Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

[Keysplayr]

I like the "under windows" stipulation there...

Probably knows that the 1070 gets a decent 31MH/s at 145W under Linux, but that doesn't matter because it doesn't fit his agenda to sell the red cards...

https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/7722/gtx-1070-fe-mining-benchmarks

Wow, that's a pretty impressive rate? But only under Linux huh? That is interesting. Well, at least it's easy to put together a Linux box for this.

 

[Erenhardt]

I like the "under windows" stipulation there...

Probably knows that the 1070 gets a decent 31MH/s at 145W under Linux, but that doesn't matter because it doesn't fit his agenda to sell the red cards...

https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/7722/gtx-1070-fe-mining-benchmarks

Well, if you are willing to run each card individually in dedicated mining rig, sure. Not terrible. Still, perf/watt on par with rx480.

The problems starts when you add more cards. Then the speed drops to 26MH/s which is slower than rx480 and with higher power draw. Not to mention it is more expensive and unavailable.

Oh, and it is unstable, crashing every 24 hours at least.

 

[Yakk]

With the kind of scaling the 480 in Crossfire is getting at 4K and beating the 1080 in many games, I'm curious to see what the 1060 can do in SLI and at what price.

Also Microsoft's DX12 work on multi-gpu is making this very interesting.

 

[Shivansps]

DX12 multi gpu will work wharever Nvidia wants it or not.

 

[tential]

Well, this is exactly why I said amd screwed up releasing their midrange / low end first and having nothing in the high end. Nvidia will launch the 1060 it doesn't matter what they do with it, there is no way amd can combat it + the 1070/1080.

This is just going to be another year of Nvidia sales domination.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Well, this is exactly why I said amd screwed up releasing their midrange / low end first and having nothing in the high end. Nvidia will launch the 1060 it doesn't matter what they do with it, there is no way amd can combat it + the 1070/1080.

This is just going to be another year of Nvidia sales domination.

NVIDIA dedicates much more resources to discrete GPUs, particularly for gamers, so I'm not surprised.

 

[garagisti]

My guess is those with Geforce GTX 1060 will be happy to run most games faster on average at lower power (if Geforce GTX980-like performance and 120W TDP is true) until then, especially if they don't have to pay much more than a Radeon RX 480 8GB costs. Another guess: those that opt for Geforce GTX 1060 probably known which titles they're interested and that might not include (half baked) DX12 ports.

We have only one half baked dx 12 title so far, it is "return of the tomb raider." Most actually increase performance over dx11 versions, but then again, i'm assuming most people will want increased performance offered by DX12, than some random gimmickry.

 

[garagisti]

290X launched at $549.



Nice! :thumbsup:



I don't know, GeForces seem to hold up better, although I haven't done extensive research across multiple models. That might be something interesting to do at some point.

You know what, a brand new 980 is selling for a little over $300 these days. Only a fool will pay $300 for used.

 

[garagisti]

You can't compare equivalent USD retail prices with U.S and other countries, when latter have import taxes, sometimes hugely so.

But damn if the 1060 6GB is really priced the same as the 480 8GB NV is going for the jugular at AMD, no mercy style. I can't see anybody wanting to buy RX480s in that scenario.

Really? I thought the MSRP for reference 480 8gb was $230.

Nvidia right now is sitting on its customer base, who will give them repeat business for whatever reason, an envious proposition, from a business perspective. However, from a consumer perspective, it's not great. I mean, look at how Nvidia handled its 3.5gb cards, or bumpgate. It was almost as ballsy as "you're holding your phone wrong"

 

[96Firebird]

Well, if you are willing to run each card individually in dedicated mining rig, sure. Not terrible. Still, perf/watt on par with rx480.

The problems starts when you add more cards. Then the speed drops to 26MH/s which is slower than rx480 and with higher power draw. Not to mention it is more expensive and unavailable.

Oh, and it is unstable, crashing every 24 hours at least.

In the context of RS's post, the discussion was about someone who could pay off their gaming GPU by mining. In my mind, that is someone who buys a single card, maybe 2, not someone who is creating a mining farm. Either way, I can only speculate that the 1060 will be just as efficient as the 1070 while mining, maybe even more so since it is a full chip.

