Geforce 7800 GTX AGP Petition

[imported_humey]

Rolla thats wrong cause everyone will be making new Shallow CRT's soon after Samsung if they license it, they are far superior like current CRT is to tftlcd crap but use less power and are slimmer, but not as slim as the SED's which can be 1/2 that of current tftlcd panels, just like the screens in 3rd gen mobile phones (cell phones)

I will never own a tftlcd and i would hope as your a high end gpu buyer Rolla you wouldnt waste £800-£1000 on 2x gpus to run a tftlcd.

This thread aint about CRT or LCD anyhow, but AGP.

I bought a very expensive card last year and i dont expect to need to change all my hardware to use these new ones, i want 2 years out my parts.

You and i both know there is gonna be AGP's avail, not Nvidia nor ATI cant afford money wise to lose all potentual customers in simular situ to me that are high end users as not to many peeps buy the flagship models compaired to low end, most bought 6600's/6800GT's Cards last time on AGP not 6800 Ultras, and its same for pci-e, many will not get the GTX but lower cards.

Added to fact if Nvidia dont make AGP, ATI will and steal all sales/customers, and same goes if the roles are reveresed.

 

[nRollo]

Humey, you're preaching to the choir. I only own CRTs.

However, I don't think nVs current position limiting 7800s to the PCIE market is somehow going to harm them.

The card costs $600, and I would guess most of the market for $600 video cards has shifted to PCIE by now.

If they haven't, selling their old board for $50 and adding $50 to it will get the job done? It's not like it's a costly upgrade- even SLI motherboards are down to $140 and dropping lower soon.

 

[imported_humey]

Rollo, i know you aint as dumb as some here but ive said this about 6x now, please read.

A new mobo for pci-e aint the problem, it may cost from £80-£150 max, you still need a 939pin AMD 64 to go with it and the peeps may not have current pc3200 ram (which is still a waste on these new NF4 as they hit 300/600 HT + )

Added to fact you should buy a 24pin ATX 2.0 PSU with enough juice to run 2x cards in SLI (im not and noone is saying you must have ATX 2.0 but a peep burnt out his ATX 1.0 using the pci-e to molex adapters for his GPU(s), and you will need plug in a 20pin to 24pin adapter to main mobo socket.

Rollo i knew you use CRT and as you pay for top cards i dont blame you, but my rig cost more right now than most new amd 64 set ups (not flagship models obv), i want 1 year more approx out it and wont be using pci-e and being forced to buy new parts every year by any manu's.

I know for a fact i will be given a AGP card by Nvidia/Chaintech its just a waiting game for me and Trading Standards UK, the 7800GTX they did offer obv aint about as they both know i need AGP, so i can guess there in the pipeline, if its still under price i paid for the 6800Ultra + fact they owe me for screwing me i will still say no and want Ultra or whatever comes after ATI launch, even if it means i add some cash to it, or they give me as guesture of goodwill.

At end of day i dont look for stuff for nothing or free, if my 6800Ultra PvP worked fully i would have no legal case and be happy.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: humey
Rollo, i know you aint as dumb as some here but ive said this about 6x now, please read.

A new mobo for pci-e aint the problem, it may cost from £80-£150 max, you still need a 939pin AMD 64 to go with it and the peeps may not have current pc3200 ram (which is still a waste on these new NF4 as they hit 300/600 HT + )

Added to fact you should buy a 24pin ATX 2.0 PSU with enough juice to run 2x cards in SLI (im not and noone is saying you must have ATX 2.0 but a peep burnt out his ATX 1.0 using the pci-e to molex adapters for his GPU(s), and you will need plug in a 20pin to 24pin adapter to main mobo socket.

Rollo i knew you use CRT and as you pay for top cards i dont blame you, but my rig cost more right now than most new amd 64 set ups (not flagship models obv), i want 1 year more approx out it and wont be using pci-e and being forced to buy new parts every year by any manu's.

I know for a fact i will be given a AGP card by Nvidia/Chaintech its just a waiting game for me and Trading Standards UK, the 7800GTX they did offer obv aint about as they both know i need AGP, so i can guess there in the pipeline, if its still under price i paid for the 6800Ultra + fact they owe me for screwing me i will still say no and want Ultra or whatever comes after ATI launch, even if it means i add some cash to it, or they give me as guesture of goodwill.

At end of day i dont look for stuff for nothing or free, if my 6800Ultra PvP worked fully i would have no legal case and be happy.

