GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[greenail]

I have a 6800 GTO (dell OEM model) and the step into liquid seems to play fine for me, about 40% cpu utilization and no skips. the odd thing is that i get perfect output at 1360x768, but artifacts @1024x768. not much change in gpu temp, but the cooling in this rig is massive.

I'm very interested in the encoding, has anyone found any more info on what vendors will enable HW encoding acceleration? a virtual dub pluging would rock.


dell XPS (crap)
3.4 GHz p4 550
geforce 6800 GTO (unlocked to 16pipes etc via rivatuner)
1G DDR2@533

 

[fbrdphreak]

Its 40% 'cuz of your HT

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: greenail
I have a 6800 GTO (dell OEM model) and the step into liquid seems to play fine for me, about 40% cpu utilization and no skips. the odd thing is that i get perfect output at 1360x768, but artifacts @1024x768. not much change in gpu temp, but the cooling in this rig is massive.

I'm very interested in the encoding, has anyone found any more info on what vendors will enable HW encoding acceleration? a virtual dub pluging would rock.


dell XPS (crap)
3.4 GHz p4 550
geforce 6800 GTO (unlocked to 16pipes etc via rivatuner)
1G DDR2@533

You need to turn off hyperthreading for the test and look at CPU usage then. I know Adobe Premiere is adding support but beyond that I can't say.

 

[imported_humey]

BTW, why everyone using Step into Liquid 1080, its not the most strainfull its not highest res at 1080 x 1440, you need dl the 1920 x 1080 ones, pity i will need dl them to remember which it is, al plays smooth on new powerdvd 6 which now official does dvd audio and HD WMV, even before in version5 it was smoother than wmp9 and 10 which could hang during playback for few secs.

You also need set monitor to res of movie you not gonna achive the effect at desktop res, so only CRT gonna get that res.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: humey
BTW, why everyone using Step into Liquid 1080, its not the most strainfull its not highest res at 1080 x 1440, you need dl the 1920 x 1080 ones, pity i will need dl them to remember which it is, al plays smooth on new powerdvd 6 which now official does dvd audio and HD WMV, even before in version5 it was smoother than wmp9 and 10 which could hang during playback for few secs.

You also need set monitor to res of movie you not gonna achive the effect at desktop res, so only CRT gonna get that res.

Its just a test to check the video processor. I believe it is the most stressful demo clip (or it was when these tests started) It does what it needs to do with software most anyone running XP uses, no sense in everyone having to download a different clip, or use another player. Its not intended for anything other than that.

 

[Chippy99]

Originally posted by: humey
You also need set monitor to res of movie you not gonna achive the effect at desktop res, so only CRT gonna get that res.

I don't agree. If you check the CPU utilization when playing in a window of different sizes, or playing full screen, it makes very little - if any - difference.

All the hard CPU work is done on the decoding. The scaling part is very CPU light.

Chip

 

[imported_humey]

Ok Nvidia PR peep phoned me back today.

You will see new function in new forceware driver end of this month called PURE VIDEO, it will lower cpu use on mpeg and wmv(hd) but not as much as it will on 6200 and 6600 card as these were designed after 6800 range.

He admits the hardware isnt working as good on the 6800 for the encoding/decoding movies as they hoped as they didnt have all current info for later builds of wmp9 and 10, this is why he advises using nvidias decoder app although wmp10 and power dvd will have less cpu use also on thse new drivers.
He assures me nothing is broken but says it doesnt do the WmvHD aswell as they hopes on 6800 range.

I also added that powed dvd since build 3 (1st i used it) has a checkbox is the video tab for hardware use, and thet it never did anything on any cards i owned by nvidia, he explains since some old G-Force 2 something they all have some kind of hardware aceleration for video but 6800 was 1st to try do this new stuff and 6200 and 6600 will be better overall but obv only in movies, this helps peeps with lower powered cpus but not matter much to myself or peeps with high power systems, as i told him i can play the movies ok just high cpu use.

We went into more detail and talked for 30mins and he told me also there is not 6850 aka 6800 Ultra Exteme to date planned as it will be SLI use to get more power, but there will be new card soon as 6800 is approx 5 months old and they introduce new model every 6 months, pity it took me 5 months of hunting to get my Chaintech 6800U :-(.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: humey
Ok Nvidia PR peep phoned me back today.

