Geforce 9800 GTX: Picture and specs

[lopri]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
JAG, you still considering buying the 9800GTX's? cause at this point its just a 8800GTS 512 with a few minor bug fixes and an extra SLI connector.

Plus $100

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Can someone locate a GPU-z screenshot of a 9800GX2? Curious about one particular thing.

check post #49 at the bottom of the page...

its 8800gt512/8800gtx/9800gtx/8800gts512 gpu-z screenies.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...ad.php?t=178457&page=2

It's not gx2, but might help.


edit: BTW I'm starting to believe all this 9800GTX fud could be fake. It all seems to be originating for Expreview and Nordichardware. People are saying expreview is nvidia biased. They could be spreading rumors to make everyone (including ati) think that the 9800gtx is going to suck, and inducing them into releasing their technology sooner in an unprepared fashion. The only thing that makes me thing the 9800gtx may not be just an "overclocked 8800gts512 G92" is that it has two power connectors. Why all that power if these gpuz screens and specs are real??????



Edit again: read this:

If rumours about Nvidia?s inability to get a license to produce Intel Common Serial Interface (CSI) bus compatible chipsets are correct, its multi-GPU technology SLI may either disappear from the market or Nvidia may change its SLI licensing policy and open up the technology for others.

At present Nvidia SLI multi-GPU systems may feature two, three or even four graphics processing units (GPUs) by Nvidia Corp. to speed up graphics rendering speed in games. One substantial peculiarity of Nvidia SLI multi-GPU technology is that several graphics cards have to be installed on a mainboard that is based on Nvidia nForce SLI core-logic.

Even though two graphics cards may technically function on any mainboard with any chipset provided that there are several PCI Express x16 slots, Nvidia does not allow system logic sets developed by companies like Advanced Micro Devices or Intel Corp. to power multi-GPU systems carrying two or more Nvidia GeForce-based add-in-cards. In order to enable SLI technology for its Intel Dual Socket Extreme Desktop Platform (DSEDP) Intel had to install certain PCI Express hub chips from Nvidia onto its Intel Desktop Board D5400XS mainboard. By contrast, ATI CrossFire and CrossFire X multi-GPU technologies that allow several ATI Radeon graphics cards to work in cooperation can be enabled on any third-party chipset, but not Nvidia?s (due to prohibition of Nvidia).

Nowadays enthusiasts of high-performance computers and gamers prefer central processing units (CPUs) by Intel due to their high performance. However, Intel does not allow third-party chipset developers to create and sell core-logic sets compatible with its processors without a special license. Currently Intel?s CPUs utilize AGTL+ quad-pumped processor system bus and various chipset designers have license to produce compatible chipsets. However, later this year Intel plans to introduce new so-called Common Serial Interface (CSI) bus for processors, which is similar to AMD?s HyperTransport, but also requires a license.

According to a news-story by The Inquirer web-site, Intel ?is refusing to provide Nvidia with a vital piece of CSI technology?, which may indicate that Nvidia loses ability to produce Intel-compatible chipsets late in 2008, which may be a huge blow to Nvidia?s chipset business division.

With no in-house developed Intel-compatible chipsets, Nvidia will have to either allow SLI technology to function on third-party chipsets, or its multi-GPU technology will only function on chipsets supporting microprocessors by AMD, which currently cannot offer the same level of performance as Intel?s CPUs and are usually not gamers? processors of choice. As a consequence, Nvidia SLI multi-GPU platform may find itself unpopular or may even cease to exist. On the other hand, even if Nvidia fails to get CSI license at any cost, the company may focus on creating graphics cards with several GPUs on them, which do not require any special chipsets.

Not a lot of gamers actually use multi-GPU technologies. Only about 1.5% of Half-Life 2/Counter Strike gamers had a multi-GPU personal computer (PC) with either two, three or four graphics processors, the stats at Steampowered web-site revealed last year. Nvidia?s SLI technology is clearly more popular than ATI?s CrossFire. Steam hardware survey indicated that there are about 96% multi-GPU systmes with two GeForce chips and only around 3.9% - 4.0% machines that feature two Radeon GPUs. According to a recent survey by X-bit labs, about 6% of end-users utilize a computer with two or more graphics cards.

