GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[mwmorph]

Actually I work for GE Healthcare as a engineer so i know how hard it is to deliver cutting edge technology, but we still manage to deliver our products to our customers on time, every time and under budget.

 

[LoneWolf15]

Originally posted by: Rollo
It's statistically very likely both ATI and nVidia deliver on a higher level than both you and the company you work for.

Are you the first or second best in the world at what you do? nVidia and ATI are.

Is your company the first or second best in the world at what they do? Do they provide cutting edge technology and innovation at prices everyone can afford? ATI and nVidia do.

So I guess the question could be "Why can't mwmorph deliver at near the level of the companies whose performance he so casually questions"?

I'm curious...has mwmorph promised to deliver anything to you? What do you expect him to deliver? Pizza? The mail? Your end-phrase makes no sense whatsoever other than to sound like a bizzare "I'm up at 3am and on my 3rd can of Jolt" rant. If he didn't promise anything to you, at a certain time, then your end-statement is a worthless flame.

It doesn't matter whether nVidia or ATI are the best at what they do when it comes to whether they deliver their products on time. If nVidia or ATI promises a cutting edge product at a certain time, then takes six months longer, that's not delivering in the manner in which they promised. Currently, I see nVidia as not delivering what they promised (NV40/45 video processor) and ATI as not delivering when they promised (X800XT PE, X850XT, and we'll see on the X800XL). Your statments are smoke and mirrors that are clouding the point that was raised. You can be the best at what you do even if you don't deliver product when you stated...but being the best at what you do can mean that everyone else isn't great, and at least you deliver a product that's usable.

 

[nRollo]

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[audscott]

For everyone "using" the PV DVD decoder...be sure the decoder is activated before running WMV - otherwise you still only using WMV.

Just wanted to make that point, cause it's unlike any picture I've ever seen, other than plasma.

 

[imported_humey]

Rolla thats not compairable, MS are late with windows sp2 and longhorn, does it matter, they rather release when as near to 100% sorted as possible rather than half baked like Nvidia, a GPU that u paid £400+ for and cant be fixed if broke by any software is s total rip of when it was advertised to do certian aspects, a o/s can be patched if broke.

I really doubt you will ever win arguement in here and stop quoting so much, i dont need to read same crap every post, i can look up to see what you on about, thats why this thread is massive and little info has any real input.

BTW Plasma isnt that great LCD beats it but for size and good ol CRT has better quality and res that any them, look out in 2005 for new shallow crt tubes from Samsung, i wont for long time ever own a tftlcd monitor, most u get now is 8ms lag, thats still crap for gamming as 20ms = 50fsp so 8ms will be little over 110 fps added to warrenty for dead pixels, the numbers are unacceptable.

Im a nice big chunky but great picture crt user, not many if any tftlcd pc monitors could reach 1080p > 1920 x 1080.

 

[mwmorph]

im just frustrated that the only 2 real gamer oriented companies in the market screwed everyone over this long, true there isnt a alternative and thats why Im pissed, i used to have $600 saved for over half a year, in wait for the 6800U and some of the functions that they promised are MORE than 8 months late. The whole video card industry needs reform. If another company, say Intel or AMD werent able to deliver, people would jump ship to the other company who would, but thats impossible with NV and ATI.

2nd, i dont work in GE consumer Products division, I work in GE Healthcare on the MRI machines and we just completed work on the RealCARD Technology which allows doctors to make a MRI realtime video of your heart and cardiac systems. Health and Aviation are the 2 places GE excels.(to tell you the truth, all my appliances are GE, but im not actually happy about it, my mircowave broke for the 2nd time in 2 years.)

 

[epking]

It's statistically very likely both ATI and nVidia deliver on a higher level than both you and the company you work for.
Is your company the first or second best in the world at what they do? Do they provide cutting edge technology and innovation at prices everyone can afford? ATI and nVidia do.

So I guess the question could be "Why can't mwmorph deliver at near the level of the companies whose performance he so casually questions"?

mwmorph, it doesn't matter whatsoever what company you work for. You could work for the worst company on the planet and your points and criticisms would still be legitimate. Rollo's point(if you can call it that) is just completely and utterly absurd.