On your side when it comes to AGP humey. For now. But please stop leaving words out of your sentences and type the whole damn thing will ya? And a period here and there wouldn't hurt.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: humey
All the idiots that want AGP dead dont have a damn clue, this thread aint for you.

The AMD 4800X2 was CPU limited in the review with 1 of the 7800GTX's never mind both in SLI, so if that CPU is bottleneck so is any other on planet.

Added to fact Rollo how is CRT dead, its still the best picture especially if for HDTV and if you did your homework you would know from good sites that TFTLCD will never be no 1 in the market as in 2006 SED's and Shallow CRT (yes same CRT as now using Carbon) are to be in the stores from Samsung.

Added to fact what of us that spent a fortune last year to get current hardware, we cant afford to write of this and buy yet again, i will wait 1 year, every 2 years is enough for me as i aint rich, i bet the n00bs crying out for AGP to die now are due a upgrade anyhow, so its sensable to buy pci-e for that set up, but ive waited this long i can hold out for 2nd gen AMD chips with ddr2. (early 2006)

Added to the fact has anyone here even though about the fact that some peeps maby just cant afford to get all new parts for PC ?.

Im fed up with n00bs like the above peep saying "if you can afford a 7800GTX, you can afford a new mobo", how many f00king times do i need to tell you n00bs that some peeps will need the new mobo and new CPU and new ATX 2.0 PSU and in some cases new ram, they may have the £450 saved up for a GPU but not that added to more fo the parts i just mentioned. no wonder i hardly spoke during all this pre 7800GTX release, cause all i read is bollocks, and this CPU limited talk, i thought i was told i talk crap many months ago when i said new games are more and more using the CPU aswell as the GPU, i remember some well known peeps here slated me, well i see many posts all mentioning it now that CPU aswell as GPU need to be powerful for more and more games.

Stop hijacking threads you lamers and get a life, either sign the petition or get to f00k out this thread and make up a ANTI AGP thread on your own.

1) AGP is dying.
2) Let it go.
3) Good riddance.

I'm pretty much all for the exclusion of AGP this time around mainly because it makes AGP-people mad.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: humey
All the idiots that want AGP dead dont have a damn clue, this thread aint for you.

The AMD 4800X2 was CPU limited in the review with 1 of the 7800GTX's never mind both in SLI, so if that CPU is bottleneck so is any other on planet.

Added to fact Rollo how is CRT dead, its still the best picture especially if for HDTV and if you did your homework you would know from good sites that TFTLCD will never be no 1 in the market as in 2006 SED's and Shallow CRT (yes same CRT as now using Carbon) are to be in the stores from Samsung.

Added to fact what of us that spent a fortune last year to get current hardware, we cant afford to write of this and buy yet again, i will wait 1 year, every 2 years is enough for me as i aint rich, i bet the n00bs crying out for AGP to die now are due a upgrade anyhow, so its sensable to buy pci-e for that set up, but ive waited this long i can hold out for 2nd gen AMD chips with ddr2. (early 2006)

Added to the fact has anyone here even though about the fact that some peeps maby just cant afford to get all new parts for PC ?.

Im fed up with n00bs like the above peep saying "if you can afford a 7800GTX, you can afford a new mobo", how many f00king times do i need to tell you n00bs that some peeps will need the new mobo and new CPU and new ATX 2.0 PSU and in some cases new ram, they may have the £450 saved up for a GPU but not that added to more fo the parts i just mentioned. no wonder i hardly spoke during all this pre 7800GTX release, cause all i read is bollocks, and this CPU limited talk, i thought i was told i talk crap many months ago when i said new games are more and more using the CPU aswell as the GPU, i remember some well known peeps here slated me, well i see many posts all mentioning it now that CPU aswell as GPU need to be powerful for more and more games.

Stop hijacking threads you lamers and get a life, either sign the petition or get to f00k out this thread and make up a ANTI AGP thread on your own.

1) AGP is dying.
2) Let it go.
3) Good riddance.

I'm pretty much all for the exclusion of AGP this time around mainly because it makes AGP-people mad.

Wow, that's deep.

 

[McArra]

Nforce 3 is very powerfull, FX-51 940 is very powerfull, DFI is releasing another Nforce 3 s939 solution.... And PCI-E has no performance crown, except in SLI. In single PCI-E = AGP in performance. So for me an upgrade to Nforce 4 is pointless, stupid if you already have a very powerfull platform. I won't pay more for a motherboard when mine is as powerfull as any PCI-E MoBo (except SLI, which I wouldn't use anyway).

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: humey
Rollo, i know you aint as dumb as some here but ive said this about 6x now, please read.

