GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[bpt8056]

The Inquirer has posted this issue on their site link. We need to get more media sites involved.

 

[Benedikt]

It seems to be official that the VP is broken and can't be fixed by new driver releases. Most of the functions which differ the VP from previous implementations are't working.
Source (sorry guys, in German, you've got to use Babelfish): Computerbase article
So, it's the worst kind of customer disinformation I've ever seen and can only be called propaganda. This is definitely NOT the right way you treat your customers as an IHV!

Greetings,
B. W.

 

[newone]

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[yezhou]

Originally posted by: Benedikt
It seems to be official that the VP is broken and can't be fixed by new driver releases. Most of the functions which differ the VP from previous implementations are't working.
Source (sorry guys, in German, you've got to use Babelfish): Computerbase article
So, it's the worst kind of customer disinformation I've ever seen and can only be called propaganda. This is definitely NOT the right way you treat your customers as an IHV!

Greetings,
B. W.

Damn that's messed up....:|

 

[Algere]

Originally posted by: bpt8056
The Inquirer has posted this issue on their site link. We need to get more media sites involved.

The response:



"Hey Fudo,

In answer to your story on 6800 having no video.

The GeForce 6800 models featured the 1st generation of our programmable video technology which includes support for high-definition MPEG2 video decode and standard definition MPEG2 encode, as well as advanced post processing features such as motion adaptive deinterlacing, and inverse 3:2 pulldown.

The GeForce 6600 models have the same 1st generation programmable video technology support as the GeForce 6800 models. However, the GeForce 6600 models also include hardware acceleration for high-definition Windows Media Video (WMV) decode.

In order to utilize the programmable decode and advanced post processing features of the GeForce 6800 and 6600, end users need to download an updated ForceWare driver as well as the NVIDIA DVD decoder.

The ForceWare driver will be available shortly on the NVIDIA.com and the NVIDIA's DVD decoder is already available for download from NVIDIA.com. For Windows Media Video decode on the GeForce 6600 models, end users will also need to download an update to Windows Media Player from Microsoft.

NVIDIA is also working with application vendors to take advantage of the programmable encode features of the GeForce 6800 and 6600. This feature just like programmable pixel shaders when they were first introduced, requires additional collaboration with application vendors. The first application that NVIDIA is targeting to support it's GPU encode capabilities is Windows Media Center Edition 2005.? Adam"

Nvidia PR manager Europe

 

[gsellis]

I just sent a note to Fuad that the big lie is that nVidia has said it also did WMV since day one. Jeez.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Algere

Originally posted by: bpt8056
The Inquirer has posted this issue on their site link. We need to get more media sites involved.

The response:




The GeForce 6600 models have the same 1st generation programmable video technology support as the GeForce 6800 models. However, the GeForce 6600 models also include hardware acceleration for high-definition Windows Media Video (WMV) decode.

There you have it, No WMV HD support on the 6800 series At least not the AGP version, so how the hell did Baumann get it to work?

I'm disgusted at the Inq stating "So you will get your drivers and everything will work, you'll be relieved to hear" No, I'm not relieved to hear! These guys simply do not understand the issue that we are angry over :disgust: Our cards do not support hardware acceleration of WMV HD as does the 6600 series by nV's own admission. That just leaves the question of wether their promotional material about the PVP that has been plastered everywhere for the last 4 months or so contains wording that gives them an "out"? Did they include wording that implies or states that all the decode features of the PVP might not be supported on a particular product line? I just can't see how the lack of support on the "first gen" doesn't make the original promotional material false advertising without some sort of disclaimer having been included?

 

[James3shin]

has anyone tried the drivers that Inq linked?

supposed driver link

sorry that link just shows a comparison of the new drivers that enables the video encode/decode feature and the results are pretty darn nice.

 

[karlreading]

look guys, knock nvidia / your card vendor all you want, BUT DONT knock the Inquirer.
At least they've chased the story up for us and got some information.
yes its pants that a low end market segment product has functionality that high end cards dont, yes nvidia didnt deliver ( except on the 3d side of things ), but all the inquirers done is try to get us some answers, and semi suceeded.
But, hey, thats what us brits do
karlos

 

[aonic]

why dont we just try the 65.76 drivers? they are on guru3d

 

[Chudilo]

I just hope noone comes up with the idea of decoding CineMotion copy protection within that Video processor. but I guess if they do .. someone will come up with OPEN source Nvidia Drivers !! Muah ha ha ha ... That's exactly why PC architecture is superior to everything else.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Actually Karl the Inq hasn't really added anything new of any significance, and saying everything will work is completely false, WMV HD decoding will still be missing from my BFG 6800GT OC even after driver updates and shelling out another $20 for their DVD decoder. I give them credit where it is due for their actually pursuing this instead of ignoring it :beer: but "everything" will not work and how he could write that up and still provide misinformation suggests that either he didn't actually read it or he has no clue what we are on about

Originally posted by: aonic
why dont we just try the 65.76 drivers? they are on guru3d

Read the thread, did you really think we would overlook such an obvious solution? :roll:

 

[Deskstar]

I just ran the Step Into Liquid (720p version). My CPU stayed at 65% approx throughout and my GPU temp climbed only 1 degree. I am running driver 66.81 and updated BIOS for the 6800GT (rev 2). It seems fine on my card (eVGA). Perhaps those who are having problems need the latest drivers or a BIOS upgrade on their cards. There are multiple reports of buggy BIOSs on those early 6800 series cards. So, a BIOS flash may fix the issue.

