Geforce GTX 1050 / 1050 Ti Launch Thread ($109 / $139 - October 25th)

[poofyhairguy]

I don't understand the giant gap between the 460 at 896:56:16 and the 470 at 2048:128:32.

The 460 is a GPU made for mobile.

It also makes for a decent HTPC GPU. I am hoping that within a year or two the open source driver in Linux will support the decoding hardware properly which would make this card plug and play with many HTPC OSes.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I still see 470 / 1050Ti comparisons as pushing the 470 down a tier in the card hierarchy where it really does not belong. It looks good there, sure.

The 1050Ti is a 75W 768:48:32 card.
The 470 is a 120W 2048:128:32 card.

Pricing is a mystery, too. The 470/480 seem too cheap.

I don't understand the giant gap between the 460 at 896:56:16 and the 470 at 2048:128:32.

The answer is obvious as to why this comparison is being made and posters are denying the importance of a card being slot powered. AMD does not have a competitive card for the 1050Ti, and the 460 does not compete that well with the 1050. So to make AMD look competitive they have to force a different class card into that slot. Why is the 470 in a different class-- because it uses a six pin connector. It just makes my head want to explode that posters are still trying to deny that this is an important criteria to a significant set of users. I was looking at microcenter, and there are a lot of OEM PCs with psus around 200 to 240 watts, and some SFF systems with sub 200 watts. It is absurd to insist that such systems can run a 470, and even more absurd to think the non technically inclined user who walks into a big box store and buys a PC is going to feel comfortable rigging up Molex adapters, or even know that you can do it.

 

[Erenhardt]

The answer is obvious as to why this comparison is being made and posters are denying the importance of a card being slot powered. AMD does not have a competitive card for the 1050Ti, and the 460 does not compete that well with the 1050. So to make AMD look competitive they have to force a different class card into that slot. Why is the 470 in a different class-- because it uses a six pin connector. It just makes my head want to explode that posters are still trying to deny that this is an important criteria to a significant set of users. I was looking at microcenter, and there are a lot of OEM PCs with psus around 200 to 240 watts, and some SFF systems with sub 200 watts. It is absurd to insist that such systems can run a 470, and even more absurd to think the non technically inclined user who walks into a big box store and buys a PC is going to feel comfortable rigging up Molex adapters, or even know that you can do it.

The question is: Do people with cheap oem boxes upgrade their GPUs, or they don't know better and just get a new system when they feel the need to upgrade?

I feel that someone savy enough to upgrade parts of their PC is not going to run oem box with a crappy 200W PSU.

Someone who knows he needs to upgrade his GPU probably has custom built system with decent 400+W PSU - if not built by himself, then probably by a friend or relative. In that scenario, you can put either of the cards

 

[Gikaseixas]

The answer is: there are people who have OEM systems and really need to update the graphics card because they just found out the hard way that a Best Buy rep sold them a turd. There are also people savvy enough to know that a 1050ti won't be enough and want a more powerful card such as 1060, 470 or 480. And there are people who just want to play MOBA games and know that a simple 1050ti could solve their problems.

We can't simply assume we know everyone's needs and desires. There's much more than just AMD or Nvidia when choosing... there's convenience, individual needs, limitations, budgets, etc

 

[Bacon1]

I don't think anyone is disputing that this card is ok if you have an otherwise garbage system.

The point is most people could use a decent video card and for very little is even no extra money they can get 30-50% more performance it makes no sense to buy a 1050 ti over a 470.

But don't expect to see those weak systems that can't power a GPU OC their garbage CPU to levels that make it competitive for good gameplay anyway.

 

[kallisX]

is there a fanless or very silent 1050ti?
i purchased a MSI rx460 4G on sale, to my surprise the performance is not that superior to my old HD6770 and the noise level MY GOD! at 3000rpm it sounds like a jet engine in my apartment. i cant bear playing any game without getting annoyed after 15min. turned down speed and freq in wattman helped but by not enough.
return.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I don't think anyone is disputing that this card is ok if you have an otherwise garbage system.

The point is most people could use a decent video card and for very little is even no extra money they can get 30-50% more performance it makes no sense to buy a 1050 ti over a 470.

But don't expect to see those weak systems that can't power a GPU OC their garbage CPU to levels that make it competitive for good gameplay anyway.

