional feature(s)? This sad state of affairs not only takes the blush off what I thought was an aces purchase, but it also casts doubt on the reviews I read about the card prior. How can that be good for the industry OR the hobby?

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Class-action will make no one but the lawyers happy. The only real hope is a functioning AGP model of the GT so owners can RMA. I'm getting ever closer to just dumping this thing for the PRO VIVO.

I sold mine. The card will no longer be in my case next week. Without working PVP, 6800GT/Ultra are nothing more than fast gaming cards.

This was actually good in a way. I think I'm going to withdraw myself from the computer arms race and start focusing my time and money on different toys and hobbies. I just started riding my bike again after having it two years in storage. Honda CBR600 F4. I installed a new battery and changed oil and filter and cranked it. Started up without any problem after sitting idle for 2 years. That's Honda motor for you!

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
well ok its not completely busted ~ but it certainly aint the 99% cpu usage i was expecting.
it works about the same as a highly OCed 5900, i dont have any problem with that.
if it gets better with driver / bios updates then all the better ~ but i dont see it a being broken, its just not fully functional.

maybe we need to use the nvDVD software it to work completly

Thats why the issue is taking so long to develop. Obviously your PC is not you average setup. The fact is that your CPU hides the fact that it is not working, it simply isn't working at all for WMV decoding. I'm betting that any card that supports DX8.1 would givce you nearly the same results. Since alot of folks buying 6800 class cards have powerful rig, and limit their videos to watching low res prOn, it gives the false impression that it is working.

 

[Renob]

Here is a my post from 10/08/24 in this thread.

"Just watched some HiDef stuff and my proc never went above 69%

Just got my 6800GT yesterday, and I must say that based only on game play this is by far the BEST upgrade I have ever done. I went from a 9800pro R360core flashed to an XT

That being said if it does not work on my card how will it effect me and video play back?

It was smooth as silk "

System
6800GT
Mobile Barton 2600@3400
512 ram
NF7 mobo


I still dont under stand if mine is working or not?? it was smooth as silk. now that being said even If I have no need for it to be working I still dont like the fact that Nvidia is using it as a selling point.

Chippy99 Do you work for NV?

 

[yhelothar]

I got my 6800
I played the liquid WMV. It runs choppy on my 6800, and the CPU utilization was 95%
On my former 5900, it ran smoothly, but I didn't check the CPU utilization.

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Class-action will make no one but the lawyers happy. The only real hope is a functioning AGP model of the GT so owners can RMA. I'm getting ever closer to just dumping this thing for the PRO VIVO.

I'm with you, punisher. :thumbsup:

To anyone reading this: I'll trade my PNY 6800 GT for any 16 pipe x800 card, GT is overclocked to 410/1120 without artifacts in anything I have tested thus far.

 

[Chippy99]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
OK Chip, I will flame you as per request so I hope you brought some marshmellows First, show the damned clip with 5 seconds left to play with the screenshot of the frame rate by it as others have done.

Fair enough. I didn't post a screenshot with media player because I don't think the video overlay comes through with screen gabs, does it? So I didn't see the point. Anyway, I will do it now... wait a minute.

OK, here you go:

2 screen shots, 1 around 5 seconds from the end, and when it had finished, that I bought up the statistics screen for you.

5 seconds

Statistics

EDIT: Here's a third screenshot. I didn't realise you could have the stats on screen whilst the movie is playing:

Statistics

To anyone who I have offended, please do accept my apologies. I know a whole load of you are really pissed with this problem. If anyone has genuinely made a purchase decision based upon a capability that is not there, I can see you have real grounds to be pissed.

I just wonder how important it is to everyone. Hell, I watch DVD's on a Panasonic plasma with 848x480 resolution! I don't even *have* a HD TV to worry about.

Peace everyone.

Chip

EDIT: Sorry forgot to add, this was with Windows Media Player 9.0. I have tried Nero ShowTime, Divx Player and something else. All seemed about the same on the CPU.

The BIG difference for me is Fast Writes. With Fast Writes off, I get 100% CPU and dropped frames.

