GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[imported_humey]

NO THEY DIDN'T, they edited it recently, NVIDIA advertised the 6800 range to do what the 6600 and 6200 now do, so thats a LIE.

This site also said TODAY on 20th nvidia gives world PUREVIDEO, or words very similar that i copy/pasted before, well id like Anandtech to tell us all where, as i only see new POS video encoder not a new driver as of me looking 5 mins ago, it said publically avail for download, infact im going to again copy/paste it so i cant be said to be changing any words.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2305

"Eight months.

We'll let you think about that once more.

Eight months.

Eight months have passed since NVIDIA introduced the GeForce 6800 and its Video Processor and today, after eight long months of waiting with no explanation, we can finally take advantage of it. The wait is over, NVIDIA's PureVideo DVD decoder and drivers are publicly available for download. GeForce 6 owners can finally take advantage of the ~20 million transistors set aside for NVIDIA's "Video Processor" through the driver and codec that are being released today".

Ok we got a trial of POS decoder, thats worste thing i ever used, even the way you have to use it, where is new 70.10 driver ?, i know 70.20 leaked one dont have PUREVIDEO.

 

[epking]

70.20 leaked one dont have PUREVIDEO

the 70.20's are purevideo actually. I'm using them. The thing is, for purevideo, when you have a 6800 series, all that this means is when paired with the new $19.99 dvd codecs, you can now have accelerated dvd playback and a couple of additional dvd/mpeg2 features like 3:2 pulldown, and IDCT. THats pretty much it. I've found these dvd codecs to be fantastic in so far as image quality, there are none better...but if you don't like them.. just go ahead and forget about purevideo, because thats all you'll get out of it. Its really a big fat nothing for 6800 users. Dvd codecs, or dvd accel, is a GIVEN on any freaking modern card...it was a given when we boughht the card, yet somehow Nvidia have managed to get asswhipes like myself to buy them eight months later.

But the long and short of it is this, for 6800 users, rest assured, if you've tried the codecs along with any post- 67.03 drivers, then that is all there is to the highly touted purevideo. FULL STOP. That is all you're getting. PERIOD.

BTW, Nvidia, and their legions of fanboys say to: "shutup, thats all you're getting, and you'll like it! the features that were supposed to come with the card really weren't important anyways, and they personally don't need them, therefore nobody else on this entire planet possibly could. so just take the purevideo as a christmas gift, and stfu"

 

[Xionide]

OK what gives. I have installed everything on nvidia's site to get pure video to work. I have a 6600gt agp and am running on a fresh install of xp w/sp2. I have mp10 isntalled. I have the decoder installed. But when I go to play the step into liquid video I am still seeing my cpu go up to 100% and I lose frames like crazy. Any advice?

 

[epking]

Originally posted by: Xionide
OK what gives. I have installed everything on nvidia's site to get pure video to work. I have a 6600gt agp and am running on a fresh install of xp w/sp2. I have mp10 isntalled. I have the decoder installed. But when I go to play the step into liquid video I am still seeing my cpu go up to 100% and I lose frames like crazy. Any advice?

what drivers are you using? Try the 67.03's on the nzone site, or try the 70.20's. It should work with either of these drivers. You're right though, you should not be loosing frames. Keep posting, we should be able to work this out. I'd also like to see the results when you do get it working, and what you think of it when it does. How about dvd's? When you play a dvd in WMP10 for example, do you see the nvidia decoder icon in your system tray? if so, right click on it and open it up...then change deinterlace to smart, and the other one to default..i forget what category its called..but you'll know what i mean. The main things is changing to smart deinterlacing. Post back with results if you have time, i'd be interested in what you think.

 

[epking]

btw, are you still looking for a 6800 std. I have one i'm gonna sell, its a pny, that unlocks to 16pipe. Does 11k in 03 without breaking a sweat in an nforce2 xp3200 system.

 

[Xionide]

Originally posted by: epking

Originally posted by: Xionide
OK what gives. I have installed everything on nvidia's site to get pure video to work. I have a 6600gt agp and am running on a fresh install of xp w/sp2. I have mp10 isntalled. I have the decoder installed. But when I go to play the step into liquid video I am still seeing my cpu go up to 100% and I lose frames like crazy. Any advice?

what drivers are you using? Try the 67.03's on the nzone site, or try the 70.20's. It should work with either of these drivers. You're right though, you should not be loosing frames. Keep posting, we should be able to work this out. I'd also like to see the results when you do get it working, and what you think of it when it does. How about dvd's? When you play a dvd in WMP10 for example, do you see the nvidia decoder icon in your system tray? if so, right click on it and open it up...then change deinterlace to smart, and the other one to default..i forget what category its called..but you'll know what i mean. The main things is changing to smart deinterlacing. Post back with results if you have time, i'd be interested in what you think.

Ya when I pop a dvd in the decoder works. It pops up in the system tray. I am using 67.03's from nvidias site. Hell on low res divx files I am still getting cpu usage of between 20-30%. So it seems like the only time the encoder is working is when I am using dvds. I will try setting it up with the smart deinterlacing.