Nvidia does not comment on unannounced products. Nvidia does not comment on business matters. Intel and Nvidia did not comment on the news-story.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: jaredpace

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Can someone locate a GPU-z screenshot of a 9800GX2? Curious about one particular thing.

check post #49 at the bottom of the page...

its 8800gt512/8800gtx/9800gtx/8800gts512 gpu-z screenies.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...ad.php?t=178457&page=2

It's not gx2, but might help.


edit: BTW I'm starting to believe all this 9800GTX fud could be fake. It all seems to be originating for Expreview and Nordichardware. People are saying expreview is nvidia biased. They could be spreading rumors to make everyone (including ati) think that the 9800gtx is going to suck, and inducing them into releasing their technology sooner in an unprepared fashion. The only thing that makes me thing the 9800gtx may not be just an "overclocked 8800gts512 G92" is that it has two power connectors. Why all that power if these gpuz screens and specs are real??????

Thanks Jared, but it has to be a GX2. I'm googling my butt off, but can't find any.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: jaredpace

edit: BTW I'm starting to believe all this 9800GTX fud could be fake. It all seems to be originating for Expreview and Nordichardware. People are saying expreview is nvidia biased. They could be spreading rumors to make everyone (including ati) think that the 9800gtx is going to suck, and inducing them into releasing their technology sooner in an unprepared fashion. The only thing that makes me thing the 9800gtx may not be just an "overclocked 8800gts512 G92" is that it has two power connectors. Why all that power if these gpuz screens and specs are real??????

So then VR-Zone would be lying too by that theory...
http://www.vr-zone.com/article...ecs_Unveiled/5599.html

...and its not that much of a power increase.

9800GTX is 168W
8800GTS 512 is 145W

Feel free to compare the two:
http://www.gpureview.com/show_...p?card1=548&card2=559#

Just Ignore the GFLOPS as that is obviously borked.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver

Originally posted by: jaredpace

edit: BTW I'm starting to believe all this 9800GTX fud could be fake. It all seems to be originating for Expreview and Nordichardware. People are saying expreview is nvidia biased. They could be spreading rumors to make everyone (including ati) think that the 9800gtx is going to suck, and inducing them into releasing their technology sooner in an unprepared fashion. The only thing that makes me thing the 9800gtx may not be just an "overclocked 8800gts512 G92" is that it has two power connectors. Why all that power if these gpuz screens and specs are real??????

So then VR-Zone would be lying too by that theory...
http://www.vr-zone.com/article...ecs_Unveiled/5599.html

...and its not that much of a power increase.

9800GTX is 168W
8800GTS 512 is 145W

Yeah well everyone would have to be lying, there's about 2 dozen sites now with all this crap. I trust all of them. Just can't believe Nvidia is ballsy enough to release crap and call it next generation Geforce. They just destroy their name. The only thing that makes me not 100% positive it's going to bomb is that it is using two power connectors. doesnt a gts512 use only one? plus it's an extra 1.5inches of PCB, what exactly is in that new space? If it's just HDMI circuitry and a second SLI goldfinger, then it's going to suck. I'm just having a hard time believing it. Don't know why though, they pulled the same shit with the FX generation. At least they're not rebranding the "geforce ####" moniker this time with something like "Geforce fx ti 1000 e-force". Just to call it a 9800gtx desecrates the 8800gtx name if the fud is true.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
The only thing that makes me not 100% positive it's going to bomb is that it is using two power connectors. doesnt a gts512 use only one?

I'd need to look but I think its 1...
yeah its just 1... in which my only guess would be one pci-e connector wasn't enough. Which then begs they questions could they of used 1x 8pin pci-e connector.

plus it's an extra 1.5inches of PCB, what exactly is in that new space? If it's just HDMI circuitry and a second SLI goldfinger, then it's going to suck.

you answered it yourself, its just the extra SLI connector.

 

[Tempered81]

gyah f(*&($Q$% this i quit. JK but nvidia makes me angry.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
gyah f(*&($Q$% this i quit. JK but nvidia makes me angry.

I'm just praying the the RV770's don't flop too, cause at this point I would like a card to performs better than the 8800 ultra.

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
gyah f(*&($Q$% this i quit. JK but nvidia makes me angry.

Maybe nVidia is trying to get upper high end prices back under $300?

:laugh:

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: jaredpace
gyah f(*&($Q$% this i quit. JK but nvidia makes me angry.

Maybe nVidia is trying to get upper high end prices back under $300?

:laugh:

Yah that's a good one! check this out
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2159317&enterthread=y

 

[geokilla]

IMO, what NVIDIA is doing now is exactly the same thing what I heard they were doing with the GeForce FX series. Maybe they're bombing this series to prevent AMD/ATI from going bankrupt.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver

Originally posted by: jaredpace

edit: BTW I'm starting to believe all this 9800GTX fud could be fake. It all seems to be originating for Expreview and Nordichardware. People are saying expreview is nvidia biased. They could be spreading rumors to make everyone (including ati) think that the 9800gtx is going to suck, and inducing them into releasing their technology sooner in an unprepared fashion. The only thing that makes me thing the 9800gtx may not be just an "overclocked 8800gts512 G92" is that it has two power connectors. Why all that power if these gpuz screens and specs are real??????

