GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[imported_humey]

OK its 13:30 GMT here in UK so i assume its also 1st dec 2004 everywhere in world by now.

Nvidia aint released this end of november driver, so in 1 week i will phone this Nvidia UK PR peep again and hear his story, i really must wait on a driver that claims to have TRUE VIDEO so i can then demand a total refund when it doesnt do what it says on box, and it claims on mines it does all with bells and whistles, from encoding/decoding wmv9/wmv hd and mpeg2/mpeg4 bla bla bla.

I got Nvidia by the balls if a driver comes out claiming to work and it dont as hardware is bugered.

Remember my cards prob 3-4week in my posssesion now. NEW

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Sigh. I have two 6800s as well? And want the same thing you do?

Of course your whole post is pointless speculation that wastes our time. You don't know it's a hardware issue that can't be fixed, you're just showing up here to say it is. The only way you could know is if you work at nVidia or are an engineer qualified to test the gpu- are you?

So you're just a guy out of nowhere who set up an account to spread FUD.

AFAIK the NDA on Pure Video ended yesterday. I'll email my buddy and see if I can post the documentation he sent me on it, get a reason why it's not on the front page of every web site this morning.

This is called being helpful, unlike say, setting up an account with a different name so you can post less rabid lies and speculation, or maybe just working in ATIs PR department and wanting to spread FUD?

Food for thought, 3 post "epking".

Stranger and stranger. When you first infested this thread you didn't have a 6800-based product at all and a "crappy system" that didn't bother mentioning. Moreover, anyone who even thought there was a problem was some sort of head-case as far as you were concerned. Now, a short time later, you have two flavors of 6800 and claim to "want the same thing everyone wants", though those who want it NOW are "apes impatient for their feeding." Something stinks in this scenario.

And here we have it again, you deriding others for speculation while you're free to quote your invisible friend at nVidia who just happens to paint one rosy picture after another, in the face of one NV PR flop after another. And you have the temerity to call someone else a company flak???

 

[Atif]

Hey guys,

I apologize for not checking in as regularly as I perhaps should have, but I decided to wait until the end of November before I contacted nVidia again. (I have NOT posted this update at my website simply because it doesn't seem like there's enough here to warrant a posting, so I'll just copy/paste it here) I went ahead and sent this e-mail out last night, and here's the reply I got back (from the same gentleman I interviewed earlier):

Atif

I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. I just wanted to check in with you and find out if you had a status update on the upcoming ForceWare driver that will implement WMV9 hardware decoding and MPEG-4 hardware decoding on the 6800GT AGP cards? I thank you again for your support of AtifApproved in the past and look forward to hearing from you again.

nVidia Reply

We do not announce driver dates. they are to hard to pin down. Look for it this month.

What I gather from this is a.) They are still hard at work on the driver, b.) They know that they missed the date. First an end of November date was given in my earlier interview but now (presumably because they're behind schedule) saying they don't announce driver dates

I will be in regular contact with nVidia over the next week or two to see if I can't get a detailed update of what's going on (though I wouldn't honestly expect much more info simply because they don't HAVE to give away the status of their inner-workings, and I respect that, long as the final driver works)

Peace

 

[Thermalrock]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Thermalrock
they took the video processor off the features list. its not functional. a patch cant fix broken hardware.

What are you talking about?

http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_on-chip-video.html

im talking about this:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_6800.html

its still a feature on the 6600s.... not on the 6800s....

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Atif
We do not announce driver dates. they are to hard to pin down. Look for it this month

Peace

I'd really like to see NV take the bull by the horns in this. Though your efforts are appreciated, they'd come off a lot better if they released information like this without having to be asked.

 

[Chippy99]

Originally posted by: Atif
I will be in regular contact with nVidia over the next week or two to see if I can't get a detailed update of what's going on (though I wouldn't honestly expect much more info simply because they don't HAVE to give away the status of their inner-workings, and I respect that, long as the final driver works)

We really haven't got any choice, have we. They have us by the short and curlies. If they can get the hardware at least partially working then great. But when???? And if they don't get it partially working, then what?

What's the realistic chances of a class action lawsuit? Well bearing in mind that no-one actually bought a card from nVidia, I'd say there's NO chance. We all bought from hundreds of different retailers. Our contracts are all with them. Its them we'd have to sue. Coordinating all of this is just not going to happen. Even if someone decided to have a go at one of the OEM manufacturers, like say BFG, what good would that do? Not that I can see it happening anyway. But assuming it did, BFG would have to sue nVidia and I can't see that happening. More likely they'd just cough up some compensation. And that wouldn't help (say) Asus users at all.

