Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

[sirmo]

I predict that supply of this card is going to be crap for a long while, and thus prices will remain inflated. nVidia can't even keep up with the smaller demand for the higher-end cards, and it seems likely they pulled this launch forward because of the RX480. If availability of the 1060 looks anything like the 1070/1080, there will be no stock anywhere for this higher-demand market segment.

I am inclined to agree. I am sceptical about the yields. And as to why would Nvidia shift production to the lower margin 1060 and not just make more out of stock 1070/80

 

[Stuka87]

I am surprised so many people are thinking that there is actually going to be a $250 1060. We still have not seen a single 1070 or 1080 anywhere close to the "MSRP" price. This very much a $300 card.

 

[exar333]

I am surprised so many people are thinking that there is actually going to be a $250 1060. We still have not seen a single 1070 or 1080 anywhere close to the "MSRP" price. This very much a $300 card.

You can get a 1080 at $10 over msrp pretty easily. The 1070 seems to be the one that is a bit more $30-40 premium is typical.

With a lower price bracket, there will be pressure to keep prices at or as close to $250. Just as we see with the 480, initial price gouging is the norm... (at least in NA)

 

[Insomniator]

I am surprised so many people are thinking that there is actually going to be a $250 1060. We still have not seen a single 1070 or 1080 anywhere close to the "MSRP" price. This very much a $300 card.

There is a 1070 on newegg right now for $399, I'd consider that 'pretty close' to $379 MSRP.

I'd prob take a $269 1060 over $239 480.

Remember the 480 is slower than the 980 that the 1060 is supposedly going to perform at.

 

[Kenmitch]

I am surprised so many people are thinking that there is actually going to be a $250 1060. We still have not seen a single 1070 or 1080 anywhere close to the "MSRP" price. This very much a $300 card.

Other than a couple more sales there isn't really much incentive for the AIB's to go in at msrp. These will sell most likely either way. The new dual pricing scheme seems strange too me. We're going to price ours at $299 but your more than welcome to sell yours at $249. Not sure about everybody else but when I'm looking at cards I picture the ones that are cheaper as inferior most of the time. Cards on sale overcome this psychological effect for the most part. As time goes on cards will get closer to the lowball msrp and possibly below it.

 

[TeknoBug]

1060 definitely ill be more expensive than the past identical successors, GTX560Ti, 660Ti, 760, 960, etc. I remember getting my GTX560Ti for merely $240 CDN the 760 for $279 CDN and the 960 for $300 CDN (which has gone up since then), the GTX1060 will be easily $480-500 CDN.

 

[sirmo]

If that leak pcper reported on http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Preview-Pascal-GP106

Is correct, I think 1060 will be on par with rx480 in terms of performance. 980 looks faster than both by a similar margin.. with AMD already testing a driver which would close the gap.

980 is 6.4% faster than 1060 and 9% faster than rx480.. with this new driver giving AMD another 3% perf. So it should be pretty interesting, I expect them to trade the blows, with rx480 gaining in the future with more DX12 titles slated to come out.

 

[brandonmatic]

The 120W power consumption for that level of performance is great. But going by history the RX 480 will probably soon be the faster card and certainly in DX12. Looking forward to the benchmarks.

 

[Keysplayr]

I am surprised so many people are thinking that there is actually going to be a $250 1060. We still have not seen a single 1070 or 1080 anywhere close to the "MSRP" price. This very much a $300 card.

I thought I've read there were some 399.00 1070s.

hold please

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125875

Out of stock at the moment, but that is likely due to it's lowest price around for 1070. And this is a slightly factory o/c'd model.

That is only 20.00 above MSRP for an o/c'd model. I think prices will calm down after a while.

 

[sirmo]

The 120W power consumption for that level of performance is fantastic. But going by history the RX 480 will probably soon be the faster card and certainly in DX12. Looking forward to the benchmarks.

Yup, we also know reference rx480 is power throttled. Just sliding the power limit a bit improves frames considerably. It is possible the 1060 won't have this problem as it appears well within the 150 watt envelope.

This tells me that even with everything as is.. AIB designs will give rx480 an edge, because I expect both of these cards to have similar overclocking gains in terms of actual performance. rx480 will use more power but it should also provide better performance.

 

[exar333]

If that leak pcper reported on http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Preview-Pascal-GP106

Is correct, I think 1060 will be on par with rx480 in terms of performance. 980 looks faster than both by a similar margin.. with AMD already testing a driver which would close the gap.

980 is 6.4% faster than 1060 and 9% faster than rx480.. with this new driver giving AMD another 3% perf. So it should be pretty interesting, I expect them to trade the blows, with rx480 gaining in the future with more DX12 titles slated to come out.

I wonder if sites will use the new driver in 'compatibility mode' or not? If yes, the 3% is actually X% less (all we know is the 3% 'substantially offsets' the performance penalty). If no, then 3% more performance is expected.

 

[sirmo]

I wonder if sites will use the new driver in 'compatibility mode' or not? If yes, the 3% is actually X% less (all we know is the 3% 'substantially offsets' the performance penalty). If no, then 3% more performance is expected.