But to say only AMD cards can mine is disingenuous.

 

[Sweepr]

Latest and probably last round of rumors before reviews (Baidu):

- TDP is around 110W
- Reference cards are clocked at 1506/1705 MHz
- Overclocks up to 2140 MHz (cap)
- Most (reference?) cards should hit 2000-2080 MHz
- Overall performance is very good, no difference to Geforce GTX 980
- There are 3GB and 6GB models
- Suggested price for them in Taiwan is NT$ 10,990 yuan (3GB), NT$ 12,990 (6GB)

 

[tviceman]

Latest and probably last round of rumors before reviews (Baidu):

- TDP is around 110W
- Reference cards are clocked at 1506/1705 MHz
- Overclocks up to 2140 MHz (cap)
- Most (reference?) cards should hit 2000-2080 MHz
- Overall performance is very good, no difference to Geforce GTX 980
- There are 3GB and 6GB models
- Suggested price for them in Taiwan is NT$ 10,990 yuan (3GB), NT$ 12,990 (6GB)

What is the MSRP for the 1070 in Taiwan? A quick google search shows NT$ 19,999. If prices translate 1:1, that would mean the 6gb is $249.99 USD

 

[sirmo]

Well, this is exactly why I said amd screwed up releasing their midrange / low end first and having nothing in the high end. Nvidia will launch the 1060 it doesn't matter what they do with it, there is no way amd can combat it + the 1070/1080.

This is just going to be another year of Nvidia sales domination.

I don't think AMD has sold this many GPUs since the 5850. So I disagree.

 

[Sweepr]

What is the MSRP for the 1070 in Taiwan? A quick google search shows NT$ 19,999. If prices translate 1:1, that would mean the 6gb is $249.99 USD

An indication that it could be competitively priced was posted here yesterday:

GTX 1060 apparent pricing. 1999 RMB -> $299 USD. Same as RX 480 apparently.

That's exactly reference Radeon RX 480 8GB's launch price in China.

 

[Kenmitch]

- Suggested price for them in Taiwan is NT$ 10,990 yuan (3GB), NT$ 12,990 (6GB)

NT$ is New Taiwan Dollar?

If so NT$ 10,999 would be $339 USD and 12,999 would be $400 USD

 

[Kenmitch]

What is the MSRP for the 1070 in Taiwan? A quick google search shows NT$ 19,999. If prices translate 1:1, that would mean the 6gb is $249.99 USD

Google search for NT$ 19,999 to USD shows $617

 

[sirmo]

I like the "under windows" stipulation there...

Probably knows that the 1070 gets a decent 31MH/s at 145W under Linux, but that doesn't matter because it doesn't fit his agenda to sell the red cards...

https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/7722/gtx-1070-fe-mining-benchmarks

I find that hard to believe.

Under Linux people are reporting about 23 MHS on average as hashrate for mining Ethereum on GTX 1080

http://cryptomining-*********/tag/ethereum-hashrate-gtx-1070/

Which is less than what we've seen from rx480.

edit: well can't paste the URL as part of it seems to be banned on this forum. But google search that statement.

 

[96Firebird]

Keep reading that post, it will tell you that the 1080 gets lower hashrate compared to the 1070, speculating the fault is GDDR5X memory.

 

[tential]

NVIDIA dedicates much more resources to discrete GPUs, particularly for gamers, so I'm not surprised.

I just don't get why people think amd could beat Nvidia in volume and timing. Amd needs an all around better product to gain marketshare. Price/performance is great but I really don't get who wouldn't buy the best product when it's a 20-30 price difference between both brands. I personally will buy Vega since I need free sync tech, but I'm unsure how amd Plans to get people to switch when they aren't offering anything particular game changing.

Otherwise to me, what's the difference between nothing vendors? Not much, so people will get what they like until someone has a significantly better product.

 

[Silverforce11]

$249 6GB is a good deal. They can't get to $299 due to 1070 on top pressuring price downwards for a tier below and the mainstream mass volume market just do not exist at $299+!

$199 for 3GB and $249 for 6GB 1060, fair enough.

