GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
I can't believe that nV is claiming that this flaw "doesn't effect performance." Depending on why you bought the card it OBVIOUSLY does. nV would have been much better off if they had simply owned up and taken their lumps right when this broke. I agree with your sentiments entirely Harbinger, except for one thing. Some of the posters here have made it plain that they don't care if they, AND the rest of us, got played by nV.

The actual comment wasn't from nV

A worker of a large NVIDIA distributing company told the press the problem was small and unfortunate, but did not effect the performance of the card.

They should have added gaming to performance.

They have a statement from "a spokesperson at NVIDIA UK" but follow with "So far there has been no official word from NVIDIA" Then wtf is nVidia UK?!?

And I have HardWarrior's back on the following topic

Originally posted by: gururu

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
I agree with your sentiments entirely Harbinger, except for one thing. Some of the posters here have made it plain that they don't care if they, AND the rest of us, got played by nV.

how can you say that? the majority of the posters including myself want to see this resolved so that all 6800 owners are satisfied. If you guys want to do some sort of official protest, i'll be the first in line and I don't even have a 6800 card.

"Majority" yes, but those who have dissented have been very vocal about it. While that is the norm here, I am surprised it is in regards to a seemingly defective product. I say seemingly because there is still conflicting information as to wether it is a hardware flaw or not. Perhaps it will function with new drivers along with the DVD decoder software, and patch for MP10 as some sources claim?

 

[imported_Harbinger]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

"Majority" yes, but those who have dissented have been very vocal about it. While that is the norm here, I am surprised it is in regards to a seemingly defective product. I say seemingly because there is still conflicting information as to wether it is a hardware flaw or not. Perhaps it will function with new drivers along with the DVD decoder software, and patch for MP10 as some sources claim?

I dont think its a software flaw anymore. If it was I am sure nV would do new drivers etc to enable it.
When a chip-maker incorporates a new technology should be ready to release it with drivers to enable/support it. Ok , sure I can wait 2 months for new official whql drivers (61.x -> 66.x) but if nVidia
intended to enable it with its new drivers 66.x should do the work since these drivers are optimized for nv40 gpus.

 

[carage]

I've tested my BFG 6800GT.
CPU utilization is about 60% when playing 1080p WMV HD content.
I've also installed the nVidia DVD Decoder (it is NOT the same as the NVDVD that comes with your cards)
, I did not see any performance gain regarding WMV HD playback. I guess the function only works for MPEG-2/DVD Video now, which probably isn't a really big deal nowadays.

 

[HardWarrior]

I grant that DA, but it would be a lot easier for me to attempt to make distinctions about what information was coming from where if nV would just step up and make a definitive statement about this mess. With BFG support reading nV talking points and the general story changing daily I frankly don't know who's saying what ATM. I suspect this is just the way nV wants it and for as long as possible.

 

[imported_Harbinger]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
I grant that DA, but it would be a lot easier for me to attempt to make distinctions about what information was coming from where if nV would just step up and make a definitive statement about this mess. With BFG support reading nV talking points and the general story changing daily I frankly don't know who's saying what ATM. I suspect this is just the way nV wants it and for as long as possible.

Of course nV wants it this way. If nothing happens in the next few weeks or months the whole subject will be totally forgotten. And nv40 will still be the flawless great gpu we believed some months ago.( I still believe that nv40 is a great gpu by all means but not flawless or perfect the way probably nV indented to be.)

 

[TheGeek]

My CPU utilization is between 70-80%. I am currently usind driver version 61.77 b/c my pc loads up with the BSOD with any other ones

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Harbinger

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

"Majority" yes, but those who have dissented have been very vocal about it. While that is the norm here, I am surprised it is in regards to a seemingly defective product. I say seemingly because there is still conflicting information as to wether it is a hardware flaw or not. Perhaps it will function with new drivers along with the DVD decoder software, and patch for MP10 as some sources claim?

I dont think its a software flaw anymore. If it was I am sure nV would do new drivers etc to enable it.
When a chip-maker incorporates a new technology should be ready to release it with drivers to enable/support it. Ok , sure I can wait 2 months for new official whql drivers (61.x -> 66.x) but if nVidia
intended to enable it with its new drivers 66.x should do the work since these drivers are optimized for nv40 gpus.

That's nice that you don't think so Harbinger, but unless you're an engineer at nVidia your opinion doesn't mean much to me.

It says on nVidia's site the 6800 accelerates WMV9. I just played that Step Into Liquid larger version, and got 76-77% cpu usage with my GT.

What if it would have been 86-87% on my 5800U? Job done?

What if updated drivers/decoder/MP10 knock it down to 66-67% Job done?

Too many variables here that I don't think we're going to be able to speculate about. I'll wait for final word from nVidia and subsequent corroboration by review sites before squeeling about a feature this peripheral to my existence.

I paid $400 for my GT and pretty much doubt it would have cost any less w/o any video acceleration, no matter what Harbinger says. These are gaming cards, not AIWs, and they would have cost $300/$400/$500 no matter what, because that's the price points they compete at.