Since the whole supply chain is fragmented like this I think the realistic possibility of anyone *forcing* nVidia to do the honourable thing is zero. And they know this. For the moment they are allegedly working on some kind of fix. But if that proves too difficult, or too time consuming and they get distracted by GF6900 developments or GF7000 developments, then we are all stuffed. Sad but true, I fear.

Chip

 

[MornNB]

If Nvidia makes a new revision of the core with WMV decode, I'll be satisfied.
Would you rather they slow down progress and have waited another 2 months or more for them to get the VPU properly working. I mean man, they used to be the market leader and now they have ATI out selling them. They can't afford to be late with a release.
I do object to their false advertising though, that probably warrants a legal case. But really I don't think it's a major problem, the mpeg 2 acceleration works perfectly, and WMV HD decode can be handled by modern CPU's and produce the exact same result, it's silly to compare it to say if they made the GPU without T&L. A lack of T&L would reduce performance by about 400% for just about everything and the CPU could not handle the load for many games. This is also not comparable to having a car without working air conditioning. This is more like having a missing 5th gear, you can still drive the car just fine, but you have less fuel efficiency. And it still drives as fast as anything out there.

 

[HardWarrior]

There's very little chance that a class action would net anything. I'm sure based on NV's behavior so far, that they have the legal aspects of this all sorted out in their favor. The most realistic option would seem to be dealing with the respective OEM's in terms of individual compensation. RMA's for next gen cards with something off in terms price or discount vouchers for retail purchases would be a viable option. As for me, I'm going to vote with my feet if I'm not satisfied with whatever resolution materializes. That means going back to ATI and NEVER buying another NV card with reading several reviews and giving NV products extended dwell time.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

But really I don't think it's a major problem, the mpeg 2 acceleration works perfectly, and WMV HD decode can be handled by modern CPU's and produce the exact same result, it's silly to compare it to say if they made the GPU without T&L.

You are mistaken. With a few rare exceptions a stock XP 3200+ or A64 2800+ system combined with a 6800series AGP cannot playback WMV HD 1080 without dropping frames, and for some it is a slideshow. My dual 242 opteron system@1.725ghz with a 6800GT cannot play it smoothly, that is just flatout ridiculous :disgust:

 

[nRollo]

Sorry to leave you guys hanging on this, my buddy is checking with the powers that be on me posting the specs of Pure Video.

I'm guessing it won't be happening, because we would have seen it all over the web today if the NDA was lifted and it was done.

Special note to my admirer:

Stranger and stranger. When you first infested this thread you didn't have a 6800-based product at all

For such a fan, I'm surprised you don't remember when my

invisible friend at nVidia

hooked me up with a reference 6800NU before they were available and I posted all those benchmarks to help people decide on the product? Or when I used the 6800NU to post benchmarks of the first Far Cry SM3 patch over a month before reviews of it hit the web? (again provided by my

invisible friend at nVidia

) Or when I posted my 6800NU/6800NU Unlocked/6800GT benches to help people see what Rivatuner did for them? I'm actually using my "imaginary" 6800NU right now, as I'm selling my GT to a buddy in preparation for better things to come.

and a "crappy system" that didn't bother mentioning.

I don't buy

crappy systems

. My system is already better than yours, I will be upgrading very soon. Look for some SLI or Ultra benches to come.

Moreover, anyone who even thought there was a problem was some sort of head-case as far as you were concerned. Now, a short time later, you have two flavors of 6800 and claim to "want the same thing everyone wants",

I had no need of video encoding then, I got a Creative Zen Media Player since. I really thought one flavor of encode/decode wasn't that big a deal at the time.

though those who want it NOW are "apes impatient for their feeding." Something stinks in this scenario.

It was an amusing figure speech, I wasn't calling anyone an ape.

Bummer, biggest fan. Looks like you don't have much straight, as usual? You can go back to your hostile pointless insults now. I picture you as some kind of pariah who comes here to post rabid attacks on people, a sort of latter day Grinch. Happy Holidays, Mr. Grinch!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Here you go Rollo Text add a couple of 6800GTs and you should be cookin' wit fire BTw, I thought the ape+banana thing was for me I do get angry when the bananas aren't ripe....

 

[carage]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Here you go Rollo Text add a couple of 6800GTs and you should be cookin' wit fire BTw, I thought the ape+banana thing was for me I do get angry when the bananas aren't ripe....

It's out of stock anyway...
Besides, chances are the PCI-E 6800 GTs have the same problem because it is still the same chip just with a HSI.

 

[HardWarrior]

Cutesy phraseology and BS aside, you?re a world-class self-aggrandizer, Rollo. You SEEM to lie in an effort to inflate yourself beyond measure, in order to fill a hole in you that craves the admiration of strangers. As such, nothing you say has any weight. From your juvenile jibes to your claims of ?insider information? to your inane, gibbering attacks on anyone who just wants what they paid for, it?s all smoke.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Here you go Rollo Text add a couple of 6800GTs and you should be cookin' wit fire BTw, I thought the ape+banana thing was for me I do get angry when the bananas aren't ripe....

