GeForce FX & DDR-II Info

[First]

Originally posted by: BentValve

Textand it looks to be yet another GeForce with ramped up clock speeds which apparently run so hot that they have to attach a circus apparatus disguised as a cooler that takes up a PCI slot

Oh and I got a good laugh out of that one.

Yeah, so did I.

Originally posted by: AmishPcFreak
In my opinion, it is time to sell your nVidia stock. They are in big trouble... the news keeps getting worse everytime there is another news release. The release date has been moved back so many times I have lost count.

There are several reasons I think nVidia is in big trouble:

1) The DDr2 RAM is running way too hot
2) The speed increase over the R300 is not that great
3) The expected price for the GeForceFx is way too high ($500)
4) Ati is sure to counter with a better card (R350)

All this adds up to one thing: nVidia has been dethroned for 2004, perhaps forever.

(taps plays in background)

1) Don't bet your life on it.
2) Says who?
3) Says who?
4) Just like ATi countered the GeForce4 last Spring? (that's a rhetorical question ). What makes you so sure R350 is due anytime soon?

Btw, did you know NVIDIA gained market after the Radeon 9700 was released, as well as for all of 2002?

Conclusion, you're overreacting, the GeForceFX won?t mark the beginning of NVIDIA?s demise by any means. And by the looks of the things, ATi isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Lonyo]

Aren't ATi doing an RV350 and an R350? One being a totally new core pretty much, one being a slight change in the current R300?
It is a little odd than nVidia haven't released any boards yet for people like anandtech to have a look at, ATi did it. Either nVidia are worried it may underperform, OR they want to build up the hype to maximise the launch. All the speculation is good for them, more publicity.

 

[Shagga]

Originally posted by: BentValve

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: BentValve
What if they secretly scrapped the NV30 after they saw the R300? That would explain the delay.

It takes A LOT longer than a couple of months to design, test, and manufacture a new chipset.

Probably but perhaps they made some changes to the chip , maybe for insurance if nothing else. Don't you agree that the R300 was at least a mild shock to nvidia?

This is getting really interesting. BentValve may be right. It is not unusual for companies such as Intel/nVidia to be developing the NEXT generation of CPU's/GPU's and it might be the case that the R300 packed a little more punch than nVidia expected. This could have put them on the back foot a little and it could be possible that "new" features that were already on the chip but scheduled for incorporation into the scheme of things in the next generation have been enabled now. Take HT on the P4 for instance. (The theory rather than the actual)

My take on it is that I believe that the .13µ is causing quite a few problems for nVidia being the first GPU on this process, but I also think that the R300 shocked them somewhat. R350 has possibly made nVidia re-think their strategy. It certainly seems to me to be suicide to release the NV30 knowing that it will "just" beat the R300 in terms of speed, only then for ATi to release the R350 to knock nVidia back off the top slot.

Decisions decisions eh, I bet the whole nVidia Roadmap has been turned upside down. I bet the NV30 Ultra is being pulled forward and in doing so the heat issue with DDR II and trying to get the .13µ process running is one hell of a headache. All good fun though.

 

[Vegito]

I hope you know what you're talking about. How many ati cards are you buying ? One or two probably. How many are others buying one or two prob.

I do certifications test for systems down in the NYSE. Some guy order a bunch of nice dell xeon workstations with ati and I got the nice chance to yank out 150 ATI cards and spend 100 on 150 nvidia gf4 ti 4200. I gave away a few of the ati "crap" already. I dont know how they get their WHQL on drivers but it sure does crash a lot. If you think DDR 2 is hot, what do you think is gonna happen with QDR ? Dethroned in speed, maybe, but not market sales. I probably would not touch another ATI product as long as I live. And my original ati product was a PCI ATI All-In-Wonder 64 from my 286/386 days. Its funny how I run 3dmark 2001 to burn these systems in and people walk by thinking im playing games on hundreds of machines across the board.

Anyway, recently posted non-certified benchmark

Originally posted by: AmishPcFreak
In my opinion, it is time to sell your nVidia stock. They are in big trouble... the news keeps getting worse everytime there is another news release. The release date has been moved back so many times I have lost count.

There are several reasons I think nVidia is in big trouble:

1) The DDr2 RAM is running way too hot
2) The speed increase over the R300 is not that great
3) The expected price for the GeForceFx is way too high ($500)
4) Ati is sure to counter with a better card (R350)

All this adds up to one thing: nVidia has been dethroned for 2004, perhaps forever.

(taps plays in background)

 

[BentValve]

Anyway, recently posted non-certified benchmark
>>>>>>>>>>

They will also have to accept however, that the release of this product has been delayed enough for ATI to prepare their next generation chip, probably .13 and DDR II, which at the current rate may be announced before GFX reaches consumers.