You guys are getting way too bent out of shape on this prematurely.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Harbinger
Of course nV wants it this way. If nothing happens in the next few weeks or months the whole subject will be totally forgotten. And nv40 will still be the flawless great gpu we believed some months ago.( I still believe that nv40 is a great gpu by all means but not flawless or perfect the way probably nV indented to be.)

You say "of course" as if this level of deception is the natural way of things. That doesn't have to be. Let's not forget that, fanboy assertions aside, nV just came off a bad product cycle. Given that fact and the stiff competition from ATI, why would they take a chance on damaging themselves? Forgotten? Maybe by some, but not me. That shiny nForce 3-4 chipset I was thinking about buying for Xmas isn't so shiny any more.

P.S. It's your choice to continue or not, but you're wasting your time trying to engage Rollo on this issue. His raison d'etre is self-aggrandizement at the expense of whoever stands still for it.

"You guys are getting way too bent out of shape on this prematurely."

As if it?s HIS job to tell me/you how to approach this situation and with what degree of emotional intent. I hope you understand what I was saying now.

 

[imported_Harbinger]

@Rollo. I never told any1 here to embrace my opinion. This is a conversation. I am posting PERSONAL opinions. Never claimed to be engineer (at least for nvidia), never claimed to be correct. I am just posting some personal thoughts on the matter. So please chill a bit, it doesnt hurt.

Oh, and by the way, Striker Windows Media Player 10 (microsoft hd wmv site) 1080p version gives me 100% cpu utilization and 720p version gives me 85-90%. Oh, not to forget my gpu temp (they only way I can tell its been stressed or something), temp rised from 50.5C to 51.350C. I dont think you can call this "stress".

Check my sig for my rig, 6800gt, bios version 5.40.02.15.01, Forceware 66.81, Windows XP pro sp2.
So no, I am not happy with totally 100%, especially with a powerful pc like this. 60-70 % would be totally acceptable if we suppose that other gpus (for example x800 series) had 100%. Then yes, that would be a working (not perfect but indeed working) video processor. So please feel free to prove me that the video processor on my video card is even partially working or help me work this out so I can drop the load to 77% you claim. I'd love you to try the very same video and post your cpu utilization. If you get 77% that simply means you have a working processor and I dont.

@HardWarrior. I dont disagree with what you said. But lets face the most possible scenario in this case. nVidia is of course aware of the problem. From the bottom of my heart I wish they can software fix it with drivers, codecs or whatever. But if its a hardware problem whats the possibilities they will take responsibility and compensate the end users? I wish tomorrow nVidia will make a nice big announcement that will exchange faulty nv40 graphics card for good ones but I really dont find this will ever happen. not even giving voucher. not even a t-shirt. You got the point

P.S. I am neither nV or ATi fanboy. I am Nintendo fanboy but as far as I know Nintndo doesnt produce graphics cards

 

[carage]

Originally posted by: Harbinger
@Rollo. I never told any1 here to embrace my opinion. This is a conversation. I am posting PERSONAL opinions. Never claimed to be engineer (at least for nvidia), never claimed to be correct. I am just posting some personal thoughts on the matter. So please chill a bit, it doesnt hurt.

Oh, and by the way, Striker Windows Media Player 10 (microsoft hd wmv site) 1080p version gives me 100% cpu utilization and 720p version gives me 85-90%. Oh, not to forget my gpu temp (they only way I can tell its been stressed or something), temp rised from 50.5C to 51.350C. I dont think you can call this "stress".

Check my sig for my rig, 6800gt, bios version 5.40.02.15.01, Forceware 66.81, Windows XP pro sp2.
So no, I am not happy with totally 100%, especially with a powerful pc like this. 60-70 % would be totally acceptable if we suppose that other gpus (for example x800 series) had 100%. Then yes, that would be a working (not perfect but indeed working) video processor. So please feel free to prove me that the video processor on my video card is even partially working or help me work this out so I can drop the load to 77% you claim. I'd love you to try the very same video and post your cpu utilization. If you get 77% that simply means you have a working processor and I dont.

@HardWarrior. I dont disagree with what you said. But lets face the most possible scenario in this case. nVidia is of course aware of the problem. From the bottom of my heart I wish they can software fix it with drivers, codecs or whatever. But if its a hardware problem whats the possibilities they will take responsibility and compensate the end users? I wish tomorrow nVidia will make a nice big announcement that will exchange faulty nv40 graphics card for good ones but I really dont find this will ever happen. not even giving voucher. not even a t-shirt. You got the point

P.S. I am neither nV or ATi fanboy. I am Nintendo fanboy but as far as I know Nintndo doesnt produce graphics cards

I've just tested the striker 1080p video with my BFG 6800 GT I got yesterday.
CPU utilization fluctuates between 48% to 82%, with the average probably around 65%.