You will see new function in new forceware driver end of this month called PURE VIDEO, it will lower cpu use on mpeg and wmv(hd) but not as much as it will on 6200 and 6600 card as these were designed after 6800 range.

He admits the hardware isnt working as good on the 6800 for the encoding/decoding movies as they hoped as they didnt have all current info for later builds of wmp9 and 10, this is why he advises using nvidias decoder app although wmp10 and power dvd will have less cpu use also on thse new drivers.
He assures me nothing is broken but says it doesnt do the WmvHD aswell as they hopes on 6800 range.

I also added that powed dvd since build 3 (1st i used it) has a checkbox is the video tab for hardware use, and thet it never did anything on any cards i owned by nvidia, he explains since some old G-Force 2 something they all have some kind of hardware aceleration for video but 6800 was 1st to try do this new stuff and 6200 and 6600 will be better overall but obv only in movies, this helps peeps with lower powered cpus but not matter much to myself or peeps with high power systems, as i told him i can play the movies ok just high cpu use.

We went into more detail and talked for 30mins and he told me also there is not 6850 aka 6800 Ultra Exteme to date planned as it will be SLI use to get more power, but there will be new card soon as 6800 is approx 5 months old and they introduce new model every 6 months, pity it took me 5 months of hunting to get my Chaintech 6800U :-(.

No!
Good info Humey.

 

[James3shin]

and the tale takes yet another turn, the 6600gt pot is looking sweeter and sweeter, and the 6800's are looking mighty nice as well.

 

[heyyoudvd]

So does this mean that Nvidia is full of it?
Because the 66.93's did nothing for Step Into Liquid.

 

[imported_humey]

1STLY The 66.93 drivers aint end of novembers driver, and nowhere does it claim them to have PUREVIDEO, so no these drivers aint the ones promised by NVIDIA UK PR manager, he also hinted at new mobo drivers to as we know 5.10 can cause probs but leaked betas 6.14 are good.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: heyyoudvd
So does this mean that Nvidia is full of it?
Because the 66.93's did nothing for Step Into Liquid.

They were full of it when they decided to try and pull this. As far as the much-heralded driver fix, the driver set that supposedly (fully) activates PVP is still due out. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised, but I don't think it's going to happen.

 

[heyyoudvd]

So there's still the possibility that the video processor could work?
Here's hopin'.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

um, i am not sure if this means it works or not, but my system is no heavyweight. on my geforce fx 5700, i had 100% CPU usage, and the video played like crap, i got like a half a frame every second, but with my 6800GT in, the video plays with ZERO dropped frames, a bit lower CPU usage (70-90%), and as someone above mentioned, when the image is scaled i start getting weird wavy crap in the video, but it works fine when i play it smaller (resize windows media plaer a bit). i think my video processor MAY be working, just a hunch

UPDATE: i tested with the nVidia temp monitor open on the side, and let the video loop several (like 6) times, and the GPU temp steadily rose up from 60C to 63C, after i shut Windows Media Player, it went back down to 61C, is it really working?

 

[carage]

Well, technically it is mid November now, just a few more weeks to wait, unless they were just buying time.
Maybe nVidia will have something to accompany our Thanksgiving dinners.

 

[Chippy99]

Originally posted by: sheik124

is it really working?

No. When I test it on HD Mpeg2 material (1080i with 18MB/s bit rate) the CPU usage is around 20% and the GPU temp rises 8 or 9C.

Chip

 

[imported_humey]

sheik124, Your GPU doesnt have this new tech, sorry, only 6800(supposed to have)6600 and new 6200 have this when proper support through drivers comes out end of NOVEMBER 2004.

Chippy you got 20% cpu use and gpu rise in temps then yours seems to be working.

Thats what we all want, cpu to offload work to GPU as it says on nvidias Box, for GPU's

Rest us got 55%-100% cpu use and no GPU temp rise.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: humey
sheik124, Your GPU doesnt have this new tech, sorry, only 6800(supposed to have)6600 and new 6200 have this when proper support through drivers comes out end of NOVEMBER 2004.

Chippy you got 20% cpu use and gpu rise in temps then yours seems to be working.

