Geforce GTX 1050 / 1050 Ti Launch Thread ($109 / $139 - October 25th)

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Sweepr

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You had no issues with including them in your post..

I didn't, you don't need to rush in defense. I always stated I had no problem with synthetic benchmarks for same brand comparisons.

Now the same kind of tests are being used for comparisons (after being heavily criticized by him) just a few weeks ago. Oh, the irony.
 
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LTC8K6

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Why don't we wait for the reviews instead of trying to piece together a picture? Especially since it seems like boost clocks are going to vary a lot.
 

LTC8K6

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Hopefully we will get both types of 1050Ti cards in the comparisons, but I doubt it.
 

mohit9206

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@RussianSensation the 750ti sold so well because people with low power psu could buy it and install it in their PC and achieve good gaming performance. R9 270X with its 180W TDP was not an option for most people with 350W or less psu.
This time around the difference is less so with 1050Ti being 75W and RX470 being 120W but even then 1050Ti is guaranteed to be more popular due to being cheaper, more efficient and good enough for full hd gaming even though its performance is below the rx470.
Most places rx470 is still $200,it needs to come down to around $160 to put pressure on 1050Ti otherwise 1050Ti will outsell rx470 5:1
 

Bacon1

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I didn't, you don't need to rush in defense. I always stated I had no problem with synthetic benchmarks for same brand comparisons.

Now the same kind of tests are being used for comparisons (after being heavily criticized by him) just a few weeks ago. Oh, the irony.

He was quoting EVGA's press release for the cards... They are the ones saying it will be 16-26% faster. Are you trying to say it will be much faster than EVGA thinks? Slower? Not sure where the hype train is supposed to go.
 

LTC8K6

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If you have a 750/950 series card with no power connector, they want you to upgrade to the 1050 or 1050ti, so they are telling you how much faster it will be than the card you have now, while still not needing the connector.
 

antihelten

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Absolutely not. Cherry-picked settings in random titles NV picked don't matter to show the average performance delta. TimeSpy score shows that 1050Ti is barely faster than the GTX960. EVGA confirms it's not going to be even 25% faster than a GTX960:

"The EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti and 1050 may look small, but they offer big performance. In fact the EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti is about 26% faster than a GTX 950, and the GeForce GTX 1050 is about 16% faster." ~ Source

First of all I really don't see how those benches would be cherry picked seeing as the only way to really get an outsized difference between Pascal and Maxwell cards is to cherrypick games that uses a large amount of compute combined with async compute which isn't the case for any of the games seen here.

Second of all I never said that these games represented the final answer, quite the contrary in fact, if you had actually bothered reading my post.

Lastly it is nothing short of laughable that you accuse me of using cherrypicked titles and then go on to cherrypick a title of your own and a synthetic one at that.

It also seems you never read reviews on RX 470 closely as you would known just how much faster than GTX960 it really is, especially since RX 470 has ~20% overclocking scaling headroom.

Nope, not happening.

The one who needs to read some review here is you. Across a large range of reviews, the RX 470 is on average 40% faster than a GTX 960.

I was actually being generous to the RX 470, since my number assume a 50% difference between the two cards (if the 1050 Ti is 20% faster than GTX 960 and 20% slower than RX 470, then by extension the RX 470 must be 50% faster than the 960).

First, RX 470 has massive overclocking headroom that starts off a much stronger base performance than 1050Ti's will.

An overclocked RX 470 beats a stock RX 480 and GTX980.

It's cute that you think that you actually have the slightest clue about how the 1050 Ti will overclock relative to the RX 470, when in reality we all know that you don't, since noone has actually tested the overclockability of the 1050 Ti.

Second, 1050Ti's performance will be below 60 fps in modern titles in many cases where RX 470 won't be.

redatedsherlock, I already said that based on the above slides the RX 470 would be 25% faster.


In that context, the price/performance metric has to be taken into context. Just $30-40 more will get one to move into an RX 470/1060 3GB card that will actually provide solid 60 fps performance in AAA titles with minor settings turned down.

I don't think you understand how the price/performance metric works, you can't just say that $X more gives X FPS more, it's all about the relative difference. In other words $30-40 more is equal to 21-29% more (relative to $140 for the 1050 Ti), and for that you get 25% more performance.

