Geforce 7800GTX Confirmed Specs + Picture

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Sentential
430MHz Clock Speed
24 pixel pipelines
8 vertex shaders
Shader Model 3.0
1.4ghz DDR3
256MB of RAM

http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1117060919.jpg

hmmm i dunno i still think them specs are a little tooo modest

If these specs are right, the R520 is going to destroy the G70.

On paper, NV30 destroyed R300 too.

Until I get some benchmarks, all bets are off.

 

[Emultra]

Originally posted by: Emultra
What exactly does tone-mapping do?

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: ZimZum
TWIMTBP has nothing to do with engineering innovation. Its a marketing campaign. If you threw enough money at the game Devs they would plaster your logo on Splash screens as well.

Hardware TNL - Rendition V2200 was the first

SLI was the product of 3DFX. Not to mention we have yet to see AMR in action so at this point you can hardly say one is superior to the other. But ATI has had an SLI solution for professional graphics workstations for Years. They're just now making it available for the consumer market.

TWIMTBP is developer relations in addition to marketing - support with fixinf driver bugs, education on how to work with NV cards, etc.

Rendition V2200 is nice, but I meant TnL that actually worked

Yes, we all know the idea of linking consumer graphics boards together was done by 3dfx originally - I had a VooDoo2 SLI setup back in '98 - but the point is it died, and NV brought it back, now ATi is following suit.

What I'm getting down to is that between the two major players right now, one plays it substantially more risky than the other, which is what's needed.

More risky, perhaps. But none of the examples listed above qualify as "engineering innovation" from nVidia. The XBOX360 GPU is pretty innovative, unfortunately we wont see it on the PC side until the R600.

ATI was slated to release the R520 last gen but they pushed it back, supposedly they thought at the time it would be overkill compared to what nVidia was doing. In some respects I suppose they are more cautious then nVidia, but I'm sure both companies hold back to a certain degree.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ZimZum
ATI was slated to release the R520 last gen but they pushed it back, supposedly they thought at the time it would be overkill compared to what nVidia was doing. In some respects I suppose they are more cautious then nVidia, but I'm sure both companies hold back to a certain degree.

Errrr, don't think so.
A. ATI could barely get R420 out the door, let alone a new core.
B. I have to think they haven't liked watching nVidia sell 70% of the high end cards for the last year. Just a hunch.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: ZimZum
ATI was slated to release the R520 last gen but they pushed it back, supposedly they thought at the time it would be overkill compared to what nVidia was doing. In some respects I suppose they are more cautious then nVidia, but I'm sure both companies hold back to a certain degree.

You honestly believe this is/was the case?

The card wasn't ready then, period, and it still isn't ready now. It wasn't because they didn't think it was wise to blow nVidia out of the water, is was because they didn't have anything to throw at them last gen, and why, do you suppose, they had to scramble with the recent releases?

Come now, you give ATi way too much credit here.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: ZimZum
ATI was slated to release the R520 last gen but they pushed it back, supposedly they thought at the time it would be overkill compared to what nVidia was doing. In some respects I suppose they are more cautious then nVidia, but I'm sure both companies hold back to a certain degree.

You honestly believe this is/was the case?

The card wasn't ready then, period, and it still isn't ready now. It wasn't because they didn't think it was wise to blow nVidia out of the water, is was because they didn't have anything to throw at them last gen, and why, do you suppose, they had to scramble with the recent releases?

Come now, you give ATi way too much credit here.

No, no, they've just been holding their cards "close to the vest"; letting nVidia feel all secure being ahead of them in tech specs and speed (SLI).

When the time is right......ATI will pounce like a panther with the ace they've been holding back for just the right moment.

It would have been far too easy for them to just continue the success they had in the 9700, 9800 years. They wanted to let nVidia get their hopes up, then crush them!

LOL

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: Emultra
What exactly does tone-mapping do?

It just takes an FP16 framebuffer and maps it back into the color range that our monitors can handle - regular old 8-bit sRGB. I'm not familiar with the intricate details of the process but that's what it does.

 

[g3pro]

Man, this is gonna add a few inches to my e-penis. Before it was like this:

8======D

But now, it's like this:

8=============D

What exactly do you do with an e-penis? This.

