Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

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thilanliyan

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Well, the closest the 1070 got to it's 379.00 MSRP was a currently out of stock (for good reason) Gigabyte card at Newegg at 399.00. Twenty dollars over MSRP, especially for a slightly overclocked AIB is pretty good.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125875

I'm sure in general that is a good card, but it only has one 8-pin connector whereas several other boards have at least a 6-pin and 8-pin. I nearly bought that card but since I'm watercooling and OCing, I didn't want to run into any power issues so I held off. If I end up getting a 1070 it will probably be the MSI Gaming X or Zotac versions.
 

sirmo

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What the hell man? Since when are we looking at the "chip" power draw only? I've been following graphics cards for some years now, and now with the RX 480 launch, it's the first time I see people suddenly focusing on the power draw of the chip. I think it's irrelevant.

Also, look at the reviews for the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080. The reference models heavily adhere to the TDP. Look at the reference GTX 960 and other Maxwell's. They too heavily adhered to the TDP.

So if the RX 480's power draw issue isn't fixed and we see the average gaming load power draw at 165W, for Nvidia it would likely be 115W. That 50W difference is quite something, especially since the Nvidia card has got even better performance (likely).

That 2GB extra memory, maybe, just maybe, contributes an extra 7 Watts of VRAM. And that's nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Of course we're not operating on GPU only.. but it's the only metric I can verify since only GPU is monitored by GPU-Z and I don't, like most folks have a jig to measure consumption on the whole board.

If 8Gb of VRAM is using 40+ watts of energy.. which it very well might.. it should be considered in conversations when assessing GPU/architectural efficiency. As it's a good chunk of the total GPU TDP.

Is there a 3gb version of 1060? Early reports suggested there was but perhaps not. And is Nvidia using that for their 110watt claim? Because 3 vs 8gb of same VRAM could be the difference of 25 watts.
 

Sweepr

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GFXBench (Windows OpenGL) results for Geforce GTX 1060 6GB

% of Geforce GTX 1070 8GB GFXBench performance

- Car Chase: 70.9%
- Manhattan 3.1: 73.8%
- Manhattan: 73.4%
- T-Rex: 66.6%
- ALU 2: 73.6%
- Tesselation: 70.5%
- Texturing: 71.6%

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?be...&hwtype2=dGPU&hwname2=NVIDIA+GeForce+GTX+1070

Radeon RX 480 8GB % of Geforce GTX 1070 8GB gaming performance according to TechPowerUp:
1080p: 66.6%
1440p: 65.3%
4K: 66.2%
 

MrTeal

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GFXBench (Windows OpenGL) results for Geforce GTX 1060 6GB

% of Geforce GTX 1070 8GB GFXBench performance

- Car Chase: 70.9%
- Manhattan 3.1: 73.8%
- Manhattan: 73.4%
- T-Rex: 66.6%
- ALU 2: 73.6%
- Tesselation: 70.5%
- Texturing: 71.6%

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?be...&hwtype2=dGPU&hwname2=NVIDIA+GeForce+GTX+1070

Radeon RX 480 8GB % of Geforce GTX 1070 8GB gaming performance according to TechPowerUp:
1080p: 66.6%
1440p: 65.3%
4K: 66.2%

Obviously not an exact comparison, but if you sub the scaled 1070 numbers from Geekbench into the TPU chart that puts the 1060 about 7.5% ahead of the RX480 @ 1080.
 

Ketchup

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Obviously not an exact comparison, but if you sub the scaled 1070 numbers from Geekbench into the TPU chart that puts the 1060 about 7.5% ahead of the RX480 @ 1080.

Looks good to me.

Does anyone think this card has sepeate optimizations that will come with driver updates? Or is the general thinking that the same instructions would apply to 1080/1070/1060?
 

antihelten

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Obviously not an exact comparison, but if you sub the scaled 1070 numbers from Geekbench into the TPU chart that puts the 1060 about 7.5% ahead of the RX480 @ 1080.

That would make it a tad slower than a 980, which is a bit disappointing after Nvidia claimed the 1060 would be faster than a 980.
 

Sweepr

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NVIDIA confirms suggested retail prices for GeForce GTX 1060



I think the most interesting price is for Euro-Zone countries. The MSRP for GTX 1060 Founders Edition is 319 EUR, while MSRP for custom cards is 279 EUR. For comparison RX 480 price in Euro-zone is 10 EUR lower (269 EUR).

GTX 1060 3GB?
What this table does not say is the price of 3GB model. You probably didn’t hear too much about it yet, but I can tell you that this model should be available mid-August (~3 weeks after 1060 6GB goes official), and it should probably be even cheaper than 6GB version.