 

[Squally Leonharty]

Nice job. There's one more thing we need to be sure about. I hope it's not too much, but could you try it again and watch the temperatures of your GPU? Like, check the temperatures before playing, while playing and twice after playing (first right after it stopped and second a few minutes later).

If it goes something like this:

low - high - high - low (measured in degrees C)

then we are conviced PVP works on your GPU.

Edit: Oh yeah, before anyone tells me I should test it too: don't worry, I will test it as well, but the Leadtek 6800 Ultra card hasn't arrived yet. So I gotta wait. ;_;

 

[Chippy99]

Please don't misunderstand me - I do not think that video acceleration is working on my GPU. Merely that enabling fast writes (somehow) enables your CPU to deal with it better. If you remember that fast writes is supposed to enable your CPU to write directly to the graphics card memory - instead of writing to system ram first, and then copying it across - you can see why this would significantly reduce the CPU's work and enable you to get smooth playback.

I will test the GPU temps for you though. I'll do it later.

OK tried it. Didn't seem to register much temperature change. According to your instructions, the temps went

52 - 53 - 53 - 52

Stayed at 53 thoughout the clip. I am pretty sure the video card isn't doing much.

My other piece of evidence is that although my CPU is down to 75% or so, its obviously still working far too hard. I don't have to do much to my PC whilst the clip is playing and I can hit 100% CPU and drop frames :-( Seems I can only get smooth playback if I don't actually do anything else on the PC!

Chip

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Class-action will make no one but the lawyers happy. The only real hope is a functioning AGP model of the GT so owners can RMA. I'm getting ever closer to just dumping this thing for the PRO VIVO.

I sold mine. The card will no longer be in my case next week. Without working PVP, 6800GT/Ultra are nothing more than fast gaming cards.

This was actually good in a way. I think I'm going to withdraw myself from the computer arms race and start focusing my time and money on different toys and hobbies. I just started riding my bike again after having it two years in storage. Honda CBR600 F4. I installed a new battery and changed oil and filter and cranked it. Started up without any problem after sitting idle for 2 years. That's Honda motor for you!

Dude! That is exactly what I said a couple weeks ago Bought a new high performance longboard and bag, and I'm going to dump some cash on a new MTB soon. BTW, I had EDIT: CBR1000f '88 and '89 CBR600F Hurricanes. Ended up selling the 600 to my bro, and had a 68yr old lady pull out in front of me on the 1000. I T-Boned her rear quarter panel@ about 45mph, had just enough time to grab the brakes which caused nose dive and me to come up on the pegs obviously and the result was I supermaned clear of the wreck flew a good 35-40ft, hit hands out stretched on my gloves, rolled out and ended up on my feet with just a broken carpal in my right hand. Totaled the front end of the bike, radiator, ect. and the Mrs. hasn't let me ride since

 

[DAPUNISHER]

No worries Chip and thanks for posting the screenies. I'm surprised it ran like that on a XP3200+ but one other member posted results like that with a similar system using a 9800Pro so whatever you guys have different than most others with that AMD CPU speed it is a good thing :beer: For myself, on several different systems, 2.3ghz was the sweetspot for flawless playback with the GT. Anything less and 2 frames or more would be dropped.

Anywho, I have nvDVD 2.0 so I'm off to give it a go per Thugs suggestion to see if like other players it can handle it flawlessly with my system downclocked.

 

[lifter]

hi,

i am from germany and i have a geforce 6800 ultra coolfx from gainward since 2 or 3 month.
i wrote a letter to gainward. the answer:

"ask nvidia."

nothing more. typical customer support!

i ask nvidia germany. the answer:

"blablabla ask gainward."

ok. i phoned my reseller ( do not tell who that is, perhaps reads gainward also ) and told him the problem. the answer:

please send the card back to us.


i will wait 2more weeks.... but if nothin happen with this problem:

RMA


c.u

 

[Squally Leonharty]

Originally posted by: Chippy99
Please don't misunderstand me - I do not think that video acceleration is working on my GPU. Merely that enabling fast writes (somehow) enables your CPU to deal with it better. If you remember that fast writes is supposed to enable your CPU to write directly to the graphics card memory - instead of writing to system ram first, and then copying it across - you can see why this would significantly reduce the CPU's work and enable you to get smooth playback.