A new mobo for pci-e aint the problem, it may cost from £80-£150 max, you still need a 939pin AMD 64 to go with it and the peeps may not have current pc3200 ram (which is still a waste on these new NF4 as they hit 300/600 HT + )

Added to fact you should buy a 24pin ATX 2.0 PSU with enough juice to run 2x cards in SLI (im not and noone is saying you must have ATX 2.0 but a peep burnt out his ATX 1.0 using the pci-e to molex adapters for his GPU(s), and you will need plug in a 20pin to 24pin adapter to main mobo socket.

Humey- that's what I'm saying- you don't HAVE to buy anything other than a new motherboard to go PCIE? (AFAIK)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130493

$72 for a nForce 4 S754 motherboard? Supports PC2700?
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo3-F&class=mb

I'm suggesting that if a guy doesn't have the difference between $72 and what he can sell his AGP motherboard for, he's probably not a candidate for a $600 video card.

Upgrading to PCIE is almost free. People who have $600 for a vid card can afford it.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: humey
Rollo, i know you aint as dumb as some here but ive said this about 6x now, please read.

A new mobo for pci-e aint the problem, it may cost from £80-£150 max, you still need a 939pin AMD 64 to go with it and the peeps may not have current pc3200 ram (which is still a waste on these new NF4 as they hit 300/600 HT + )

Added to fact you should buy a 24pin ATX 2.0 PSU with enough juice to run 2x cards in SLI (im not and noone is saying you must have ATX 2.0 but a peep burnt out his ATX 1.0 using the pci-e to molex adapters for his GPU(s), and you will need plug in a 20pin to 24pin adapter to main mobo socket.

Humey- that's what I'm saying- you don't HAVE to buy anything other than a new motherboard to go PCIE? (AFAIK)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130493

$72 for a nForce 4 S754 motherboard? Supports PC2700?
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo3-F&class=mb

I'm suggesting that if a guy doesn't have the difference between $72 and what he can sell his AGP motherboard for, he's probably not a candidate for a $600 video card.

Upgrading to PCIE is almost free. People who have $600 for a vid card can afford it.

QFT

I think there is a PCI-e mobo for every recent socket there is except Socket A. I think.
I know Albatron makes a SKT 478 915 chipset mobo thats PCI-e. 99 bucks.

 

[imported_humey]

Who the hell in their right mind is gonna buy a NF4 and amd 64 939pin and run it with PC2700, get a grip.

To run with no issues you will need ther mobo/ram at least PC3200 to use new amd 64 cpu fully (PC 2700 would be a waste of a good mobo/CPUS's bandwidth) and to run your pci-e GPU you will deff need ATX 2.0 PSU to do SLI and may risk braking your current ATX 1.0 PSU if you run 1 card with a pdi-e to molex adapter.

Its only the peeps on older out of date rigs that are now upgrading and want AGP dead, they werent the peeps who 1 year ago shelled out £1000's on hardware inc a 6800U AGP.

Anyone else thats due a upgrade should get pci-e (if they need the toal works inc mobo) but slating AGP is a n00bs outlook, games only just starting to use full bandwidth of APG 8x now never mind pci-e if only one card use non SLI.

The peeps who post with dry comments like

1)AGP dead
2)pci-e mobo not cost much
3)etc etc

They are total n00bs in my book.

Some peeps may not be able to afford a upgrade every 1-2years and stretched their wallets for new build on the N40's, some aint as lucky or fortunate as others.

 

[Mrvile]

I can't sign because:

1. It wants my email.
2. Although I currently use AGP, my next upgrade will include a new motherboard and PCI-e video card anyway, so what's the point? It's just prolonging the inevitable.

 

[imported_humey]

BTW, i signed it and i aint got spam and thats over 1 week, its only needed to enter your email to make sure your legit and not just clicking on some webpage 100x each user (sure you could reg your vote 1x per mail addy)

You recieve a confirmation mail in reply and delete it and thats it, forget about it no spam.

 

[Waylay00]

What's that Doritos commercial slogan? If not now, when? That applies here.

INNW?

 

[Waylay00]

Originally posted by: humey
how many f00king times do i need to tell you n00bs that some peeps will need the new mobo and new CPU and new ATX 2.0 PSU and in some cases new ram, they may have the £450 saved up for a GPU but not that added to more fo the parts i just mentioned.

Why would you have to buy all new parts? NF4 boards are exactly the same as the NF3 boards, only with PCIe and SATA 2. True, NF4 "requires" an ATX V 2.0 PSU. But most NF4 boards will work with an older PSU just fine. Why would you have to get a new CPU? Wy would you need to get new RAM?