 

[theslug]

Originally posted by: Deskstar
I just ran the Step Into Liquid (720p version). My CPU stayed at 65% approx throughout and my GPU temp climbed only 1 degree. I am running driver 66.81 and updated BIOS for the 6800GT (rev 2). It seems fine on my card (eVGA). Perhaps those who are having problems need the latest drivers or a BIOS upgrade on their cards. There are multiple reports of buggy BIOSs on those early 6800 series cards. So, a BIOS flash may fix the issue.

We're running the 1080p version though. That's the one with the dropped frames and choppy audio.

 

[aonic]

Originally posted by: aonic
why dont we just try the 65.76 drivers? they are on guru3d

Read the thread, did you really think we would overlook such an obvious solution? :roll:[/quote]


I did read the ENTIRE thread last week.
according to the review on xBITLABS the 65.76 drivers fixed the issue?

 

[gururu]

maybe already posted, maybe not.
6800 broken

whatever it is, it is embarassing for nVidia.

 

[aonic]

this is really ghey
ya you guys were right and xbitslab maybe lied?
i just tryed the 65.76 drivers and same problem

and wtf? even tho we spent $300+ on a defective product from nvidia we have to buy the DVD Decorder?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: gururu
maybe already posted, maybe not.
6800 broken

whatever it is, it is embarassing for nVidia.

This is even more confusing now! So B3D and Xbit could not have had a working 6800GT in any flavor according to this? I can't even make heads or tails of this

At present, even NV43-based cards can't make use of the advanced encode/decode capabilities of the video processor, because NVIDIA hasn't supplied the world with a working driver for it yet.

Then how the hell are sites showing it working? I presume they must be referring only to official drivers and not the alphas and betas floating around. This whole mess bloody reeks! :|

 

[Atif]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
This is even more confusing now! So B3D and Xbit could not have had a working 6800GT in any flavor according to this? I can't even make heads or tails of this

I noticed something strange about XBit Labs' tests. When they refer to any scores using the 65.76 driver, they (at least from what I surmise) are NOT using an Athlon 64 platform. They are using an Intel (HyperThreading) platform. Perhaps this 65.76 driver optimizes performance when used in tandem with HT?

I don't know, but something just seems odd to me that they (having all this hardware at their disposal) didn't test the 6800GT on the Athlon 64 platform as well using both the 61.77 drivers and 65.76 drivers. This way, we could all see if the drivers do offload the decoding work to the videocard or keep it on the CPU.

Of course my whole theory/hypothesis is just a shot in the dark, because I'm also surprised by the way this whole situation has turned out. I WILL be calling nVidia tomorrow to see what in the name of the Curse of the Bambino is going on in the world in these days.

Peace

 

[bpt8056]

CoolHand over at the Nvnews forum posted this:



Just received an answer from Vader @ xbit:

We used PCI Express version of GeForce 6800 GT.
There is a rumor, that VPUs used in AGP versions of
GeForce 6800 Ultra and GT have a hardware flaw, that
makes NVIDIA Video Processor inoperable.

I checked my GeForce 6800 Ultra, and i was unable to
get video acceleration working neither on ForceWare 65.76 nor
ForceWare 66.81. Perhaps, VP on these cards is really disabled.

 

[egoadk]

does it mean movies including dvd and divx movies are relying on Processor instead of VPU?

So software playback instead of hardware playback for all movies?

this is sad to hear.

 

[Atif]

bpt8056, thanks for posting that, it is looking VERY bleak right now for 6800 AGP card owners

Peace

 

[theslug]

So basically Nvidia has distributed a defective product, published false advertising, failed to inform the public of said defect, and failed to offer any sort of compensation or recall. They realize the moment they make an official admittance of the defect, that they will be flooded with complaints or requests for replacements. They hope by stalling further (by saying that a driver is on its way), that this whole thing will blow over because eventually they will have newer, working cards, and no one will care about the 6800 anymore.

I say we don't allow that to happen.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: theslug
So basically Nvidia has distributed a defective product, published false advertising, failed to inform the public of said defect, and failed to offer any sort of compensation or recall. They realize the moment they make an official admittance of the defect, that they will be flooded with complaints or requests for replacements. They hope by stalling further (by saying that a driver is on its way), that this whole thing will blow over because eventually they will have newer, working cards, and no one will care about the 6800 anymore.

I say we don't allow that to happen.

Dead on. This is exactly what the plan appears to be.

 

[gururu]

does the box on 6800-based products claim hardware-based decoding? if it does, then its going to be a long hard road. if they don't, then there is not much to do about it. i think nowadays, cpus are so fast that gpu video isn't really necessary, so aside from principle, I don't see such a big deal. I think it is a poor reflection on nVidia. My gut tells me that there must be a fix, even though sites are claiming hardware or silicin defect. We'll have to hear from them. Maybe they'll offer some free video decoder cards.