There are plenty of i5 and even some i7 desktop systems that run on the igpu. Are you saying these are "weak" or "garbage" systems? In any case, no matter how hard some deny it, there is a market for slot powered cards. Not everyone is as knowledgeable or technically confident as those who frequent these forums, most likely do not even know what molex adapters are, and certainly will not feel confident changing a psu. This is the market for slot powered cards.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Any GPUs from $50-$1000 can be compared on a price/performance curve as long as it makes logical sense. Are you implying someone cross-shopping a $139-149 GPU isn't going to consider spending $20-30 more for a $169 GPU? Along the same lines, are you suggesting it makes no sense to compare GTX1070 to GTX1080 then just because they are not priced in the same tier? When I bought GTX1070 SLI, I did cross-reference performance with GTX1080 because they cost very similarly. In much the same way we can compare the value of GTX1060/RX 480 to a GTX1070, it's 100% legitimate to compare GTX1050Ti to GTX1060 3GB/RX 470 since they are close in price.

$30 extra for a card that's far faster than GTX1050Ti in a segment where the PC gamer is likely to keep the card for 2-4 years is a smoking deal.

Computerbase November 2, 2016 charts show RX 470 4GB beating GTX1050Ti by 34%
In comparison, MSI Gaming GTX1080 is only 21% faster than MSI Gaming GTX1070 at 1440p
https://www.computerbase.de/thema/grafikkarte/rangliste/

Sweclockers has RX 470 beating GTX1050Ti by 31%.

GCN continues to perform even better in modern titles. Most recent comparisons also show RX480 beating GTX1060 in AAA games. That means RX470 OC is actually going to provide performance much closer to a stock RX480/GTX1060, making it an even better value at $170.

The cheapest GTX1070 on Newegg is $370
The cheapest GTX1080 on Newegg is $600

The performance gain from GTX1070 to GTX1080 is on average only 21% or so and it costs $230 USD => $10.95 for every 1% increase in performance.

The cheapest GTX1050Ti on Newegg is $140 (+$5 sh&h)
The cheapest RX 470 4GB on Newegg is $165 (+$5 sh&h)

The performance gain from GTX1050Ti to RX 470 4GB is 25-34% and it costs ONLY $25-30 USD => $0.88-$1 for every 1% increase in performance

We also know that RX470 can be overclocked to reach RX 480 in performance.
http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=...dmin=0a8fcaad6b03da6a6895d1ada2e171002a287bc1




In Infinite Warfare, RX 470 is almost as fast as the GTX1060.

Whatever it takes to skew that data/information towards an NV card.



$140 GTX1050Ti is a horrible deal for the informed/tech savvy PC gamer who lurks these forums. $165 RX 470 operating at stock speeds pays for itself in 60 days with ZEC mining, and in 120 days with Ethereum mining. That means mining has never been less risky since there are now 2 viable currencies that make $ on GCN 1.0-4.0 architectures! It's even possible to purchase an MSI Gaming RX 480 4GB for $155, which makes $140 GTX1050Ti look like a total joke.

ZEC mining is even easier to set up than Ethereum mining. Pick any one good OpenCL miner, download a Windows ZEC wallet, edit the OpenCL miner's batch file by copy the ZEC generated windows wallet into the OpenCL miner's batch file. It's never been a better time to buy an RX470/480 because with mining they are virtually free in less than 6 months, even with casual mining. There are already RX 480 4GB cards that are selling for $190 without any rebates or discounts too.

Well, in that huge wall of text, you are missing (or deliberately ignoring) the one simple fact that puts the 1050Ti in a different category: it does not require a six pin connector. Very much like the 750Ti which also carried a premium for its efficiency, but sold very well. I also very seriously doubt that the technically unsophisticated user who is the market for a slot powered card are even going to have a clue what ethereum mining is, much less how to set up his system to support it.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I don't think anyone is disputing that this card is ok if you have an otherwise garbage system.

The point is most people could use a decent video card and for very little is even no extra money they can get 30-50% more performance it makes no sense to buy a 1050 ti over a 470.

But don't expect to see those weak systems that can't power a GPU OC their garbage CPU to levels that make it competitive for good gameplay anyway.

The popularity of the 750 Ti proves there's a sizeable market for these cards and it's not aimed at know-it-all elitists like you do. Shocking fact, I know.

 

[AtenRa]

I mean, the 4GB 480 can be had for $199 now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131708

Why buy a $170 470 over a $200 480?