And, it is case in point. for the typical absolute nonsense and discombobulated Crap Rollo keeps spouting in here. First off, he's admitted time and time again he doesn't care about this issue. So, seemingly, the only reason he is still here is to insult people and to reflexively defend Nvidia. Despite that, This last comment directed at mwmorph because he criticized Nvidia for not delivering on what they promised, is precisely the sort of unreasonable, hipocritical and emotional garbage we've been getting from this clown. I mean, this is so out there, and has to do with absolutely nothing, I can't help but wonder if Rollo thinks through anything, because it sure as hell seems like he just blurts out any absurdity that comes through his mind in a feeble, emotional attempt to defend Nvidia, and to attack her detractors.

His point is clearly this...he speculates that mwmorph doesn't work for one of the top two companies in their fields in the world...lol...whatever the F%$k that means. Next, he concludes that since this is so, (even though he doesn't know it) then mwmorph has no right to criticize Nvidia. lol
Now, this is an absurdity in itself on the very face of it. But when you consider who is saying it, and the logical conclusions to what he is saying..it becomes even more laughable. Essentially Rollo is saying anyone who doesn't work for one of the top companies in their field have no right to criticize. Moreover, we can also conclude that unless Rollo works for either Nvidia or ATI he has no right to ever criticize them. I mean, he has just taken mwmorph to task because he criticized Nvidia, because mwmorph doesn't work for one of the top two companies in his field.(absurd isn't it) So, if we hold Rollo to the same standards judges others by, unless Rollo works for either Nvidia or ATI then he would have no right to criticize them EVER. In addition, he would have no right to criticize ANY company, unless of course he worked for one of the top two companies in their feild. All in all its just an absolutely absurd thing to say, and it is precisely the sort of emotional knee jerk nonsense that comes out of Rollo's mouth around here in a pitiful attempt to attack those of us who wish to hold a company responsible for not delivering what they agreed to, and for not delivering what we paid them to. I mean here he is, in a thread he has said over and over that he doesn't care about this issue....I mean here he is, still doing his best(which is laughably pitiful) defending Nvidia, and attacking those who would hold her accountable. I mean at this point, i almost feel bad laughing at him.

 

[nRollo]

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[flawlssdistortn]

Goddamnit, everyone just calm the fvck down OK!!! I take a look at this whole situation, and I say yes Nvidia bent you over, stuck it to ya, took your money, and hell most of us just stood there and liked it. I mean c'mon this is the "enthusiast" market, where most are willing to pay top dollar for the hot product, and pay it again if it dont work. And yes, it was out of line, and if my processor couldn't handle HD decode, I would be pissed as well. But stop acting like Nvidia has crossed some line other companies haven't. I think it's safe to say buying into new technology is a gamble, I know that from experience with the mobo in my sig. It's wrong on their part, but you know what, it's just gonna keep happening as long as a select few companies retain a strangle hold on the market and people keep buying the new products.

So just tell me this - how good is the image quality in PV and is it worth the $20?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
Goddamnit, everyone just calm the fvck down OK!!! I take a look at this whole situation, and I say yes Nvidia bent you over, stuck it to ya, took your money, and hell most of us just stood there and liked it. I mean c'mon this is the "enthusiast" market, where most are willing to pay top dollar for the hot product, and pay it again if it dont work. And yes, it was out of line, and if my processor couldn't handle HD decode, I would be pissed as well. But stop acting like Nvidia has crossed some line other companies haven't. I think it's safe to say buying into new technology is a gamble, I know that from experience with the mobo in my sig. It's wrong on their part, but you know what, it's just gonna keep happening as long as a select few companies retain a strangle hold on the market and people keep buying the new products.

So just tell me this - how good is the image quality in PV and is it worth the $20?

Well said. :beer:

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
Goddamnit, everyone just calm the fvck down OK!!!

Standard flame baiting 101, treat as many perfect strangers as possible like hysterical children. And don't forget to put on the aggravated intellectual routine when someone doesn't respond well to it.

 

[ELopes580]

What was once known only as the NV4x Video Processor has now been given the marketing name PureVideo. PureVideo is exclusively available on the GeForce 6 series of GPUs and only the latest GeForce 6 GPUs have a fully functional PureVideo core. The original NV40 and NV45 (GeForce 6800GT/Ultra) do not have functional Windows Media Video 9 decode acceleration, but the rest of the GeForce 6 series are feature complete ( GeForce 6800/6600GT/6600/6200).


NVIDIA Enables PureVideo on GeForce 6 GPUs @ anandtech.com



I am confused here, I thought the 12x1/5vp 6800 was the same as the 16x1/6vp 6800GT/Ultra cards??? So how can the plain 6800 be "feature complete", while the GT/Ultra models have non functioning decoders??

