I'd hope AMD will replace the Pitcairn at some point, however, as of now, Nvidia's upper end (taking up 2nd, 3rd, and likely 4th tier as well) is currently uncontested.Do you believe that: (a) AMD will never replace HD7970M in laptops? (b) AMD will never have a good dGPU mobile chip in laptops worth buying? (c) Do you think the only gaming laptops worth buying are those with the fastest single mobile dGPU, nothing 2nd or 3rd or 4th tier?
Sam shiz different pile as the GTX 970 Vram Debacle.If a company wants to produce a card that does not overclock from the factory that is perfectly fine and well within their right. That is not the issue here. The issue is that parts that were previously 100% able to be overclocked and even sold by some manufacturers advertising that ability have now had that feature removed. Not by the laptop manufacturer but by a component vendor. This is the issue and it is very very wrong.
How would people feel if Intel released new microcode that disabled overclocking on all K series chips? Still probably have people defending them...
You really love this place don't you, mr persistent guy?Sam shiz different pile as the GTX 970 Vram Debacle.
And laptops are designed around a certain tdp. Its not like a desktop card where you can tweak the cooling. The laptop is designed around a certain spec. Look at the xbox 360 as an example of a gpu running too hot.
Nowhere else can people understand you when you go on about such things as computer case cooling and GTX 970 Vram gate. Average people tend to think you are crazy when talking about things they don't understand and don't [care] about. On the other hand if you talk about Apple iphone then they think you are cool ... go figure.You really love this place don't you, mr persistent guy?
AMD's fault.There's no choice for people who need gaming notebooks. All the high-end 900M cards have OC turned off and AMD hasn't been competitive in 3 years, basically asleep at the wheel since the 7970M in 2012. It's ironic how Nvidia targeted its fastest cards but the slower ones are unaffected.
Unfortunately GeForce notebooks were not designed to support overclocking. Overclocking is by no means a trivial feature, and depends on thoughtful design of thermal, electrical, and other considerations. By overclocking a notebook, a user risks serious damage to the system that could result in non-functional systems, reduced notebook life, or many other effects.
There was a bug introduced into our drivers which enabled some systems to overclock. This was fixed in a recent update. Our intent was not to remove features from GeForce notebooks, but rather to safeguard systems from operating outside design limits.
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Nowhere else can people understand you when you go on about such things as computer case cooling and GTX 970 Vram gate. Average people tend to think you are crazy when talking about things they don't understand and don't [care] about. On the other hand if you talk about Apple iphone then they think you are cool ... go figure.
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If a company wants to produce a card that does not overclock from the factory that is perfectly fine and well within their right. That is not the issue here. The issue is that parts that were previously 100% able to be overclocked and even sold by some manufacturers advertising that ability have now had that feature removed. Not by the laptop manufacturer but by a component vendor. This is the issue and it is very very wrong.
How would people feel if Intel released new microcode that disabled overclocking on all K series chips? Still probably have people defending them...
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How would people feel if Intel released new microcode that disabled overclocking on all K series chips? Still probably have people defending them...
what a terrible example. intel did arbitrarily disable overclocking on a bunch of chips, forcing people to pay extra for the k models.
what a terrible example. intel did arbitrarily disable overclocking on a bunch of chips, forcing people to pay extra for the k models.
Not after people had already bought them though.
Intel released a microcode update that disabled overclocking on non-Z chipsets, something like a couple years ago now. That affected people who already bought them. You could try to avoid the microcode update, just like you could try avoiding these new drivers, I suppose.
Yet, some vendors have successfully "re-enabled" it later. In particular, my msi b85 gaming board has absolutely no problem overclocking 4770k with the most recent bios firmware. Over the time, they have fixed tons of bugs and actually improved OC capabilities of the board. I can actually use that mobo now without even thinking why didn't I get a Z chipset instead. Kudos to MSI.Intel released a microcode update that disabled overclocking on non-Z chipsets, something like a couple years ago now. That affected people who already bought them. You could try to avoid the microcode update, just like you could try avoiding these new drivers, I suppose.
Intel released a microcode update that disabled overclocking on non-Z chipsets, something like a couple years ago now. That affected people who already bought them. You could try to avoid the microcode update, just like you could try avoiding these new drivers, I suppose.
Yet, some vendors have successfully "re-enabled" it later. In particular, my msi b85 gaming board has absolutely no problem overclocking 4770k with the most recent bios firmware. Over the time, they have fixed tons of bugs and actually improved OC capabilities of the board. I can actually use that mobo now without even thinking why didn't I get a Z chipset instead. Kudos to MSI.
@ OP
Personally, I wouldn't cry a river about it. Not a fan of laptop overclocking in general, due to limited cooling capabilities. But anyway, people who want to OC their mobile geforce gpu's, still can, by modding the bios. A bit risky, yes... but still possible, Nvidia just made it more difficult. Is it going to stop die-hard enthusiasts? Of course not. And if you're not die-hard, then a ~5-15% loss of bonus performance (at the expense of extra heat, power and likely noise) shouldn't bother you much.
They did not. There was a rumor they might.
Yet, some vendors have successfully "re-enabled" it later. In particular, my msi b85 gaming board has absolutely no problem overclocking 4770k with the most recent bios firmware. Over the time, they have fixed tons of bugs and actually improved OC capabilities of the board. I can actually use that mobo now without even thinking why didn't I get a Z chipset instead. Kudos to MSI.
@ OP
Personally, I wouldn't cry a river about it. Not a fan of laptop overclocking in general, due to limited cooling capabilities. But anyway, people who want to OC their mobile geforce gpu's, still can, by modding the bios. A bit risky, yes... but still possible, Nvidia just made it more difficult. Is it going to stop die-hard enthusiasts? Of course not. And if you're not die-hard, then a ~5-15% loss of bonus performance (at the expense of extra heat, power and likely noise) shouldn't bother you much.
They got sued over this not that long ago (G80). Running a gpu past its thermal limits would do such a thing.
Why do you keep bringing up GPU failures that had nothing to do with overclocking in an attempt to justify Nvidia's action? The Bumpgate that affected G84M and G86M (G80 never made it into a mobile form factor) and the Xbox 360's RRoD were both the result of manufacturing defects, not overclocking or overheating.And laptops are designed around a certain tdp. Its not like a desktop card where you can tweak the cooling. The laptop is designed around a certain spec. Look at the xbox 360 as an example of a gpu running too hot.
Don't fool yourself, overclocking was never a standard feature, it was an "assumed" feature. Making buying decisions based on overclocking has always been wrong. Hell, am pretty sure it wasn't even an advertised feature by Nvidia of those mobile GPUs. This is a completely different matter to the recent memory scandal of the 970.OP is "crying a river" because features that were present when he paid money were magically taken away by a driver update? Buddy, you're exactly the type of bend over and take it consumer that Nvidia loves. The defense of this kind of crap is insane, and it's exactly why Nvidia won't stop.
Don't fool yourself, overclocking wasn't a standard feature, it was an "assumed" feature. Making buying decisions based on overclocking has always been wrong. Hell, am pretty sure it wasn't even an advertised feature by Nvidia of those mobile GPUs. This is a completely different matter to the recent memory scandal of the 970.
Don't fool yourself, overclocking was never a standard feature, it was an "assumed" feature.
Does anyone think that maybe nVidia knows something they aren't saying and their GPU's will fail if O/C'd?