I will test the GPU temps for you though. I'll do it later.

OK tried it. Didn't seem to register much temperature change. According to your instructions, the temps went

52 - 53 - 53 - 52

Stayed at 53 thoughout the clip. I am pretty sure the video card isn't doing much.

My other piece of evidence is that although my CPU is down to 75% or so, its obviously still working far too hard. I don't have to do much to my PC whilst the clip is playing and I can hit 100% CPU and drop frames :-( Seems I can only get smooth playback if I don't actually do anything else on the PC!

Chip

Okay, thanks. Sorry for the misunderstanding, but at least that's clear now. I'll try disabling and enabling FastWrite when I get my graphics card. Who knows. At least we've got some kind of workaround to the PVP problem.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Squally Leonharty

Originally posted by: Chippy99
Please don't misunderstand me - I do not think that video acceleration is working on my GPU. Merely that enabling fast writes (somehow) enables your CPU to deal with it better. If you remember that fast writes is supposed to enable your CPU to write directly to the graphics card memory - instead of writing to system ram first, and then copying it across - you can see why this would significantly reduce the CPU's work and enable you to get smooth playback.

I will test the GPU temps for you though. I'll do it later.

OK tried it. Didn't seem to register much temperature change. According to your instructions, the temps went

52 - 53 - 53 - 52

Stayed at 53 thoughout the clip. I am pretty sure the video card isn't doing much.

My other piece of evidence is that although my CPU is down to 75% or so, its obviously still working far too hard. I don't have to do much to my PC whilst the clip is playing and I can hit 100% CPU and drop frames :-( Seems I can only get smooth playback if I don't actually do anything else on the PC!

Chip

Okay, thanks. Sorry for the misunderstanding, but at least that's clear now. I'll try disabling and enabling FastWrite when I get my graphics card. Who knows. At least we've got some kind of workaround to the PVP problem.

Enabling fastwrites is not a workaround anymore than buying an intel rig with HT is a workaround, or getting a 3GHz class CPU. The PVP is supposed to relieve you of brute force CPU decoding.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Well, I didn't learn anything we didn't already know. I set my system to it's default A643000+ 400DDR and dropped 10 frames starting when King Kelly talks to a few seconds after that with the pops and skips that accompany the missed frames. I then played it with both MSI PowerDVD 5.1 and NVDVD 2.0 and both played it flawlessly. CPU utilization for MP10 and PowerDVD were basically identical, but NVDVD did lower that an average of maybe 5-7% it was the only time it dipped under 75% going as low as 66% in the middle of the clip. I'd like to try the new nvDVD decoder that was linked on the last page to see if it can make the PVP work *highly doubt that* but I certainly am not paying for it.

 

[Benedikt]

I'll tell you what:
We have 2 possibilities how Nvidia will react on this whole problem:

First: We'll hear nothing from Nvidia. The "official" 6800 product advertisements on their homepage as well as the "half-official" ads from the different hardware vendors will disappear. The "PureVideo" technology will be officially announced for the 6600 and 6200 product line. Newer drivers will enable the VP for the 6600 and 6200 product line, and maybe (if we're lucky) partly support for the 6800.
6800 refreshes will introduce the full VP "the way it's meant to be played".

Second: If there's enough negative feedback from highend-customers (I doubt that, because the largest volume are budget cards) NV maybe will react and push out some kind of an official apologize in combination with a new driver, but nothing more. Newer drivers will enable the VP for the 6600 and 6200 product line, and maybe (if we're lucky) partly support for the 6800. In a half year (or maybe a year) nobody will talk about the 6800 VP problem any more, because everyone is busily buying PCIe sytems and switching to PEG-based video cards. All the 6800 early adopters are pissed and nobody at NV will care.

By the way, for all of you who are "now once and for all" switching to ATI: Where's the promised pixel-shader supported video encoding and decoding functionality? Because IIRC ATI quickly advertised PS-based video acceleration support for their x800 product line after NV announced the video processor...

Greetings,
B. W.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Benedikt, The PVP already works on the nv43&45. The very low CPU utilization is what conclusively demonstrated it is broke on many, if not all, nv40 based cards.