So then VR-Zone would be lying too by that theory...
http://www.vr-zone.com/article...ecs_Unveiled/5599.html

...and its not that much of a power increase.

9800GTX is 168W
8800GTS 512 is 145W

Feel free to compare the two:
http://www.gpureview.com/show_...p?card1=548&card2=559#

Just Ignore the GFLOPS as that is obviously borked.

Well then would you believe that perhaps ^^this^^ is NOT nvidia's *top* card ... the "ultra" with another +20% performance for another $33% price premium - i.e. $649-$699?
:Q

why not? nvidia is not going to go down without a fight to r700 ... far from it ... they *always* have their 'ultra' waiting in the wings.
:evil:

... and You guys will eat them up ... and don't forget what [nv] Rollo let slip:
BUY THEM ON DAY ONE if you like what you see



^^this public message^^ brought to you as a free service by apoppin ... mahalo for reading

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: geokilla
IMO, what NVIDIA is doing now is exactly the same thing what I heard they were doing with the GeForce FX series. Maybe they're bombing this series to prevent AMD/ATI from going bankrupt.

You mean like when Intel bailed AMD out?

Intel said, look, we're making obscene profits with these P4/netburst gimmicks, so we'll just dummy up for now and let you gain legally significant market share in key areas with your AMD64 crap. But... in return... when you begin to cut into our profits... you've got to cripple one of your future CPU lineups with some sort of TLB errata or other silly thing.


Conspiracy theories are fun because the facts are just the icing on the cake.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Quiksilver

Originally posted by: jaredpace

edit: BTW I'm starting to believe all this 9800GTX fud could be fake. It all seems to be originating for Expreview and Nordichardware. People are saying expreview is nvidia biased. They could be spreading rumors to make everyone (including ati) think that the 9800gtx is going to suck, and inducing them into releasing their technology sooner in an unprepared fashion. The only thing that makes me thing the 9800gtx may not be just an "overclocked 8800gts512 G92" is that it has two power connectors. Why all that power if these gpuz screens and specs are real??????

So then VR-Zone would be lying too by that theory...
http://www.vr-zone.com/article...ecs_Unveiled/5599.html

...and its not that much of a power increase.

9800GTX is 168W
8800GTS 512 is 145W

Feel free to compare the two:
http://www.gpureview.com/show_...p?card1=548&card2=559#

Just Ignore the GFLOPS as that is obviously borked.

Well then would you believe that perhaps ^^this^^ is NOT nvidia's *top* card ... the "ultra" with another +20% performance for another $33% price premium - i.e. $649-$699?
:Q

why not? nvidia is not going to go down without a fight to r700 ... far from it ... they *always* have their 'ultra' waiting in the wings.
:evil:

... and You guys will eat them up ... and don't forget what [nv] Rollo let slip:
BUY THEM ON DAY ONE if you like what you see



^^this public message^^ brought to you as a free service by apoppin ... mahalo for reading

In bold above: I thought he meant that statement toward the GX2?

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
JAG, you still considering buying the 9800GTX's? cause at this point its just a 8800GTS 512 with a few minor bug fixes and an extra SLI connector.

oh hell no, I'm not buying that shit. I sincerely hope for nvidia that this is not the card coming out with the GTX moniker, because that is going to ruin the GTX moniker for all future releases.

at this point, all there is left to hope for is the GX2. If one GX2 can perform as good as my GTX SLI setup (which I doubt), I would gladly switch. It probably will use less power and make less heat than two cards. And if nvidia has Quad SLI working, even better.. (but I am even more skeptical about this)

If all plans fail, I am going to buy 2 super clocked 8800 Ultras for cheap on ebay. Old tech FTW.