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ELopes580
What was once known only as the NV4x Video Processor has now been given the marketing name PureVideo. PureVideo is exclusively available on the GeForce 6 series of GPUs and only the latest GeForce 6 GPUs have a fully functional PureVideo core. The original NV40 and NV45 (GeForce 6800GT/Ultra) do not have functional Windows Media Video 9 decode acceleration, but the rest of the GeForce 6 series are feature complete ( GeForce 6800/6600GT/6600/6200).


NVIDIA Enables PureVideo on GeForce 6 GPUs @ anandtech.com



I am confused here, I thought the 12x1/5vp 6800 was the same as the 16x1/6vp 6800GT/Ultra cards??? So how can the plain 6800 be "feature complete", while the GT/Ultra models have non functioning decoders??

Be confused no more: the 6800 PCIE is based on the nV41 chip, the 6800 AGP is in the same boat as the GT/Ultras, as you suspect.

 

[imported_humey]

That write up is POS, cause no 70.10 driver is avail for public download, so anandtech r full of it.

Fact is nvidia screws us 6800 range users no matter what anyone saysinc Rollo or this site.

I again must repeat i can play any clips no probs, but thats not the point is it, id like to encode movies faster as it claimed it would do.

 

[flawlssdistortn]

So can anyone tell me about the PureVideo image quality?

 

[epking]

Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
So can anyone tell me about the PureVideo image quality?

i've got several posts in this thread in regard to pureimage quality. Paired with a 6800 series and the new dvd codecs, dvd and hdtv video on these cards are second to none. The video image quality is most certainly spectacular. Have a look some posts back where we talk about it. YOu can always do the trial flawssdistorn, if you like. I do think they are worth the $20 though, they are the best image quality, and the best decoder's bar-none. Its kind of a pain getting them to work with a program you're comfortable with, I'd recomend ZoomPlayer, or Nstant(which is an .exe that comes with the codecs but is somewhat limited) and then you could just use WMP10. Personally, I use ZoomPlayer, in VMR9 mode, with the new codecs DXVA IDCT smart decode. If i get tearing in the image, i move to either nstant.exe or an obscure alpha program called mediator that does renderless mode dvd playback. Anyways, not to confuse, just check them out...give them a look with Zoomplayer, WMP10, or nstant.exe

nstant.exe is located in the crog files/nvidia/force// something. Just do a search for nstant.exe in your winexplorer.

the thing with these codecs is they are codecs only. if you are willing to work with the codecs to achieve the best image quality and try different program than windvd or power, than you will love these dvd codecs. They really shine on high quality displays like outputting and upscaling to an hdtv for example. But if you're the sort who'd just prefer a quick powerdvd on your 17inch monitor, than don't bother with the $20. I guess thats the long and short of it.

 

[jagerk]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Be confused no more: the 6800 PCIE is based on the nV41 chip, the 6800 AGP is in the same boat as the GT/Ultras, as you suspect.

This means the 6800NU PCIe is the best of both worlds, the "functional" VPU of the 6600GT agp/pcie, and the possibility to turn up the pipes like 6800 AGP. So, where do you buy these 6800NU PCIes? Ideally, for the same price of 6800AGP?

 

[imported_humey]

Well not really, using nvidia player you got to browse to it or make shortcut if you playing files from hdd for "nStantMedia.exe" it uses the arrow up and down keys and esc key as far as i can see, it dont have a real console like power dvd, total joke, i seen no ff or rw tools unless im totally missing something.

If so please fill me in as so far its total POS.

The picture quality aint any better than wmp10 or powerdvd6 infact powerdvd6 is said to be best and has a tick box for years for hardware acell to ofload some to gpu, so it claims in read me.

We still dont have this real driver so i have no idea why this site said they were avail for public download.

I now doubt it will ever work on 6800 range esp as the UK PR Manager wont reply to my calls, he is a asshole and i will forward his name as all recoreded msg's to Trading Standards UK, only after ive see a official real purevideo drive on main Nvidia site and tested it and it fails.

I use tv out to watch movies but obv i aint got a hdtv so i watch wnvHD on 19" crt flat screen monitor that has better quality than a tv anyhow, still aint buying a decoder even if its £1 cause we been screwed, i can dl it if i like for now i do with trial, but 30days will run out b4 we prob see a driver anyhow.