BTW, the 800XT is averaging 47-53% on a 3400+ 2.2ghz system, not bad at all for something they didn't shout from the rooftops like nV did

 

[Chippy99]

Originally posted by: Benedikt
I'll tell you what:
We have 2 possibilities how Nvidia will react on this whole problem:

First: We'll hear nothing from Nvidia. The "official" 6800 product advertisements on their homepage as well as the "half-official" ads from the different hardware vendors will disappear. The "PureVideo" technology will be officially announced for the 6600 and 6200 product line. Newer drivers will enable the VP for the 6600 and 6200 product line, and maybe (if we're lucky) partly support for the 6800.
6800 refreshes will introduce the full VP "the way it's meant to be played".

Second: If there's enough negative feedback from highend-customers (I doubt that, because the largest volume are budget cards) NV maybe will react and push out some kind of an official apologize in combination with a new driver, but nothing more. Newer drivers will enable the VP for the 6600 and 6200 product line, and maybe (if we're lucky) partly support for the 6800. In a half year (or maybe a year) nobody will talk about the 6800 VP problem any more, because everyone is busily buying PCIe sytems and switching to PEG-based video cards. All the 6800 early adopters are pissed and nobody at NV will care.

Benedikt, I think your analysis is bang on the money. I would say the most likely outcome is scenario 2, only minus the apology. I suspect nvidia will say nothing about this publicly and hope that marketing hype about newer cards will drown out any "noise" about this embarrassing little video problem.

Chip

 

[GDT]

First two sorrys!

Sorry for going OT but you are talking wma
sorry for asking a stupid/silly question but i cant solve it

Where the hell is the wma option in the ati ccc?
I cant find it anywhere

driver versions
CATALYST? Control Center Version 1.0.1733.17262
CATALYST? Version 04.10

cheers

 

[Benedikt]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Benedikt, The PVP already works on the nv43&45. The very low CPU utilization is what conclusively demonstrated it is broke on many, if not all, nv40 based cards.

BTW, the 800XT is averaging 47-53% on a 3400+ 2.2ghz system, not bad at all for something they didn't shout from the rooftops like nV did

Says who? Are you referring to the Xbitlabs-test? I'm very care- and doubtful with that.
Does anybody yet own a 6600 or 6200 with PCI-express who could prove this?

MFG,
B. W.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Benedikt

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Benedikt, The PVP already works on the nv43&45. The very low CPU utilization is what conclusively demonstrated it is broke on many, if not all, nv40 based cards.

BTW, the 800XT is averaging 47-53% on a 3400+ 2.2ghz system, not bad at all for something they didn't shout from the rooftops like nV did

Says who? Are you referring to the Xbitlabs-test? I'm very care- and doubtful with that.
Does anybody yet own a 6600 or 6200 with PCI-express who could prove this?

MFG,
B. W.

Hexus shows it works with the 6600GT too. It is also possible that both sites recieved different versions of the 6800GT PCIe which would explain why one was borked and the other not, as the one that worked may have the newer PVP on it. I agree some actual user feedback of these products is in order as well, but see no reason to doubt the results with the 6600GT since both sites show it works. You may remain skeptical, that is your perogative, but I see enough evidence to point to it working and also maintain that the 6800GT that worked has the revamped PVP on it. I just don't think they borked the benchies that badly or lied about it as you seem to.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Official response from NVIDIA.

"The GeForce 6800 models featured the 1st generation of PureVideo
technology which included support for MPEG2 h/w acceleration. While the
initial design goal was to also accelerate other video formats such as
WMV, testing showed that the 1st generation implementation still relied
on the CPU to assist with some of the processing.

As newer GPUs were introduced (GeForce 6600 models), NVIDIA was able to
implement additional enhancements to it's PureVideo technology to add
support for h/w acceleration of other video formats such as WMV."

Thanks again and if you have any other questions please email us back or
call or live support at 8662343499

Mike G
BFG email

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Yep, I recieved the same response as did others who posted that here. Sounds like an outright admission to false advertising since they advertised those "design goals" as features that were on the cards we bought. I recall no disclaimers about first generation parts being less feature rich or not supporting the capabilities advertised from the outset.