Originally posted by: lopri
Plus $100

rofl. nice1

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

This is why I hate Nvidia, they just dont push the envelope, they only care competition... If no ones around, they will sell a 10 year old card for 999$

Back when ATI owned everything with the 9700 PRO they still bothered to release a brilliant 9800 PRO even though Nvidia didnt have competition

:thumbsdown:

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
This is why I hate Nvidia, they just dont push the envelope, they only care competition... If no ones around, they will sell a 10 year old card for 999$

Back when ATI owned everything with the 9700 PRO they still bothered to release a brilliant 9800 PRO even though Nvidia didnt have competition

:thumbsdown:

nV is a marketshare whore indeed. Competition or lack thereof plays a role. But we're responsible too...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Quiksilver

Originally posted by: jaredpace

edit: BTW I'm starting to believe all this 9800GTX fud could be fake. It all seems to be originating for Expreview and Nordichardware. People are saying expreview is nvidia biased. They could be spreading rumors to make everyone (including ati) think that the 9800gtx is going to suck, and inducing them into releasing their technology sooner in an unprepared fashion. The only thing that makes me thing the 9800gtx may not be just an "overclocked 8800gts512 G92" is that it has two power connectors. Why all that power if these gpuz screens and specs are real??????

So then VR-Zone would be lying too by that theory...
http://www.vr-zone.com/article...ecs_Unveiled/5599.html

...and its not that much of a power increase.

9800GTX is 168W
8800GTS 512 is 145W

Feel free to compare the two:
http://www.gpureview.com/show_...p?card1=548&card2=559#

Just Ignore the GFLOPS as that is obviously borked.

Well then would you believe that perhaps ^^this^^ is NOT nvidia's *top* card ... the "ultra" with another +20% performance for another $33% price premium - i.e. $649-$699?
:Q

why not? nvidia is not going to go down without a fight to r700 ... far from it ... they *always* have their 'ultra' waiting in the wings.
:evil:

... and You guys will eat them up ... and don't forget what [nv] Rollo let slip:
BUY THEM ON DAY ONE if you like what you see



^^this public message^^ brought to you as a free service by apoppin ... mahalo for reading

In bold above: I thought he meant that statement toward the GX2?

he was being deliberately vague ... unless you missed it

Whatever nvidia's TOP card is on the day of release - if it is *extraordinary* - don't delay
--if it is not exceptional in your eyes, well then forget it

my idea is a two-parter - the 2nd part is a logical extension of what nvidia has done every single time since 2002 - they hold back an "ultra" ... if this is the "disappointing" single-core GTX, then i expect a [much] higher-performing single-core solution ... and if GX2 is also disappointing, then i expect an 'ultra' also

i mean you guys are completely free to express you opinions - no matter how ridiculous they are
:Q

 

[geokilla]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: geokilla
IMO, what NVIDIA is doing now is exactly the same thing what I heard they were doing with the GeForce FX series. Maybe they're bombing this series to prevent AMD/ATI from going bankrupt.

You mean like when Intel bailed AMD out?

Intel said, look, we're making obscene profits with these P4/netburst gimmicks, so we'll just dummy up for now and let you gain legally significant market share in key areas with your AMD64 crap. But... in return... when you begin to cut into our profits... you've got to cripple one of your future CPU lineups with some sort of TLB errata or other silly thing.


Conspiracy theories are fun because the facts are just the icing on the cake.

EXACTLY! I like that theory.

That, or NVIDIA and ATI agreed on price fixing, and now they have to resort to slower GPU improvements since price fixing hasn't saved AMD/ATI. I believe they're still losing money...

 

[geokilla]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
This is why I hate Nvidia, they just dont push the envelope, they only care competition... If no ones around, they will sell a 10 year old card for 999$

Back when ATI owned everything with the 9700 PRO they still bothered to release a brilliant 9800 PRO even though Nvidia didnt have competition

:thumbsdown:

nV is a marketshare whore indeed. Competition or lack thereof plays a role. But we're responsible too...

Don't forget. Monopoly leads to lawsuits and probably $1000 for a GeForce 2 GPU.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Well, bad news for PC enthusiasts, good news for me. It means my $200 8800GT was a good investment.

not really.

you cant tri sli the 8800GT

you should be able to trisli the 9800GTX

If you guys are complaining about the price... wait for the GX2. :X

and it does matter on me if i can get trisli or not. i intend on running it on a 1080p HDTV for gaming and movies. thats 1920x1080 resolution here.

why would you need tri-sli for 1920x1080? A good single card and certainly xfire/sli should be great there!

 

[bryanW1995]

The 9800GTX should offer a lot more than just smoother framerates than the 8800GTS 512, it should be a dominant card (at least 30-40% more performance than the current 8800GTX).

um, what do you base this statement on? If that is true then jag + many others will be ecstatic, but I just don't see it right now. It is looking more and more like a slightly overclocked 8800gts 512. How many mumbo-jumbo rabbits are they going to pull out of their hats to get an 8800gts 512 clone to beat an 8800gtx by 30+ %???