Now there is a though, if ATI anounces their new RV350 before the FX is released , maybe even anounce a 9700 pro markdown as well, if the timing was right it could easily hurt the FX sales somewhat.

 

[BentValve]

Quake III
Quake III running at 1600x1200, 32-bit color and 2x anti-aliasing, GeForce FX proved to be 40 per cent faster than the ATI Radeon 9700 PRO at the same settings.

UT 2003
GFX was 20 per cent faster than ATI's 9700 PRO in the Unreal Tournament 2003 Asbestos fly-by demo at the above mentioned settings.

3D Mark 2001:SE
The suprise came from the 3DMark 2001:SE Game 4 benchmark, again at the same settings, at these settings, there the Radeon 9700 was 10 per cent faster than GeForce FX.

I hope the FX performs better than the above because 40% faster on an old game like Quake 3 means nothing to me, 20% faster in UT2003 is nice and and the third test is disapointing asd well.....these scores make me wonder if the FX isn't some ramped up Geforce chip like the other posted stated, I mean if it were a new beast then it would be playing the newer games faster than it performed above.

 

[Tab]

Heh, I have absolutly no problems with any of ATI's drivers right now. I am however not a big DX9 Fan, downloading it is uterly stupid as barley any games are programs support it. Not to mention until I see final benchmarks from AnAndTech, we have no idea how the card will really perform.

 

[The Sauce]

It is just hilarious watching all of this idle speculation. You know as soon as these cards hit the review circuit we'll have a clear answer within 1-2 days. Why bother with all this verbiage guys? We'll have the answers soon enough without having to guess at everything.

 

[zsouthboy]

Originally posted by: Snatchface
It is just hilarious watching all of this idle speculation. You know as soon as these cards hit the review circuit we'll have a clear answer within 1-2 days. Why bother with all this verbiage guys? We'll have the answers soon enough without having to guess at everything.

Finally, some truth.

 

[BentValve]

Pre-release anticipation of new computer products have always been around , how is this thread any different?
Personally I have enjoyed it. If you don't like the conversation then why not just skip over the thread?

 

[The Sauce]

Because I'm trolling the forums for FACTS. I'm in the market for a new card in the near future.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: BentValve
Pre-release anticipation of new computer products have always been around , how is this thread any different?
Personally I have enjoyed it. If you don't like the conversation then why not just skip over the thread?

For once, I agree with you.

 

[dwj]

Originally posted by: BentValve
seems a reformat is imminent. Which means reinstalling 20+ games and 10+ programs.

uh ohhhh... somebody forgot how to spell P A R T I T I O N S....



sorry, couldn't help that.

 

[BentValve]

Originally posted by: dwj

Originally posted by: BentValve
seems a reformat is imminent. Which means reinstalling 20+ games and 10+ programs.

uh ohhhh... somebody forgot how to spell P A R T I T I O N S....



sorry, couldn't help that.

I know , I know. I should use partitions but I am on kind of an experiment,
You see I am a recovering compulsive reformatter. I am trying to learn how to juggle alot of software on a drive instead of giving in and reformatting it all of the time. I want to go at least a year without refomatting a drive.

 

[bfonnes]

Originally posted by: everman
The site says release date around March - April now. By that time ATI will probably their next board out and nVidia is screwed.

Tom's Hardware said, the first week of February. Leadtek was showing their GEforceFX cards off at the Winter CES. Unless you can come up with proof that Tom is wrong, then I say February is still on it sounds like.

Bfonnes

 

[WheelsCSM]

I hope it's not that late, I have been wanting something to replace my GeForce 2 for a while now. I can handle waiting until early Feb (although if I decide to go with the new FX board it will probably be March before I can actually get one). I'm not going to wait until April/May though. I thought I read somewhere they were going to release the entire FX line at the same time? Is this still true? I'm one of those who will not spend >$200 on a video card (the one I have now was $90) especially considering how the top of the line cards are overkill for most (if not all) games anyway. If they are just going to release the $400 card first, l''ll just a Radeon 9500 Pro.

 

[peang]

I guess this is what happen when somebody start talking about ATI or NVDIA
same like Intel and AMD

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: BentValve

Originally posted by: dwj

Originally posted by: BentValve
seems a reformat is imminent. Which means reinstalling 20+ games and 10+ programs.

uh ohhhh... somebody forgot how to spell P A R T I T I O N S....



sorry, couldn't help that.

I know , I know. I should use partitions but I am on kind of an experiment,
You see I am a recovering compulsive reformatter. I am trying to learn how to juggle alot of software on a drive instead of giving in and reformatting it all of the time. I want to go at least a year without refomatting a drive.

That's easy, either wait for Microsoft to put out a better OS or don't upgrade anything for a year

Chiz

 

[Vegito]

399 pre-order..

similar price to the 9700

 

[PCMarine]

That Bestbuy listing is of the regular FX. Doesn't the "FX Ultra" come with 256mb of RAM?