People would opt for the 6GB for sure though. It's not justifiable to have a 980 class of performance with 3GB vram when the 980 had 4GB. That's paying good money for zero future proofing.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Really? I thought the MSRP for reference 480 8gb was $230.

Nvidia right now is sitting on its customer base, who will give them repeat business for whatever reason, an envious proposition, from a business perspective. However, from a consumer perspective, it's not great. I mean, look at how Nvidia handled its 3.5gb cards, or bumpgate. It was almost as ballsy as "you're holding your phone wrong"

If you are not happy with situation, bring it up to the PR and marketing arm of AMD who has been redactedfor a decade. Don't blame NV when AMD is utterly incompetent on making the business side of things work.

 

[littleg]

$249 6GB is a good deal. They can't get to $299 due to 1070 on top pressuring price downwards for a tier below and the mainstream mass volume market just do not exist at $299+!

$199 for 3GB and $249 for 6GB 1060, fair enough.

People would opt for the 6GB for sure though. It's not justifiable to have a 980 class of performance with 3GB vram when the 980 had 4GB. That's paying good money for zero future proofing.

Agree :thumbsup:

I don't think the 3GB version will get many recommendations apart from in some corner cases of if the build is really budget constrained.

A 6GB 1060 for $249 (maybe around $279 for decent AIB boards?) would be a good deal. About the right price and hits the sweet spot for vram relative to performance.

We seem to have a really good competition heating up in the mainstream segment.

 

[tviceman]

$249 6GB is a good deal. They can't get to $299 due to 1070 on top pressuring price downwards for a tier below and the mainstream mass volume market just do not exist at $299+!

$199 for 3GB and $249 for 6GB 1060, fair enough.

People would opt for the 6GB for sure though. It's not justifiable to have a 980 class of performance with 3GB vram when the 980 had 4GB. That's paying good money for zero future proofing.

Agreed. A 3gb card will struggle with some games right now, let alone 1 year from now. It is virtually worthless at any price point. Nvidia would be better off neutering the memory bus to 128-bit (incuring a performance penalty) and going with a GTX 1050 TI 4gb vram for $179 instead of 3gb 192-bit bus at $199. Then again, people bought a 768mb GTX 460 so maybe Nvidia knows they'd be better off with 3gb. If R9 280x cards are still going strong.....

Anyways, if the GTX 1060 6gb is $249 and is within 2-3% of GTX 980, it will be an even trade off (dare I say I better one), to get 8-10% more performance and a lower TDP vs. 2 more gb of vram. These are 1080p cards despite AMD hyping up 1440p and 6gb should be plenty for the next 2 years at 1080p. Plus the 1060 will surely have more OC headroom than the RX 480, which seems to have adopted undervolting as a positive feature instead of overclocking.

 

[Silverforce11]

Agreed. A 3gb card will struggle with some games right now, let alone 1 year from now. If the GTX 1060 6gb is $249 and is within 2-3% of GTX 980, it will be an even trade off (dare I say I better one), to get 8-10% more performance and a lower TDP vs. 2 more gb of vram. These are 1080p cards despite AMD hyping up 1440p and 6gb should be plenty for the next 2 years at 1080p. Plus the 1060 will surely have more OC headroom than the RX 480, which seems to have adopted undervolting as a positive feature instead of overclocking.

Just note when the 1060 is in retail, it's competitor isn't the crappy reference RX 480 that's running overvolted and throttling.

Both my RX 480 with an undervolt runs cooler/quieter, less power, while being around 4% faster than stock settings. Not a big perf gain, but now it's around 390X/980 instead of behind and the perf/w obviously go up. It even runs under-volted with a small OC so there's room there for AIBs to tweak it better than AMD's effort.

Custom RX 480 should be better than reference, so these cards are the true competitor for the 1060.

It's going to come down to ~ same price & performance, 1060 wins on perf/w, but rx 480 wins with 4GB & 8GB vs 3/6GB.

It's not great for AMD, but it will be an interesting battle in the mainstream for sure.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Pretty shocked if the 6GB version doesn't have SLI?! This is a mainstream gaming card, it will probably sell the most among gamers and yet they remove the SLI?!