LOL- I'd loan the man who got me a 5800Ultra my last $10. Punisher, I'd set up an American flag store in Iraq before I'd flame you.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Cutesy phraseology and BS aside, you?re a world-class self-aggrandizer, Rollo. You SEEM to lie in an effort to inflate yourself beyond measure, in order to fill a hole in you that craves the admiration of strangers. As such, nothing you say has any weight. From your juvenile jibes to your claims of ?insider information? to your inane, gibbering attacks on anyone who just wants what they paid for, it?s all smoke.

LOL- yeah, I'm a regular Walter Mitty with all my "fabulous" tales of getting a 6800 and some patches early. :roll:
They'll probably make a book of my "fantastic" adventures!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Right back at ya brudda :beer:<--- Old Rasputin

I rather enjoy being an Ape though, in some forums my custom tag is 400lbs Gorilla

 

[carage]

I hope everyone can just backoff the personal attacks a bit.
It is certainly unfair to pin nVidia's mistake on one person or deflect our anger all to Rollo.
Perhaps he is just trying to help, perhaps he is just doing his job, we don't know for sure.
I know what it's like to be held back by an NDA and seeing stuff you can't talk about.
If you ever worked in the legal, accounting, R&amp;D, sometimes even sales department of any major company, you would know for sure what it feels like.
However, telling us information that doesn't materialize is just as bad as pure misinformation.
Maybe time will tell that we were wrong, maybe tonight we would realize we owe Rollo an apology. Depending on how pissed you are and the fucntionality of the fix, we might even thank nVidia's driver team for getting it done. Or if it is as helpless as some people claim, nVidia decides to offer us a substantial coupon of sorts, we might also thank nVidia for doing the right thing and everyone would be happy.

 

[HardWarrior]

I want my card to conform to the specs listed on the box, that's all. Bashing anyone who wants this as well seems at the heart of everything you've said so far. It's annoying to have to hear how stupid I am, ad nausem, because I feel this way, Rollo. Your antics just aren't as funny or engaging as you seem to think they are under these conditions. If you're willing to call an end to this I am too, but please, just TRY to stop insulting and belittling anyone who doesn't express themselves just like you want them to. As I mentioned, it's VERY annoying when I consider the $400 I spent.

 

[imported_humey]

download (english): ftp://download.nvidia.com/Wind...03_win2kxp_english.exe

download (international): ftp://download.nvidia.com/Wind...2kxp_international.exe

is this magical driver we all want on ftp ?

LETS all get cracking

 

[bigpow]

NVIDIA has been cheating since quite some time.
Cheating 3DMark score, AA/Bilinear/trilinear thingy, Nforce2 (&amp; Nforce2 Ultra), now PVP on 6800

 

[perillo34]

cheating ok..... sure......... I believe you bah.

 

[imported_humey]

New driver i posted above does shit, 93% cpu use in wmp10 and i tried in powerdvd6 which supports hd aswell and its 88% with ans without tick in box for use hardware acceleration.

so new driver if it is the one they talked about does shit, gpu temps stay still, cpu near max %

 

[imported_humey]

http://nzone.com/object/nzone_...ds_winxp_2k_67.03.html

just found out its beta and its to sort things listed there not our problems.

 

[neo229]

Originally posted by: MornNB
Would you rather they slow down progress and have waited another 2 months or more for them to get the ...
I do object to their false advertising though, that probably warrants a legal case.

That's the rub. If NVidia had simply left the VPU out of the marketing material everyone would be happy. There'd be no expectation of video acceleration beyond the norm, but the marketing machine talked it up so much.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
I want my card to conform to the specs listed on the box, that's all. Bashing anyone who wants this as well seems at the heart of everything you've said so far. It's annoying to have to hear how stupid I am, ad nausem, because I feel this way, Rollo. Your antics just aren't as funny or engaging as you seem to think they are under these conditions. If you're willing to call an end to this I am too, but please, just TRY to stop insulting and belittling anyone who doesn't express themselves just like you want them to. As I mentioned, it's VERY annoying when I consider the $400 I spent.

I don't want to be involved in flame wars with anyone, you'll get no sarcasm from me if none is directed at me.

Carage:

Perhaps he is just trying to help, perhaps he is just doing his job, we don't know for sure.

I think it would be a blast to work for nVidia or ATI, the software firm I work for has nothing to do with the gaming industry.
I'm just a gamer like you who has a friend that is lucky enough to work at nVidia and gets some info from time to time.