 

[EightySix Four]

edit: one to many

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
4. I think you can make a very good case, for the 6800GT, or the X800XL. The 6800U, or the XT or XT/PE. As they are all pretty close in speed, save for a few games, with pricing being the biggest factor in the decision for me. Claiming there is no good reason to buy any ATi card right now, is just ignorance, plain and simple. Do you agree, or disagree?

I disagree, of course. nVidia gives you SM3.0, ATi doesn't. For those who want to claim that SM3.0 makes your frames slower and loses AA, you don't have to enable SM3.0 in game, and then the game is just as fast as ATi. You see, with nVidia, you can have your cake and eat it too. nVidia gives you choice, ATi tells you what your choice is.

nVidia renders the same scenes ATi does with less hardware shortcuts (precision, filtering FP truncuation, unrolling vertex shader loops on the cpu, not the gpu, no support for any shader branching at all, not even 2.0x branching) and is nearly always as fast or faster than ATi.

nVidia gives you the ability to play yesterdays titles well AND play tomorrows titles as well. ATi wants you to forget about "the future" (Hint to ATi - the future is here already, DX9.0c has been released for over a year already...) until they are ready to embrace it.

 

[EightySix Four]

Gstanfor, do you remember the leap from Geforce 4 ti4600 too the 9700 pro, that was a bigger leap than the sm2 to sm3. They're gonna do this, back and forth, back and forth now that ATi has actually played with the big boys they're gonna want more (remember the P.O.S radeon 8500?)

 

[Gstanfor]

Yes, I remember R300. What's that got to do with thread (other than R420 being a tweaked R300)?

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: crazySOB297
This is about every one of those I could get to fit in this post with it making anywhere near sense... But the point is that yall are being F*CKING retarded. Yeah, I love ATI, but I have a nvidia, cuz that's the best card I could get at the moment I was purchasing. This flame war has lost any relevance to anyone except those few fighting in it... so stop trying to show your superiority... ROLLO we all know you have enough money to buy every graphics card available on the market right now and don't care about your power bill... SOME PEOPLE CARE... at the same time, everyone should realise that's rollo's stance and stop arguing... so just STFU please... your makin threads that should be interesting about hardware into e-penis battles...

Hi.


I'm John.


Welcome to the internet. You must be new here.

*shakes hand*

 

[Budarow]

Any idea what 2 bills will buy in the next generation of ATI/nVidia cards? I can't seem to find even a hint at msrp pricing.

I got burnt last year by buying 2 9800 pros and 1 fx5900 because I firmly believed the "next generation" of cards would not yield a mid-range card which would be faster than the previous year's "top end" cards. I was dead wrong with that assumption (e.g., 6600GT).

Thanks,

Bud

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: crazySOB297
Can I join this flamewar? I'll follow the rules posted here.

Guys, I heard that because of all the power consumption of these video cards, the internet is going to die!

Rollo is a freakin nazi.

Where did you guys learn to spell... obviously the ati and nvidia marketing department, wtf is a "radeon" and who the hell came up with "nvidia"?

Yall are freakin (edit: that was meant to be sent in a PM to a friend)

You guys gotta stop sending your spam bots after my email address with all your ATi v.s. nVIDIA fud.

I'm a freakin 15 y/o who's going to be a sophomore, how can your credentials get close to topping that!?

Rollo, man you needa stop being so sensitive about the ati v.s. nvidia isuue. I know your a sensitive guy and all, but calm down. It's not like someone shot your dog.

All that stuff I said about you rollo is just a joke, you have zero sense of humor and need to calm down.

On the power issue, no one can give facts, everyone has biased opinions so shut-up.

BTW: no one needs to look up those articles about power consumption, our memory is all perfect.

I want you to prove every statement you've made in this entire thread.




This is about every one of those I could get to fit in this post with it making anywhere near sense... But the point is that yall are being F*CKING retarded. Yeah, I love ATI, but I have a nvidia, cuz that's the best card I could get at the moment I was purchasing. This flame war has lost any relevance to anyone except those few fighting in it... so stop trying to show your superiority... ROLLO we all know you have enough money to buy every graphics card available on the market right now and don't care about your power bill... SOME PEOPLE CARE... at the same time, everyone should realise that's rollo's stance and stop arguing... so just STFU please... your makin threads that should be interesting about hardware into e-penis battles...