The price difference seems trivial.

I will agree that if you can find a RX480 4GB at $199 it is better than the RX470 4GB at $170.

But, there are two reasons i can currently think someone might choose the RX 470 4GB over the 480

1. Low budget, spend the $30 for a faster CPU (example, Core i5 6400 vs 6500)
2. Lower power consumption or better Graphics Card implementation (example, custom RX 470 vs reference 480).

Other than that, RX 480 4GB at $199 is the one to get.

Personally i think that AMD doesnt have a direct competitor to the GTX 1050Ti, this card is currently alone and unchallenged in its segment.
AMD could bring a 75W non-6pin Polaris 10 card at $150 but they preferred to release a low volume high margins Professional card (WX5100) instead. Their lose, a 75W TDP non 6-pin Polaris 10 could drive sales/revenue/marketshare and mindshare up significantly. As i have said before, AMD needs to be more agresive and actually attack Intel/NVIDIA with every available means necessary even if that means lower Margins in the case of a $150 75W TDP Polaris 10 card.

Personally i wouldnt release a 120W TDP RX 470, this is what i would release with Polaris 10 Chip

RX 470 4GB = 75W TDP non 6-pin at $149
RX 480 4GB = 120W TDP at $199
RX 480 8GB = 150W TDP at $249

 

[cbn]

Personally i think that AMD doesnt have a direct competitor to the GTX 1050Ti, this card is currently alone and unchallenged in its segment.
AMD could bring a 75W non-6pin Polaris 10 card at $150 but they preferred to release a low volume high margins Professional card (WX5100) instead. Their lose, a 75W TDP non 6-pin Polaris 10 could drive sales/revenue/marketshare and mindshare up significantly. As i have said before, AMD needs to be more agresive and actually attack Intel/NVIDIA with every available means necessary even if that means lower Margins in the case of a $150 75W TDP Polaris 10 card.

Personally i wouldnt release a 120W TDP RX 470, this is what i would release with Polaris 10 Chip

RX 470 4GB = 75W TDP non 6-pin at $149
RX 480 4GB = 120W TDP at $199
RX 480 8GB = 150W TDP at $249

I think a 75W Polaris 10 card would be awesome.

 

[Sweepr]

Low Profile MSI GTX 1050 Ti: https://www.techpowerup.com/228014/msi-unveils-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-low-profile-graphics-card

 

[Krteq]

Wow, great choice for SFF HTPCs

 

[Blue_Max]

Low Profile MSI GTX 1050 Ti: https://www.techpowerup.com/228014/msi-unveils-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-low-profile-graphics-card

Oh. Em. Gee.

You're my dang hero! GREAT find!! I've been checking for new LP cards daily and this is new as of only this morning!

 

[VirtualLarry]

Low Profile MSI GTX 1050 Ti: https://www.techpowerup.com/228014/msi-unveils-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-low-profile-graphics-card

Niiiice! Maybe I'll have to pick one of those up.

 

[nvgpu]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1787451#post1787451

Looks like Pascal GP107 might support VP9 10bit Profile2 hardware decoding, on par with Kaby Lake and a generation ahead of the competitor.

https://developer.nvidia.com/nvidia-video-codec-sdk

**** VP9 10/12 bit decode support is limited to select Pascal chips

 

[MarkizSchnitzel]

I mean, the 4GB 480 can be had for $199 now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131708

Why buy a $170 470 over a $200 480?

The price difference seems trivial.

For some one, 150˘is the maximum. And than they somehow stretch it to 20 more to 170. And you expect them to stretch a further 30?

Not everybody has such expendable money to spend on pretty much useless things like GPUs.

 

[LTC8K6]

For some one, 150˘is the maximum. And than they somehow stretch it to 20 more to 170. And you expect them to stretch a further 30?

Not everybody has such expendable money to spend on pretty much useless things like GPUs.

No, I expect someone who is going to pay $170 for a 470 to just go ahead and get a 480.

For me, like many, computers are a hobby. All of the money I spend building computers is expendable money. I never spend money on computers that is needed elsewhere.

Since it's a hobby that is mostly for enjoyment and fun, I also always spend more than I should.

Pretty much like any hobby in the world.

 

[nvgpu]

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graph...-2-Using-GTX-1050-Ti-convert-OEM-PC-Gaming-PC