Thats what we all want, cpu to offload work to GPU as it says on nvidias Box, for GPU's

Rest us got 55%-100% cpu use and no GPU temp rise.

What are you saying here? That the 6800GT doesn't have a PVP, only the 6800 vanilla? If so, you are mistaken.
EDIT: You must have meant his 5700.

 

[imported_humey]

S-h-i-t sorry, i didnt see he had 6800, range card also only saw 5700, please just read my post on convo with NVIDIA peep, thats as much as anyones knows, all 6600 and 6200 are meant to be better than 6800 range at this new process as of reasons he stated, BUT none these cards will actually fully support till drivers at end of NOVEMBER come out, and then , only then, will we see if 6800 range can be sorted through software, but he did admit as 6800 range is older at nearly 5 months old, that it doesnt work as good as they hoped, and they sorted this in 6600 range and 6200 range(ive never even seen a 6200 yet).

Just all hold fire few weeks then as soon as you see new drivers maybe its just gpu or both gpu and mobo drivers, i not know, just install and try tests again, he did say it will improve in wmp10 and powerdvd, but obv he advises Nvidias own software as a nice plug for his company, but i wont be buying it but i may dl and use as trial.

If any peep here claims 20% cpu use and gpu temp rising playing these movies. then its seems has a working GPU on current drivers.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

ok, then how come its now playing with zero dropped frames, and the temperature rose 4-5C?
its probably not working, but i might have gotten lucky

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: humey
He admits the hardware isnt working as good on the 6800 for the encoding/decoding movies as they hoped as they didnt have all current info for later builds of wmp9 and 10, this is why he advises using nvidias decoder app although wmp10 and power dvd will have less cpu use also on thse new drivers.
He assures me nothing is broken but says it doesnt do the WmvHD aswell as they hopes on 6800 range.

It sounds like he was blowing smoke up your butt to get you off the phone, humey. Why map 20-million transistors to the NV40 KNOWING that they "didn't work as well as they had hoped" and only address the problem when forced to? If it wasn't a HW issue, why not produce a corrective driver set soon after the product shipped? nVidia screwed the pooch royal on this and should just own up to it.

 

[imported_humey]

He did say it was hardware issue, gee is noone reading whats he said, he adlmits the 6800 wont prob ever be as good as later designed 6600 and 6200 as the 6800 design is 5months old, but he is hoping it will work better for 6800 with new software, look i only know what he told me, thats why i recorded the phone convo, so i got him by the balls in legal case if he told me a load of bollocks.

Lets all wait and see in next few weeks. and if it not work we seek action by sticking together.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: humey
He did say it was hardware issue, gee is noone reading whats he said, he adlmits the 6800 wont prob ever be as good as later designed 6600 and 6200 as the 6800 design is 5months old, but he is hoping it will work better for 6800 with new software, look i only know what he told me, thats why i recorded the phone convo, so i got him by the balls in legal case if he told me a load of bollocks.

Lets all wait and see in next few weeks. and if it not work we seek action by sticking together.

Read what HE said? Let's not forget that you're offering 2nd hand information here, or that you've edited the content of your post at least once. As for the simple act of reading with comprehension, you don't seem to understand that I wasn't attacking you in any way. What's with the chip on your shoulder? This is about non-functional silicon not you being quick to take offense where none was offered.

While you're pondering what I just said, please reconcile these two statements:

1. "He assures me nothing is broken..."

2. "He did say it was hardware issue..."

Next time think before acting out.

 

[imported_humey]

No chip on shoulder and i never said u attacked me, lay of the dopepipe as your getting paranoid mate.

We are all here for same reason, i only know what the peep told me, its better info than any others posted, whether its 2nd hand or not, it came from Nvidia rep to me to you, and we will see soon if he is a liar, until then i not gonna post as there is nothing anyone can do till drivers come out.

goodday

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: humey
No chip on shoulder and i never said u attacked me, lay of the dopepipe as your getting paranoid mate.

Dopepipe? You?re a swaggering, illiterate trick-baby, dude. Humey can't read, write or comprehend and >I'm< on a "dopepipe?" 8 lousy posts and you're the king of anandtech already. If you had something other than warm water between your ears you would have noticed that there was nothing new in ANYTHING you vomited out. That makes you pedantic AND ignorant.