Ok. That entire post did absolutely nothing for or against this thread. Hell, i cant even understand what you are saying

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Also it seems that Anands COmputex article sort of squashed that picture. Just looking at the picture they gave showing the DVI connectors, the card is not that long in the back ground.

-Kevin

 

[Dukemaster]

We'll just see if a 7800gtx is worth my money. If the R520 get's 32 pipes it's byebye Nvidia anyway....

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Dukemaster
We'll just see if a 7800gtx is worth my money. If the R520 get's 32 pipes it's byebye Nvidia anyway....

Where'd you get your crystal ball? I want one.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Ronin
Specs are false. That's all I have to say. Same crap we saw 2 or so weeks ago that won't go away.

^^

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Also it seems that Anands COmputex article sort of squashed that picture. Just looking at the picture they gave showing the DVI connectors, the card is not that long in the back ground.

-Kevin

You're basing the size of the card on a focused shot of the DVI ports?
I don't know how you're able to determine the size of the card using extremely blurry picture depth.

Just wait until we get real pictures of it when it's released.

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
It was a good gamble from nVidia to include SM 3.0 into their latest generation.

And it worked, because most of the people who bought, or want to buy a 6800 series GeFroce GPU usually do so with the excuse of "investment". So that they have SM 3.0 the day it will be in use, fully, or not.

In my opinion, nVidia fooled them big time, and got their money.

By the time games that uses SM 3.0 fully, or not even fully, the new generation will be out, and their "investment" excuse will fall into darkness. Technically speaking, there's what, one, two or three games ? That use SM 3.0 OFFICIALLY, WITHOUT modifying game files ? I know there is Painkiller, with a patch, and that's it.

And, buying a game because the game has SM 3.0 is not the reason to buy it.

You buy a game because its essential features and context are interesting you. The supported visual features are pure extras.

But again ... people fall for that. And give money blindly. In my humble opinion.

I wanted to buy one of ATi X800 series GPU, and then, I told to myself "oh, SM 3.0 huh ? hmmm...why not".

But after more thinking I said to myself "oh c'mon ... not mass support, and barely official support for SM 3.0 so far, and that UltraShadow II feature only good for two games including Doom 3, I mean, I don't shell out $300 to even $500 for the sake of being able to run two or three games at their highest settings, and then stop playing them because they're eventually and usually, ultimately linear and boring, unless there is a good multi-player mode".

Really ...

So I stayed with my 9800 Pro, which does the job extremely well, at good resolutions.

I'm waiting for R520 out of curiosity, first. Then, I might hype myself once it is officially revealed and benchmarked.

I'm not saying nVidia GPUs are "crap", overall. No. I'm just saying that even though they're good, they feature stuff that people fall for, just like a prey going straight into the trap. They got your money for your "investment" reasoning. They got it.

Your argument about SM3 works exactly the same way with the 9700/9800 series from ATI and SM2 vs. the FX series from NV and its lackluster SM2 performance (comparitively low enough to be considered non-existent). By the time any significant number of SM2 games hit the market, the next gen was out already with far better SM2 performance (over double the performance in many cases). It's just the way technological progression works. But unless somebody/some company takes the jump (and consumers buy into it), technology will never progress in terms of added features.

 

[kamaboko]

The card will double as a surfboard when it gets out classed in the future.

 

[Steelski]

Here you go boys,
A link to a more informing site about the card.
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=3&id=1603

we will probably learn a lot more tomorow though.

 

[zendari]

I hope they do dual slot solutions without charging more for them. I personally don't give a damn about the slot, but if it can keep the card cooled better I'd much prefer that.

 

[Gamingphreek]

By the time games that uses SM 3.0 fully, or not even fully, the new generation will be out, and their "investment" excuse will fall into darkness.

Yes but what everyone is forgetting is that people do not upgrade every single generation. I had a Geforce 2Ti before i got my current card. For the most part i upgrade every other generation.

As i say in most every thread with this discussion, ATI (in reference to the X800's) is better if you are going to upgrade first thing next gen. The 6800's, because they support some more advanced features (32bit FP Precision, SM3 etc...) will be better if you intend on skipping this next generation.

-Kevin