Ive never had issuew ith quality, just pissed at this 6800 range situ :disgust:

 

[epking]

statistically very likely both ATI and nVidia deliver on a higher level than both you and the company you work for.

Are you the first or second best in the world at what you do? nVidia and ATI are.

Is your company the first or second best in the world at what they do? Do they provide cutting edge technology and innovation at prices everyone can afford? ATI and nVidia do.

So I guess the question could be "Why can't mwmorph deliver at near the level of the companies whose performance he so casually questions"??

What in the hell else is that supposed to mean other than you took exception to mwmorph criticizing Nvidia for not delivering, and then used an absolutely asinine, and impossible standard to judge others by. It means what you said, simple as that.
And my point still stands, you make these ridiculous comments like the above, holding others to higher standards, completely oblivious to what you?re positions and actions have been in this very thread. Its laughable. Also, why in the hell do you keep bringing ATI into this? Its got nothing to do with anything except they happen to be another graphics card maker. You?re chief strategy defending Nvidia throughout this long thread has been ?..well, ATI has this problem, ATI didn?t do this right?and it diverts the issue. Its nonsense. Now, because everyone started calling you out as Anandtech?s resident Nvidia Fanboy?and it has been shown that you have taken the side of Nvidia in every single issue that ever comes up, you go on this nonsense "Rollo image makeover" campaign. lol
It doesn't matter Rollo, the fact remains?.everybody who has any sense knows you take Nvidia?s side 100% of the time, and you get defensive and you outright attack anyone who dares to speak against them on any issue. Again, dude?.everything you say here is on record, and people can pull up 100 of 100 of your posts defending Nvidia, despite what you claim is in your system now. What you're claiming is akin to saying: "I?ve got a New York Yankees hat see, nevermind the fact I have season tickets for the Redsox the last 10 years, and I attack anyone violently that says a negative whisper against the Sox." [roll]

As for your crap about mwmorph, You took him to task for criticizing Nvidia, you said, he couldn?t criticize because he didn?t work for a top company in his field. Now, of course that is an absurdity in and of itself, but that is what you said. Sorry, you said it, not me. You?re armchair quarterback spin is about as good as you could possibly spin it after the fact.
So you don't like people armchairquarterbacking? Oh you mean armchair quarterbacking like this? You see, you?ve criticized "one of the top two companies in their feild" (ATI of course) plenty in this very thread. Of course that was my point, namely, that you just spout any old emotional nonsensical crap?.and you forget what you?ve said a few posts earlier. You had the audacity to crtiticize him for complaining that Nvidia have not "delivered"?.you said, its not right since he doesn?t work for either of them, and his company is not the top of his industry(whatever the hell that absurd statement means). LOL>..but here you are, doing the exact same fecking thing?.lol?here you are criticizing ATI for not "delivering" the X700 series. And again, Here you are another half a dozen times criticizing ATI, As I said, you have a very selective and short memory, and you?re arguments and contradictions are laughably absurd:

?Not good news for ATI. The money they've put into the X700XT is lost, and the failure to bring the card to market damages their credibility.?

Can anyone say Rollo?s a hipocrit? I can. If anyone cares to go back a ways in this thread, Rollo?s chief defense of Nvidia more or less, was attacking ATI ?lol. You are on record here Rollo?whether you like it or not. So, now one post ago, Rollo says we cannot criticize any company unless the one we work for is at the zenith of the industry, but this thread is full of probably 20 separate incidents of Rollo criticizing ATI. [roll] Like these for example:

"Nobody with any common sense (at least that knows anything about nVidia's finances) believed this? nVidia has never been anything but in the black, making millions every quarter for years and years AFAIK. ATI bled millions in losses for years until sometime last year when they first started making a profit"

"My Rev. 1 9700Pro had all kinds of wacky problems, as did everyone else's, necessitating Rev.2. (wouldn't run on many motherboards, rolling wavey lines) My rev.1 8500 retail couldn't run stable at default speeds, many others had the same problem So you see, when ATI either comes up with something new (8500) or buys it (9700), they have problems too"

"My bad. If you're one of the 8 people that got one, the X800 XT PE is a faster card with a 2 year old feature set."

" You are right there: they not only acquired tech they couldn't produce, they acquired the people who invented it. Perhaps the original ATI engineers got to design the dinosaur graphic for the fans, or the chrome bull for the box!"