 

[imported_Harbinger]

Thats most interesting. It looks like you do have a working video processor. Can you post temp rise in gpu during playback ? I really wanna see if gpu is stressed and how much. Also how about drivers and bios version as well ? That would give some information for possible conclusions

 

[theslug]

I thought it was just the step into liquid 1080 video that people were having trouble with. It seems most people have gotten the other trailers to work fine.

 

[imported_Harbinger]

well striker 1080p is definately NOT ok with my pc. And carage, I really missed your possed above. maybe that nvidia dvd decoder is doing the difference but i definately dont want to pay for it.

 

[carage]

The nVidia DVD Decoder isn't doing the difference.
Results were the same before and after I installed the nVidia DVD Decoder, and who says you have to pay for it?
I am not sure whether it is against forum policy to discuss pirated software, but I can tell you the serials are already leaked on major P2P networks and all you need is really a serial code, don't let the activation scheme fool you.

 

[imported_Harbinger]

Well, if you say no difference at all then I guess there is no need to try and get it pirated. could you please post your system/drivers setup ? I am very curious

 

[imported_Harbinger]

Well, i got a trial version of the decoder. same s**t Still strike 1080p totally 100%.. anyway , i am tired. time for some sleep.

 

[carage]

Originally posted by: Harbinger
Well, if you say no difference at all then I guess there is no need to try and get it pirated. could you please post your system/drivers setup ? I am very curious

Actually it is quite similar to yours.

Athlon64 3500+ with AMD driver update
Gigabyte K8NS-Ultra 939 F2
Corsair 512MB DDR333x2 (I gotta change it to DDR400 sometime)
BFG 6800 GT (370/1000)
nForce driver: official 5.10
Forceware: 66.81
Windows XP SP2 CHT
WMP10

3DMark05: 4650

 

[MDE]

Guys, what in the world would the DVD Decoder have to do with WMV decoding? MPEG2\DVD and WMV are completely different, so you're basically stealing software for nothing.

 

[Renob]

Ok this is my 3rd post in this thread, what I dont understand is people are reporting 100% cpu usage with powerful procs, Im running a mobile barton 2600@ 3400 speeds and my cpu usage never goes above 69%

no one have remarked about my posts, it seems like mine migh be working???



Here is a my post from 10/08/24 in this thread.

"Just watched some HiDef stuff and my proc never went above 69%

Just got my 6800GT yesterday, and I must say that based only on game play this is by far the BEST upgrade I have ever done. I went from a 9800pro R360core flashed to an XT

That being said if it does not work on my card how will it effect me and video play back?

It was smooth as silk "

System
6800GT
Mobile Barton 2600@3400
512 ram
NF7 mobo

 

[Megatomic]

Rather than create another thread, let me ask this here. How many of you are contemplating getting an X800 card of some kind?

 

[Algere]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Rather than create another thread, let me ask this here. How many of you are contemplating getting an X800 card of some kind?

If the 6800 series VP issue doesn't pan out I'll probably go the X800 XT route or wait for next gen.

 

[Chippy99]

Originally posted by: Renob
Ok this is my 3rd post in this thread, what I dont understand is people are reporting 100% cpu usage with powerful procs, Im running a mobile barton 2600@ 3400 speeds and my cpu usage never goes above 69%

no one have remarked about my posts, it seems like mine migh be working???

I don't think your video processor is working. That's because I don't believe *anyone* with a 6800 right now has a working video processor, because I think they all have a hardware flaw.

So why are you getting better results than others here? Well there are a number of things that seem to affect it:

1. Fast writes ON definitely improves performance and lowers CPU usage
2. Some drivers and codecs are better than others
3. WMP 10 is much worse than WMP 9
4. Different HD content loads the CPU quite differently

There are probably other factors too.

My CPU usage was "OK" at around 75%. But a mixture of "upgrading, LOL" to 66.81 drivers, installing the DVD decoder codec, "upgrading, LOL, again" to WMP10 - has degraded my CPU usage to 80-90% or more with 100% peaks and dropped frames.

This is with *entirely* the same hardware, merely messing with the software has done this.

So is it possible that you are getting 70% utilization with a borked Video processor? Yes, perfectly possible.

Chip

 

[carage]

I've seen another theory out there suggested by a Taiwanese forum I frequent.
Some people claim they solved their 100% CPU utilization problem after getting rid of K-Lite and all the other third party integrated codec packs of sorts.
I guess individually installing only the codecs as you need them is probably the best way so you don't accidently get conflicting codecs in the same pack without having a clue of what went wrong.

 

[imported_Harbinger]

the codecs I use are gordian knots one. I get rid of k-lites and nimos some time ago. But there is no way I will uninstall gk's since I mostly watch xvid/divx and not hd wmv (who does on a regular basis ?)

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Rather than create another thread, let me ask this here. How many of you are contemplating getting an X800 card of some kind?

At this point I don't know. If I feel like unloading it and finding another $200 around Xmas, I'd gladly replace it with an XT PE, just out of spite.