Originally posted by: humey
Stop hijacking threads you lamers and get a life, either sign the petition or get to f00k out this thread and make up a ANTI AGP thread on your own.

I don't see how this is hijacking. This is a valid argument against the petition.

 

[McArra]

Why would you have to buy all new parts? NF4 boards are exactly the same as the NF3 boards, only with PCIe and SATA 2. True, NF4 "requires" an ATX V 2.0 PSU. But most NF4 boards will work with an older PSU just fine. Why would you have to get a new CPU? Wy would you need to get new RAM?

There you have it. Nforce 3 is very powerfull, why sidegrade when there's no performance difference between AGP and PCI-E???

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Mesix
Just get a new motherboard.

or for the poeple who own high end socket 939

get a new CPU, new RAM, and a new motherboard.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: JBT
Just let AGP die. If you want cutting edge you've got to get new stuff...

QFT.

Athlon X2? Sucket 939 with nForce 3 will do that I think.
DDR? That's fairly old school, don't need that "new" DDR2 stuff yet.
Etc etc.

All you "gamers" probably use an Athlon proc, but you don't complain about lack of BTX or lack of DDR2 for the Athlon, yet you do complain when people want AGP cards.
Now, you may say "there's nothing wrong with ATX or DDR, so BTX and DDR2 are pointless and no better".
SAME FOR PCI-Express. Sure, if you want super extra stuff like SLI you need it, but when you are pretty CPU limited with a single 7800GTX, what does it matter? Answer: It doesn't, you don't need SLI when you're mostly gonna be CPU limited.
And if CRT's are old hat, then you only need 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 for a lot of monitors, so you don't need even higher resolutions, so again, a single 7800GTX would be enough for you.

 

[imported_humey]

Waylay00, Cant you read?

I am on a very highly overclocked 2.8gig@225/450fsb amd 32bit rig on NF2, i would need new mobo and cpu and a atx 2.0 psu

My ram is good to 500mhz so i could at least use it but i would want more speed so probably have to buy new ddr550 ram.

Some others are on NF3 socket 754 so would need a new cpu and possibly ram if not running pc3200 now, and some peeps claimed you could buy PC2700 and quaoted prices, what a waste as the cpu has a 200/400HT (fsb ) and can run 300/600Ht easily on a NF4 with venice core cpu.

You obv aint did your homework

You are still in this thread talking crap instead of signing as topic ask not to troll/flame AGP.

The funny thing is for all AGP hating n00bs out there, is there will be AGP card out from both Nvidia and ATI, this posibley will be last we will see high end AGP though and i can live with that after i shelled out more than the average joe for a GPU last year, most will never buy or own a flagship model card.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: humey
Waylay00, Cant you read?

I am on a very highly overclocked 2.8gig@225/450fsb amd 32bit rig on NF2, i would need new mobo and cpu and a atx 2.0 psu

My ram is good to 500mhz so i could at least use it but i would want more speed so probably have to buy new ddr550 ram.

Some others are on NF3 socket 754 so would need a new cpu and possibly ram if not running pc3200 now, and some peeps claimed you could buy PC2700 and quaoted prices, what a waste as the cpu has a 200/400HT (fsb ) and can run 300/600Ht easily on a NF4 with venice core cpu.

You obv aint did your homework

You are still in this thread talking crap instead of signing as topic ask not to troll/flame AGP.

The funny thing is for all AGP hating n00bs out there, is there will be AGP card out from both Nvidia and ATI, this posibley will be last we will see high end AGP though and i can live with that after i shelled out more than the average joe for a GPU last year, most will never buy or own a flagship model card.

Humey, no offense, but you're really fighting a losing battle here. AGP is pretty much dead for the high end.

I'm not a NooB, and I've done my homework. There are very few people I would think wanting to mate an Athlon XP of ANY sort with a 7800GTX. How many people who buy $600 video cards need to pair them with a cpu of that vintage/performance level?

Like I said, anyone with any A64 and any modern RAM can have a fully featured nForce4 motherboard.

You're taking a very microcosmic view of the situation, it's time to move on from AGP and let it R.I.P.. No offense intended, just friendly advice.

 

[imported_TheRipper]

This is pointless really, either Nvidia or ATI will see the market and release an AGP version this gen or they won't. I am laying in wait for the first that does it, until then my 6800GT is fine.

Now if niether do it, by the time my 6800GT is no longer capable of playing the new games I'll be due for a mobo, ram, and card replacement anyhow.

