GeForce 9-series lineup revealed

[videogames101]

Well, it does have 9800 in it's name, so it's going to be a glorious card that pushes value and power to the limits and creates a legend of innovation and dominance in the GPU market.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Hmmm. We are still missing a "G90". We have G92 & G94. G96 will show up soon enough (9200/9300/9500). Wonder what happened to the good 'ol G90. Just thinking out loud here guys.

It morphed into G100, just like how the R400 became the R500 (Xbox 360 GPU), and then finally became the R600.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: videogames101
Well, it does have 9800 in it's name

I wonder if they're paying tribute to the R9700Pro. It too was a great card, only to be followed up by a GPU that was very similar and a little faster (maybe 25%).

 

[BFG10K]

a 64SP 9600GT being only 15-30% slower than a 112SP 8800GT, I think it is clear G92 is very limited by its 16 ROPs and 256-bit memory.

The 9600 GT has higher core and shader clocks than the 8800 GT.

9800 GTX can be at least 50% faster than 8800 GTX/Ultra.

I'd like it to be but I don't have high hopes. For one thing I don't see it being faster than the 9800 GX2 and that is purported to only be 30%-50% faster than a 8000 Ultra.

To me the 9800 GTX looks like a replacement for the 8800 Ultra/GTX with better thermals, marginally more performance and possibly a bit cheaper too.

I don't think we'll see a real upgrade until Q3-Q4 when nVidia's next single card GPU comes out.

 

[leexgx]

if the 9800 gtx other comes with 128 SP, i guess it should be close to 2x the speed of an 8800 gtx, but i guess we got to wait for them to come out

 

[BFG10K]

if the 9800 gtx other comes with 128 SP, i guess it should be close to 2x the speed of an 8800 gtx

The 8800 GTX already has 128SP so the 9800 GTX would need 256.

 

[taltamir]

he means that the 64 SP 9600 is so close to the 8800GT that whatever revisions they made were major, and thus a 128SP one should be twice as fast with the same core revisions...

Also, nvidia completely abandoned the G## scheme... so its not a G94 or 96 or whatever.. its a G9E, G9M etc...

And between march and april comes maple, not mapril... mmm... maple syrup....

 

[KhadgarTW]

The real problem is, the myst within G9x. G94/G96 should be reduced G92 TRADITIONALLY, but benches give us a unfavored answer
there is nothing reduced so mush performed so similar to its non-reduced one.
Therefore whether 9800 seires are structurally identical to 8800 or not are both rational
9800 can be slightly twitched 8800, because there is no other G9x available, or at least, acknowledged
9800 can still be much promising then 8800, because no company would make 9800 and 9600 have too close performace

It has strong reason to believe G94 (or G9P) is not a reduced G92 (or G9E), at least, not identical.
The clockspeed is clearly not the answer. 8800GT is only about 12% lower then 8800GT clockspeedwise
8800GT has more 48 SP or 75% more SP.
Saying something has 88% clockspeed and 175% SP is only 10%~15% faster then the counterpart is rediculous

9600GT gives us a glance about 9x00 series, and the result is not favored of "9800GT is nothing more than 8800GT" and similar is 9800GTX part,
so, hopefully, more and more hopefully, we can expect something can be called 9800 vera

 

[Tempered81]

NVIDIA has updated the GeForce 9 series roadmap and with it we can see not only the addition of the GeForce 9500 series, but also that GeForce 9800GX2 remains set for March 11. We've also found out that the highly anticipated GeForce 9800GT is slated for April 3. Before that, GeForce 9800GTX should arrive at the end of March. All GeForce 9 launches are scattered throughout Spring, and later in May, GeForce 9600GS will appear. GeForce 9500GT will surface in June, while the 9500GS should arrive one month after that.

Card Core Launch Price
GeForce 9800GX2 G92-450 March 11 <$599*
GeForce 9800GTX G92-420* Late March <$399*
GeForce 9800GT G92-x April 3 <$299*
GeForce 9600GT G94-300 Launched $179
GeForce 9600GS G94-x May -
GeForce 9500GT G96-300 June -
GeForce 9500GS G96-x July -

Card SPs GPU clock Bus Mem clock
GeForce 9800GX2 2x128 600MHz 256-bit 2000MHz
GeForce 9800GTX 128 750MHz+ 256-bit -
GeForce 9800GT 112* - 256-bit -
GeForce 9600GT 64 600MHz 256-bit 1800MHz
GeForce 9600GS - - - -
GeForce 9500GT 48* 650MHz* 128-bit 1800MHz*
GeForce 9500GS - - - -

 

[DreamMystic]

$599 is a rip off for a card that won't be much faster than a 3870x2.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: taltamir
he means that the 64 SP 9600 is so close to the 8800GT that whatever revisions they made were major, and thus a 128SP one should be twice as fast with the same core revisions...

Also, nvidia completely abandoned the G## scheme... so its not a G94 or 96 or whatever.. its a G9E, G9M etc...

And between march and april comes maple, not mapril... mmm... maple syrup....

Yeah, his post would be logical. Although the 9600 isn't very close to the 8800GTX at all with high resolutions and AF/AA. And if it were going to 32 ROPS 512bit memory interface and 128 SP. Then maybe we'd see 2x the 8800GTX.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: DreamMystic
$599 is a rip off for a card that won't be much faster than a 3870x2.

you don't really know that for sure though, so that claim can't be made.

anyway..