Thanks

 

[kogase]

What should be done, I think, is a grassroots "exposure" site. Have a site with a well written summary of the issue, history of the issue, etc... and have the site linked to in every sympathetic website out there. Have it rise through the Google rankings. If a search of Google for "geforce encoding" returns the site as the second or third hit, nVidia can't just ignore it. I'm not up for it: not only am I lazy, but I don't own one of these cards. But it's the best option out there, as I see it.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

I'm wary of legal action. Class action lawsuits are always a joke. We'll all end up with a coupon that expires in 30 days for $10 off a purchase of an Alienware system powered by NVidia.

Really, the best course of action will be getting the media involved. We'll need the help of the tech sites like Anandtech and TH and {H} etc to make this a stickied headline and call NVidia out. Get TechTV to report on it. Hopefully have it picked up by one of the cable news channels or something.

Hell, ATI may even want to do something like offer a trade-in program for people who are really upset to give the finger to NVidia.

For NVidia, a bunched of pissy enthusiasts is humorous. For a publically traded company, bad press is a nightmare.

 

[Xionide]

I changed it to smart deinterlacing. The check box for hardware accelerationis checked in the pure video menu. Yet the menu in windows media player still has the option for the prefered decoder is still greyed out and it ison software.

 

[Xionide]

Alright I just tried step into liquid again after turning it into smart deinterlacing. Still getting 100% cpu usage and the video is dropping so many frames I can't even watch it. The purevideo thing is not popping up in these wmvhd's at all. Someone please help me.

 

[Sarvatt]

I have a 6600GT AGP as well (PNY brand) and Pure Video does not work for me either. 100% CPU usage and dropped frames with any driver I've thrown at it. It only works with DVD's here.

 

[epking]

i think the problem may be you guys have to enable vmr rendering. If there isn't an option in the nvidia drivers, I believe I read that running coolbits nvtweak, gives you the option to enable the option. I don't remember it exactly, because it didn't apply to my miserable situation with only a 6800....but i'm pretty sure you guys need this vmr rendering mode enabled, and to get this option one has to run a nvtweak, coolbits...from guru3d I think.

 

[imported_humey]

Hmm, so 6600 range peeps cant use it after ananadtech big 20th public relase of dvd decoder and driver (which i cant find).
Nvidia cant expect peeps to dl coolbits and mess around as sone peeps aint as expert as others, it needs to work by simple hardware + driver and they claimed on sites it did, no mention of coolbits or riva tuner, im not familuar with the setting you mention, but then again i aint looked for it in past.

BTW, there is new 71.22 driver on www.station-drivers.com, maybe it has PureVideo cause i cant find the 70.10's only 71.10's i think.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Xionide
Alright I just tried step into liquid again after turning it into smart deinterlacing. Still getting 100% cpu usage and the video is dropping so many frames I can't even watch it. The purevideo thing is not popping up in these wmvhd's at all. Someone please help me.

Try the 71.20's with MP10 set to high quality mode instead of overlay and see if that helps.

 

[Sarvatt]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Try the 71.20's with MP10 set to high quality mode instead of overlay and see if that helps.

Didn't work, I just tried this with 71.20 and 71.22. It gets a little farther before it turns to complete choppiness though (about 7 seconds)

i think the problem may be you guys have to enable vmr rendering. If there isn't an option in the nvidia drivers, I believe I read that running coolbits nvtweak, gives you the option to enable the option. I don't remember it exactly, because it didn't apply to my miserable situation with only a 6800....but i'm pretty sure you guys need this vmr rendering mode enabled, and to get this option one has to run a nvtweak, coolbits...from guru3d I think.

That didn't work either, I followed your advice and got nvtweak and enabled VMR rendering on 4 different sets of drivers that are supposed to work and nada.. The only thing I can think of is this stuff only works with those specific drivers that only exist for reviewers or something

 

[imported_humey]

Thats why im not happy with this sites crap that they posted on 20th, claiming there was a dvd decoder and driver avail for public download, when only new dvd decoder was on nvidia site, ive seen no 70.10 driver anywhere.

 

[epking]

well, I know a lot of people over at AVS forums have it working. Not sure what is going on though exactly with your case. I'm using the 70.20's and the new nvidia dvd codecs on my 6800, and I can verify that the purevideo benefits are working in so far as dvd acceleration and IDCT and 3:2 pulldown mode in DVD playback. For winHd, make sure you go into the options/performance/advanced tab in WMP10. Nest make sure use Video Mixing renderer is checked, and also high quality mode. Its really important that overlay is unchecked. Go ahead and make sure the settings are the same below for dvd. Anyways, you probably have already done this, but i thought i'd mention it anyways, because these settings are of paramount importance. Next the VMR rendering setting in the Nvidia drivers are also key. Then in the nvdvd codec configs, you should have it set to Deinterlace control should be set to : Smart. Deinterlace Mode should be set to: VMR default. (these settings are also imperative) Finally, below those, make sure you have it set to prefer VMR9. From my understanding, these are the purevideo(hardware accel) settings for both WinHD and DVD playback.

now, when playing a dvd for example, you should see in the decoder format info something like:
DirectX VA mode (Aor B) and IDCT below that you should see Video Mixing or Video Mixing Renderer, something to that nature.