It's off by default, so I doubt it. Some might do it for comparison's sake..

 

[Azix]

If that leak pcper reported on http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Preview-Pascal-GP106

Is correct, I think 1060 will be on par with rx480 in terms of performance. 980 looks faster than both by a similar margin.. with AMD already testing a driver which would close the gap.

980 is 6.4% faster than 1060 and 9% faster than rx480.. with this new driver giving AMD another 3% perf. So it should be pretty interesting, I expect them to trade the blows, with rx480 gaining in the future with more DX12 titles slated to come out.

This is what i expect. The numbers just don't add up to better than 980 performance. AFAIK you still need the shaders up to par to excel when there are no bottlenecks elsewhere.

 

[Stuka87]

I thought I've read there were some 399.00 1070s.

hold please

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125875

Out of stock at the moment, but that is likely due to it's lowest price around for 1070. And this is a slightly factory o/c'd model.

That is only 20.00 above MSRP for an o/c'd model. I think prices will calm down after a while.

Oh I am sure prices will drop eventually, they typically do. I just think its very disingenuous for nVidia to play this game with two prices. Reviewers (most likely per request from nVidia) always use the MSRP for their Priceerformance ratio, not the actual cost of the card. And makes consumers think the card is more affordable than it actually is.

 

[Keysplayr]

Oh I am sure prices will drop eventually, they typically do. I just think its very disingenuous for nVidia to play this game with two prices. Reviewers (most likely per request from nVidia) always use the MSRP for their Priceerformance ratio, not the actual cost of the card. And makes consumers think the card is more affordable than it actually is.

So don't buy until the gouging has subsided or stock clocked non founders versions populate. It isn't disingenuous. MSRP is MSRP meaning "suggested" retail price. Early adopters pay the gouge tax. All they need to do is be patient. And, anyone can do this. It's just a question of if they want to.

 

[mohit9206]

Nvidia just killed AMD in the $200-300 market.$250 for 1060 6gb is very reasonable against AMDs $240 RX480.Lower TDP,15% better perf(acc to Nvidia),better overclockability,much lower cpu overhead and almost same price although AIB cards will obviously be $20-30 more.

 

[Keysplayr]

Nvidia just killed AMD in the $200-300 market.$250 for 1060 6gb is very reasonable against AMDs $240 RX480.Lower TDP,15% better perf(acc to Nvidia),better overclockability,much lower cpu overhead and almost same price although AIB cards will obviously be $20-30 more.

15℅ better hasn't been proven yet. It's likely that is under dx11 titles. AMD seems to have the dx12 edge, at least for now. Doesn't mean there won't be improvements.

 

[desura]

Not surprisingly, Nvidia beats out AMD. I don't get AMD fanboys. Their products are consistently more inefficient and slower.

Anyways, I'm kinda too lazy to upgrade my 750ti. I might wait till Volta and the 1160 to upgrade.

 

[AnandThenMan]

If that leak pcper reported on http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Preview-Pascal-GP106

The starting MSRP for the GeForce GTX 1060 partner cards will be $249. The Founders Edition card, designed by NVIDIA and the one we were sent for our initial reviews, will cost $299 and will be available ONLY at NVIDIA.com. NVIDIA is listing this one as “limited edition” so I would assume that means we will not see the Founders Edition throughout the entirety of the life of the GTX 1060.

Bait and switch again, a $249 card that initially you can't buy for that price.

 

[Yakk]

15℅ better hasn't been proven yet. It's likely that is under dx11 titles. AMD seems to have the dx12 edge, at least for now. Doesn't mean there won't be improvements.

If the best nvidia marketing slides can get is 15% under the old DX11, then the 1060 will probably match it at best.

In DX12 & Vulkan I would expect at least a 30% to 40% benefit for the 480, especially with its 2 new HMS programmable Async modules in addition to the regular ACE modules!

 

[HOOfan 1]

Any word on when we will see real benchmarks, not just "leaks"?

 

[guachi]

Well, I'll believe this card is really $249 when I see it.

I fully expect the card will be +/- 5% of the 480 and will realistically be $300 if in stock.

Which means that the 480 at a cheaper price and more availability, at least in July and August, will mean I will be getting a 480.

 

[Keysplayr]

If the best nvidia marketing slides can get is 15% under the old DX11, then the 1060 will probably match it at best.

In DX12 & Vulkan I would expect at least a 30% to 40% benefit for the 480, especially with its 2 new HMS programmable Async modules in addition to the regular ACE modules!

NDA is up soon. I guess we will have our answers shortly.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Any word on when we will see real benchmarks, not just "leaks"?

Good question.

 

[zinfamous]

I think the 480 will be outperforming the 1060 by about 10% within 4 or 5 months with driver optimizations (assuming Nvidia actually supports their 1060 that far out), in DX12 it will be a much wider gap favoring the 480.

This looks like a good card for what it is, but at the likely $300 and $70-100+ more than a 480 price point? Seems like a terrible choice over a 480. They will still sell like crazy, though.