I'd be more interested in what the 9800GTX would be capable of considering the kind of performance the 9600 put up (equal if not better than a 3870).

How do you think the performance will compare to the current 8800 series(the g92 cores included)?

If I were to guess I would assume the performance scale would look something like this:

9800GX2: 15 to 30 percent faster than 8800 Ultra.
9800GTX: Equal to if not better than overclocked 8800 Ultra
9800GT: Equal to if not better than overclocked 8800GTS 512
9600GT: Equal to if not better than 3870.

 

[Tempered81]

thats pretty close quiksilver, I hope the gx2 is 50% faster than an ultra, since a 3870x2 is sometimes 10% faster than an ultra. I really hate they're doing this dual gpu sli/xfire bullshit because there is so much inconsistency with certain games liking either sli, crossfire, dual gpu or what-have-you, while all games equally like a single gpu card.

 

[bryanW1995]

if those are correct specs for 9800 gtx then I'm very disappointed. I was really expecting/hoping for a single gpu card that would clobber 9800gx2 AND 3870x2.

BFG, what cards is nvidia planning to release in Q3/Q4? Are they planning another 384 bit card, maybe a 9900gtx or something?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: taltamir
he means that the 64 SP 9600 is so close to the 8800GT that whatever revisions they made were major, and thus a 128SP one should be twice as fast with the same core revisions...

But the revision isn't major. Take out 48SP out of 8800gt and you have 9600gt.

Shader is the future and currently games aren't shader bound where SP dictates massive performance difference than fillrate and bandwidth.

Having 128sp won't help the 9800gtx with current crop of games that much. What it needs is more ROP and memory bandwidth.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

WTF no GTS?!

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
WTF no GTS?!

that's a good one, buy 8800 GTS 512 MB

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

all these acronyms drive me crazy, ROP's SP's etc etc

 

[n7]

i am going to be incredibly pissed off if the 9800 GTX isn't a lot better than the 8800 Ultra...

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
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If I were to guess I would assume the performance scale would look something like this:

9800GX2: 15 to 30 percent faster than 8800 Ultra.
9800GTX: Equal to if not better than overclocked 8800 Ultra
9800GT: Equal to if not better than overclocked 8800GTS 512
9600GT: Equal to if not better than 3870.

Man, if it shakes out that way, I can't say that's a big product refresh. The 9600GT looks like the only real winner in the lot. It could leave an opportunity for AMD to take some market share from the higher end, if only after they nail down their 3870X2 drivers. But then of course we'll see. $449 for 85-90% of 8800U performance sounds a lot better to me than the premiums NV will ask for the 9800GTX/X2.

Of course, you'd NEVER see NV give its user base a break and cut loose their GTX inventory on sale price. I'd consider one but not at their current levels.

Of COURSE, AMD just slashed their prices on 3870s so I overpaid $70 on my damn card just a month after I installed it grrrr. :disgust:

 

[Aberforth]

I doubt 9800GTX will be any better because GX2 is supposed to be 30% faster than Ultra so you can buy 8800 Ultra for a lower price.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
I doubt 9800GTX will be any better because GX2 is supposed to be 30% faster than Ultra so you can buy 8800 Ultra for a lower price.

Yep! It's hard to believe that 9800 GTX with one G92 would beat GX2 with two G92s.

..but what about Tri-SLI vs Quad-SLI; 3x9800 GTX vs. 2x9800 GX2? Well I wouldn't be that suprised if three very high clocked G92's could be a winner here.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
If I were to guess I would assume the performance scale would look something like this:

9800GX2: 15 to 30 percent faster than 8800 Ultra.
9800GTX: Equal to if not better than overclocked 8800 Ultra
9800GT: Equal to if not better than overclocked 8800GTS 512
9600GT: Equal to if not better than 3870.

I think that 9800 GX2 would be more powerfull than than that. I mean that 9600 GT SLI is already 15-30% faster than 8800 ultra in DX9 when using 1600x1200 + 4xAA 16xAF. With similar settings in DX10 we are talking about like 10% difference in 9600 GT SLI's favor. What kind of performance will 9800 GX2 have when it has double amount of SPs and TMUs?

http://www.computerbase.de/art...rmancerating_qualitaet
(they have summed overall performance with different settings)
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http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/02/23/9800GTX.jpg

If these specs for 9800 GTX holds truth it would mean that 9800 GTX would lose against 8800 GTX..perform equally with 8800 GTS 512. Differencies would be that this card would use new PCB (difference: Three way SLI support..).

 

[Aberforth]

ok I agree but a single 9800gtx will be like 350 bucks...that performs very close to 8800 Ultra? so why not buy 8800 Ultra instead of paying extra money. So this might be the worst card in Geforce 9 series.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: nyker96
I still think the naming scheme for the 9xxx is messed up. It seems that 8800GT is the same exact core and process except with different clocks and 112 stream Proc. this is certainly more powerful than 9600GT and should be named with say a higher number or something. This Nvidia naming scheme is very confusing to us consumers.

Yeah it is confusing.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the 9800xyz and the 9800rsvp one day

It's not that bad as he's making it. 9600GT is clearly weaker than 8800GT. Why? xy00-- X is the generation of card, Y is the performance level. anything x600 is the midrange market. Anything x800 is performance. Knowing this makes a difference.