You are free to make argument in absolute numbers, and in fact I would say that that can often be quite helpful, but that doesn't have anything to do with the price/performance metric.

It's amazing to reach on this forum how people are trying to align price/performance curves with the 1050Ti and RX 470 but at the same time advocate spending hundreds of dollars more to buy a GTX1070 instead of the Fury and don't even blink at the thought of recommending $220 more expensive GTX1080 over the GTX1070 for ~ 22-25% more performance. Why should a budget gamer try to save $30-40 and lose 20-30% more performance? That's a horrible trade-off.

And it's amazing how you can put up strawmen. I have never argued that anyone should buy a 1070 instead of a Fury, or a 1080 over a 1070, but by all means keep tilting at windmills.

Some of you clearly don't understand that in a blind-test, the average PC gamer who is the target market for sub-$200 dGPUs won't be able to tell the difference in playability between an RX 470/480/1060 3GB but they will be able to tell the difference between RX 470/1060 and the 1050Ti. In modern games, the RX 470 is very close to the RX 480/1060 cards.

And again with the strawmen, I never said that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Anyone would agree that the RX 470 being 25% faster is a significant difference.

Literally in recent AAA titles, RX 470 is up there with GTX1060 in performance. So how can it be that for just $30-40 savings the 1050Ti will be a good deal?

It's getting a bit tiresome to point out all your strawmen, since 90% of your post is strawman arguments, so I'm just going to stop now.

Anyway it's funny that you just accused me of cherrypicking when you know damn well that the 1060 beats the 470 in the vast majority of recent AAA titles. This is of course also clearly evident by the fact that the 1060 beats the 470 in 6 out of the 8 benchmarks you just cherrypicked.


It seems some of you never bothered reading reviews on RX 470 when you are comparing GTX1050Ti to it. RX 470 is much closer in performance to the GTX1060 3GB/GTX970/980/R9 390.

20-25% faster than GTX960 won't even make a dent to come close to the RX 470.

Again you're just plain wrong here, and to prove it I'll just give you the link again.

The 470 is on average 40% faster than the 960, so a card that is 20-25% faster than the 960 will be within 12-17% of the RX 470. And again I actually said that the RX 470 would be 25% faster than the 1050 Ti.

Thirdly, the market has even better deals than $170 RX 470 such as the $180 MSI Gaming RX 480 4GB. There is no way a GTX1050Ti is worth $140 for gaming in the USA when AIB RX 480 4GB is dropping to $180. We are talking $180 card that has similar performance to the $250-$300 GTX1060s. Now that's value! GTX1050 and 1050Ti need to be $79 and $109 cards to make sense. In the context of overall performance, it simply isn't logical to save $30-40 over 2-2.5 years of GPU ownership to lose 20-40% GPU performance. That's like 1/2 price of a single AAA game. RX 470/480 4GB and GTX1060 3GB are all bare minimum GPUs that gamers should be purchasing. Everything below should be skipped, unless going into the used dGPU market where R9 390/290/290X are dirt cheap.

That RX 480 is a nice deal without a doubt, but it's also a rarity. The second cheapest RX 480 on Newegg is $230. The truth is that all cards in this segment need to drop in price if RX 480 4GB starts to become generally available at $180. This includes the RX 470, RX 460, GTX 1060 (3 and 6GB) and of course the 1050 and 1050 Ti (although $79 and $109 are obviously hyperbole).

But until the RX 480 4GB actually becomes readily available at that price point, it's a moot point.

As I mentioned already, even if AMD had cards 30-40% faster than GTX1050/1050Ti, NV would still outsell them. So any logical argument why GTX1050/1050Ti won't be worth buying will fall on deaf ears just like 8600GT/8600GTS/GTS450/550Ti/GT610->650Ti/GT710->750Ti all sold well and they were all horrible gaming GPUs.

If the numbers shake out according similarly to those graphs, then AMD will have a card that's maybe 25% and costs about 30% more, whilst using upwards of twice the power and requiring a PCI power connector.

It wouldn't really be weird if the 1050 Ti sold well.