If anyone new to this thread is wondering why Rollo's talking about how much he "loves his x800" and how he is defending ATI all the time, its because he was exposed a long time ago, (for those who didn't already know it) and it was patently clear which side of the fence this guy is on. He is anything but objective. He favors Nvidia's side of the debate 110% of the time, despite his campaign to prove otherwise. Moreover, he has gone out of his way to drag in ATI's past unrelated issues, and known problems and flaws into the debate to lessen the impact of the current PVP problem. That in large part is his defense of Nvidia, "well ATI had this problem and that problem, blah blah blah." I mean, it is true, ATI have had problems, no objective person would question it, but its got nothing to do with the current issue. And the thing that is completely absurd about it is just now that clown tries to tell someone else that they have no right to criticize Nvidia because "he doesn't work for one of the top two companies in their feild, and he doesn't know how "hard"[roll] it is to deliver" LOL HAve a look at Rollo's above criticisms of ATI and tell me he's not a complete hipocrit holding people to ridiculous standards. And he doesn't make absurd and contradictory arguments blatantly forgetting what he's said before. (that was what my last post said actually, the one Rollo didn't like too much)

 

[epking]

Originally posted by: jagerk

Originally posted by: Rollo
Be confused no more: the 6800 PCIE is based on the nV41 chip, the 6800 AGP is in the same boat as the GT/Ultras, as you suspect.

This means the 6800NU PCIe is the best of both worlds, the "functional" VPU of the 6600GT agp/pcie, and the possibility to turn up the pipes like 6800 AGP. So, where do you buy these 6800NU PCIes? Ideally, for the same price of 6800AGP?

yes, I agree, the 6800std pci is most definately the best case scenario if you are interested in the on chip video processing like most of us in this thread is. Its too bad their flagship cards don't have it no? Anyways, i agree...I'm liking the pci 6800's because of the pvp reputed to be working and don't forget SLI capabilities. IMO< this is a fantastic bang for your buck possibility. I've not heard anything about the pci 6800's modding to 16 though, but that may well be true. It could be totally different though, since obviously the 6800pci is a different chipset than the GT and Ultra versions.

 

[Xionide]

Originally posted by: epking

Originally posted by: jagerk

Originally posted by: Rollo
Be confused no more: the 6800 PCIE is based on the nV41 chip, the 6800 AGP is in the same boat as the GT/Ultras, as you suspect.

This means the 6800NU PCIe is the best of both worlds, the "functional" VPU of the 6600GT agp/pcie, and the possibility to turn up the pipes like 6800 AGP. So, where do you buy these 6800NU PCIes? Ideally, for the same price of 6800AGP?

yes, I agree, the 6800std pci is most definately the best case scenario if you are interested in the on chip video processing like most of us in this thread is. Its too bad their flagship cards don't have it no? Anyways, i agree...I'm liking the pci 6800's because of the pvp reputed to be working and don't forget SLI capabilities. IMO< this is a fantastic bang for your buck possibility. I've not heard anything about the pci 6800's modding to 16 though, but that may well be true. It could be totally different though, since obviously the 6800pci is a different chipset than the GT and Ultra versions.

Correct me if I am wrong but I do believe the 6800 agp and the 6800 pcie are two different cores. unless they are using a bridge chip on the pcie version which would make sli incompatible. If it is a different core on the pcie version that is made natively to the pcie interface (which I am guessing since the pvp function does work on it, as far as we know) than no one can really know if the pipes can be unlocked. But I am guessing it can't be. Its all up in the air until we see somebody actually mess with it.

 

[flawlssdistortn]

Thanks for your response epking, despite the comments you made earlier in the thread. I tried to find them, but there's a lot of material to go through. I think i'll try out the software, and If I like it, then I'll pay the $20. This is a deal compared to WinDVD or PowerDVD which are around $60. The only thing is, PV does not decode surround sound for some odd reason.

 

[Xionide]

You have to turn it on in the options. go to C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\ForceWare\nStant Media open nstantmedia.exe go to settings then system settings then audio settings and select the speaker output. Also if this does not work you can purchase a higher end version of pv from nvidia that has more sound options.

 

[imported_humey]

A nice 6800 ultra E kills a ati x800 XT PE anyhow and is at least real dx9c / p.s 3.0 and real hdr not software version of p.s 2.0

Im runnig above ultra E speeds anyhow so my bandwidth will be more than any on this page.

http://www.hothardware.com/vie...rticleid=568&amp;cid=2

 

[nRollo]

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