I am betting on the fact that ATI releases an AGP version this gen and forces Nvidia's hand. If not in 2 years I'll upgrade the whole system. This isn't about 3DMarks anymore as far as I am concerned, it is about playability. My system is pretty decent, I'll post it but the deal is just what I have stated, one will make the AGP and force the other or they will band together and kill AGP. There is a market but.................

AMD 3700+SD @ 2816
Asus A8V-deluxe
BFG6800GT OC @ 424/1150
Antec true 430
2x512 Corsair XMS 3200

As I said, I can play anything at the moment and I figure for 2 more years. That is pretty much my upgrade cycle anyhow. That is unless I kill something with an OC.

 

[imported_humey]

Rollo thats rubbish and you know it, i wont use SLI, and pci-e dont offer anymore speed than agp8x today for 1 gpu, and i dont need amd64 with 64bit windows yet as not all drivers and apps run it in and its kinda a waste to buy all that to run 32bit xp, you forget i tested this o/s from early alphas.

I will keep my current set up minus the gpu im owed and i will buy in 2006 when amd have 2nd gen cpus ready then all the ones on ddr1 will be pissed.

Rollo agp aint dead just cause you or others here say so, im used of reading crap here and i and others will be able to buy a 7800 range agp card soon if we choose.

Nvidia nor ATI will dump agp yet.

You all seem to think money grows on tres and tell others to dump there current high end high cost rigs, i know your a older guy with a job but i bet a lot here are n00b kids living with parents with no hair on their balls yet.

 

[imported_TheRipper]

Somebody will do it. Either ATI or Nvidia. It all depends on who wants to sell the cards to AGP'ers.

I am willing to bet they will both do a release. Nvidia will be forced by ATI I will imagine. After all Nvidia stands to make more money if allot of people buy Nforce based boards with PCIE, ATI will have some chipsets but they will also market to the older tech and force Nvidia.

This will be the last of the Mohicans though. The AGP versions will be available after about 3 months.

Didn't we go though this same sort of panic mode with the last round of cards?

I am good for 2 years even if nobody does it, but somebody will. I am sure of it, mark my words. Money talks and not everybody with an AGP board is going to run out and buy a new board.

Plus we have how many big box computers like Dell and HP out there? Nobody is going to toss their machine away for a graphics card.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: humey
Rollo thats rubbish and you know it, i wont use SLI, and pcie- dont offer anymore speed than agp8x today. and i dont need amd64 with 64bit windows yet as not all drivers and apps run it in and its kinda a waste to buy all that to run 32bit xp, you forget i tested this o/s from early alphas.

I will keep my current set up minus the gpu im owed and i will buy in 2006 when amd have 2nd gen cpus ready then all the ones on ddr1 will be pissed.

Rollo agp aint dead just cause you or others here say so, imused of reading crap here and i and others will be able to buy a 7800 range agp card soon if we choose.

Nvidia nor ATI will dump agp yet.

You all seem to think money grows on tres and tell others to dump there current high end high cost rigs, i know your a older guy with a job but i bet a lot here are n00b kids living with parents with no hair on their balls yet.

Humey- the motherboard I linked to wasn't SLI. No one is saying 1 PCIE is in anyway better than one AGP- just that for $72- the sale price of your current motherboard, this upgrade is almost free.

Athlon XPs time has come and gone, and AGPs time has come and gone.

It's time to move on if you want a 7800GTX.

 

[imported_humey]

I didnt look at link as i dont need a new mobo now.

Yes we have been here B4, with g4 ti 4200 and 4600, been given agp8x and named g 4 ti 4800's.

You all forget 1 aspect, agp4x lasted the longest time, agp8x aint that old and now we leave it for pci-e but pci-e isnt going to have a long life it will be replaced in few short years and you will all want sata 600 and sli2 and ddr3 etc etc to go with it LOL.

Oh and dont forget BX its raising its head again and lots of cases now can convert to BTX from ATX so be warned and thats another new PSU in BTX format. LOL

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: humey
I didnt look at link as i dont need a new mobo now.

Yes we have been here B4, with g4 ti 4200 and 4600, been given agp8x and named g 4 ti 4800's.

You all forget 1 aspect, agp4x lasted the longest time, agp8x aint that old and now we leave it for pci-e but pci-e isnt going to have a long life it will be replaced in few short years and you will all want sata 600 and sli2 and ddr3 etc etc to go with it LOL.

Oh and dont forget BX its raising its head again and lots of cases now can convert to BTX from ATX so be warned and thats another new PSU in BTX format. LOL

Heh- it's the nature of it and the reason my friends think I have a very understanding wife.