If you have the above settings turned on, now try a dvd played through the nstant.exe program(its hidden in the crogram/nvidia/forceware/somewhere like that. Anyways, play a dvd using that app. If you get a real extraordinary image, with real smooth crystal clear playback, and NO TEARING with these settings....then you can be virtually certain that purevideo is working, at least for DVD acceleration. This no tearing, smooth image, is a result of the new purevideo, and played through nstant is actually a new 3d rendering mode previously only available only in Windows Media Center 05. I think this is basically or a form of what Nvidia calls, VMr9 scaling in the pure video release. Anyways, I am curious to see what your experience is with dvd playback under these settings, this way we can figure out if purevideo is up and working on your system. Also, how are you hooked up, and watching? ie: one monitor, or 2, and if so, what monitor setup, type of connection. Ie: dvi, analog, ect.

 

[epking]

Originally posted by: humey
Thats why im not happy with this sites crap that they posted on 20th, claiming there was a dvd decoder and driver avail for public download, when only new dvd decoder was on nvidia site, ive seen no 70.10 driver anywhere.

well, nobody can argue with that one humey. though some might find a way..lol. Anyways, you are 100% correct. Nvidia's "Christmas Gift" 1/2 of it is still M.I.A. and the other 1/2 is $19.99. Of course every other video card for the last three or more years has had free dvd acceleration out of the box, with the exception of these $500 6800's. Nothing was wrong with the on chip decoder though :laugh: they just needed developers to write proper code for it.:roll:

You are right to be disapointed with the anand article, most of it was factually accurate(with the exception of what you pointed out above) but it most certainly put as positive of a spin as you possibly could on this broken on chip video decoder thing. It was written so a casual reader would very much get the impression that all was well, and this was indeed this marvelous thing...it was only mentioned in passing the 6800's lacked the serious features. He should have qualified it better, the purevideo is great if you are a 6600 owner, but if you are a 6800 series, and paid 2 times more a premium, you are S.O.L.

I don't know, i wrote him a letter saying which was a more important story from a hardware perspective?: the fact that hundreds of thousands of 6800 owners got swindled out of a major feature and Nvidia appeared to be covering it up and changing their story, moreover a Flagship Series Card launched with faulty disfunctional hardware that did not work as advertised. Or is it more important that the pure video is now working for a handful of 6600 users and then a detailed comparison of the 6600 video quality vs. the X700? I said flat out that he missed the story, and imo, it was not by accident. I said I could not help but wonder if this was not a case of knowing where his bread is buttered.

I told him an objective hard hitting journalist would have covered both aspects,ie: given purevideo its due, because it is indeed a fantastic feature (for 6600 owners) but, no question from a hardware consumer driven site perspective, the focus should have been the countless Consumers who have been done wrong by a company, and the complete and utter lack of accountability on Nvidia's part. I told him if hardware sites like anandtech don't hold these companies responsible, nobody will. I said i expect more from a highly respected site as anandtech. Indeed anandtech is THE most respected site, but with compromising articles like that, that are afraid to take a company like Nvidia or Intel, or AMD, or ATI to task, then they won't be for long. Users want hardware sites that are objective, look out for the consumer, and hold companies accountable. Period. Anandtech, imo has always been such a site, but that article, imo shirked its responsibility completely. If a highly touted on chip video decoder of a major flagship product launch is completely lacking, and a company blatantly covers up, lies, and then just changes their story, and hundreds of thousands of owners have essentially been defrauded of that feature....well, if thats not an important enough issue for an article about that very same on chip decoder, then I don't know what in the hell is. In addition, I cannot help but wonder why the subject was tip-toed around, and spun so positively in favor of Nvidia.

 

[imported_humey]

ForceWare 71.24

http://www.osnn.net/comments.php?shownews=11625

 

[Sarvatt]

Sweet! Forceware 71.24 works beautifully, hovers around 80% CPU usage while watching step into liquid. Thank you guys for the help!

 

[govtcheez75]

Originally posted by: Sarvatt
Sweet! Forceware 71.24 works beautifully, hovers around 80% CPU usage while watching step into liquid. Thank you guys for the help!

hmmm....doesn't seem to have done anything for me. It still remains at or right around 100%, and drops frames all over the place.

 

[Xionide]

^same

 

[Vu]

So there's still no new official driver?
Nvidia still have 66.93 as the latest on their driver download page.

 

[Xionide]

From what I am gathering NONE of the 6 series gpus are currently working with hardware decoding other than dvd's. I am seriously getting pissed the fVck off.

 

[epking]

Originally posted by: Sarvatt
Sweet! Forceware 71.24 works beautifully, hovers around 80% CPU usage while watching step into liquid. Thank you guys for the help!

sarvatt. do you have HL2? If so do you mind running a couple of water levels? These drivers are supposed to introduce yellow water bug or something. As I'm making my way through HL2 at the moment, I'm hesitant to switch over if this is a problem. If you have the game loaded, do you mind checking for me? Try the airboat levels if possible. I'm wanting to try these drivers, but will stick with 70.02's untill i hear more info.