And quite frankly the 1050 Ti is a brilliant e-game GPU, which is exactly what it's being marketed as.




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Det0x

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So now synthetic benchmarks are valid for gaming performance comparisons?

I would say it is, as long as you compare within the same generation/architecture of cards, hence its a valid comparison for paxwell

antihelten said:
The 470 is on average 40% faster than the 960, so a card that is 20-25% faster than the 960 will be within 12-17% of the RX 470.

EVGA clearly states GTX 1050 TI is "only" 26% faster then GTX 950

If i remember correctly, 960 is ~15% faster then 950

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http://techreport.com/review/29061/nvidia-geforce-gtx-950-graphics-card-reviewed/11

If my "math" is correct, then 470 is ~30% faster then 1050TI (161/126)

100%baseline gtx 950
115% gtx 960
126% 1050 TI
161% 470 (115% * 1.4)
 
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jpiniero

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The 470 is on average 40% faster than the 960, so a card that is 20-25% faster than the 960 will be within 12-17% of the RX 470. And again I actually said that the RX 470 would be 25% faster than the 1050 Ti.

The stock 1050 Ti isn't going to be anywhere near 960 performance. It'll be barely faster than the 1400 Mhz 950's.
 
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nurturedhate

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From your link:



So now synthetic benchmarks are valid for gaming performance comparisons?
Would you like some assistance with his post? It seems you missed something. The point was that an Nvidia partner (EVGA) is clearly stating the performance of 1050 in relation to the previous 950. An Nvidia partner is stating performance of 1050 in relation to 950. Do you need it repeated again? We can if you want. It can be hard for some people, it's ok.
 

Sweepr

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Eurogamer said:
On top of this, Nvidia has moved to a different production process for this Pascal card - Samsung's 14nm FinFET - which is licensed by AMD fab of choice, Global Foundries. Radeon cards have struggled to match the clocks found in Nvidia's Pascal architecture, but we're told that this is not a factor with the GP107 - custom cards with additional PCI Express power can apparently see overclocks hit 2GHz territory, just like the rest of the Pascal line-up.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...a-reveals-gtx-1050-1050-ti-pascal-on-a-budget
 

vissarix

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Nah not impressed at all, im going to buy an rx460 which is yes 40% slower compared to the gtx1050ti but after 15 years it will be on par, or maybe even faster
 
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Piroko

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Hopefully the 1050ti will put the final nail in the anemic rx 460 coffin. The 4 gb models go for up to 170 euro around where i live, which is totally insane. I hope this forces amd to release the uncut polaris 11.
Yeah the 460 really isn't the hero that we want. It just doesn't move the bar up at its current price. The 1050(Ti) could really roll up the price segment of 100~150€ in Europe.

(in before it gets sold for 150~200€...)
 

Bacon1

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The notion of a 768 CUDA core GTX 1050 Ti matching the performance of the 1152 core GTX 1060 3GB GTX 1060 might be asking a bit much

So to get high OC's you'll need additional power, which removes their use in power starved machines. It also won't match the 1060 3GB performance wise and leaves very little room for pricing with the base ones starting @ $140. With 1060 3GB @ $199 and 470 right there as well. Kinda odd place for it to be.
 

jpiniero

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So to get high OC's you'll need additional power, which removes their use in power starved machines. It also won't match the 1060 3GB performance wise and leaves very little room for pricing with the base ones starting @ $140. With 1060 3GB @ $199 and 470 right there as well. Kinda odd place for it to be.

I imagine the base ones will keep their pricing around $140 and the real OC ones will be $150-160. That pricing is fine as long as the 470 mostly stays at $199 though.

AMD is going to have to cut the 460's price down to $99 for sure.
 

USER8000

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Wow,the TDP has gone up from 60W for the GTX750/GTX750TI to 75W for the GTX1050/GTX1050TI. It looks like if the TDP increase is any indication,these will be both consuming more power than the cards they replace. It makes the GTX950 without a power connector look even more impressive:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_950/

It looks like the GTX1050TI will be a GTX950 Green Edition card with a 25% clockspeed boost.

Edit to post.

I am surprise the GTX1050 is not a 60W TDP card.
 
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