I can also tell you that NVIDIA already has another card in the making, which is GTX 1050.

http://videocardz.com/62049/nvidia-confirms-suggested-prices-for-geforce-gtx-1060
 

LTC8K6

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That would make it a tad slower than a 980, which is a bit disappointing after Nvidia claimed the 1060 would be faster than a 980.

But the extrapolation could easily be off by 10%, so the 1060 may indeed match a 980 much of the time.
 

96Firebird

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I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone give pixel measurements yet as to the die size.... cough....

If you find me a decent high-res top down shot of the die I'll give it a try...

Also, has to be within the next hour before I leave work.
 

Ketchup

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That would make it a tad slower than a 980, which is a bit disappointing after Nvidia claimed the 1060 would be faster than a 980.
This will be interesting to see, for sure. I can't help but wish that this source had included their numbers from a 980. Without them, one has to assume that their scores relate well to those from other sources.

As LTC8K6, it's even that blurb on info we have is close enough not to prove Nvidia wrong, yet.
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1614307-1-1.html

I have already measured it to be approximately 200-205mm2

And with ~22M transistors per mm2, it should have approximately 4-4.5B transistors

That's very interesting. That makes it seem like it should have more than 1280 cores. More in the neighborhood of ~1500ish. Right? So is 1060 a cut chip, maybe?

Edit: Unless GP106 does indeed have a 256 bit bus and its a large fixed size around ~70mm^2, then around 1280 cores makes sense. I don't know what kind of die space the memory bus takes, though.
 
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antihelten

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But the extrapolation could easily be off by 10%, so the 1060 may indeed match a 980 much of the time.

This will be interesting to see, for sure. I can't help but wish that this source had included their numbers from a 980. Without them, one has to assume that their scores relate well to those from other sources.

As LTC8K6, it's even that blurb on info we have is close enough not to prove Nvidia wrong, yet.

Without a doubt this is very flimsy evidence to conclude anything on and I certainly wouldn't want to do so. My point is simply that it would be disappointing if the 1060 doesn't end up beating the 980 as promised.

Hopefully we will be seeing some more informative leaks soon.
 

MrTeal

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crisium

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That's very interesting. That makes it seem like it should have more than 1280 cores. More in the neighborhood of ~1500ish. Right? So is 1060 a cut chip, maybe?

Edit: Unless GP106 does indeed have a 256 bit bus and its a large fixed size around ~70mm^2, then around 1280 cores makes sense. I don't know what kind of die space the memory bus takes, though.

Maybe more bus width (sort of doubtful), but I really doubt there's more cores on it.

960 is exactly half a 980, but is 57% of the size. This ratio is only slightly bigger (~64% of the size?), but it already has 50% more ROPs and 50% more bus width than the 960 had relative to the 980, so that's where the extra space goes I would wager.
 
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Thanks for that link. So it's about 11.5% smaller, at least 1.2b less transistors, and will consume 30-40 less watts than Polaris.

I have been reading up and basing this on what i have read(i could be wrong), and gcn might be much more flexible than pascal.
I assume that pascal is more energy efficient and high clocking because the pascal architecture is less flexible than gcn, meaning everything is hardwired and optimized as much as possible already. This is why gcn improved over the years, the ace to some extent and the hws mostly from gcn (and thus polaris) can be updated with microcode. So, when (AMD or game developing or Sony or Microsoft) software engineers come up with an elegant solution, it is sometimes possible to update the gcn hws to get a performance improvement when scheduling wavefronts for the compute units.
Maybe Microsoft realized this too and Sony as well (New intermediate updates for the consoles).

For pascal, i assume Nvidia made very optimized functional units that perform top of the line and can clock extremely high. :thumbsup: But maybe can not be patched with microcode. They are perhaps hardwired, meaning they are fixed in silicon. So any issues that may arise has to be solved on the driver level. And this may also be why Nvidia cards do not age as well as when compared to AMD gcn based cards.

This is all assumption on my part. I have no proof. But it sure explains a lot.
A real comparison can only be made by software engineers that develop optimized code for both cards and know and understand the limitations of both pascal and gcn4(1.3).

I assume the reason why pascal is so much more energy efficient than gcn is that it is very possible less flexible than gcn. But of course, Nvidia is very good at predicting how long a given gpu family will be sufficient in time. When more gcn games(that favort async compute and like ace and hws) come out in the future and pascal is no longer sufficient, a new family will come out. Good economics.

See it like an asic and a cpu. An asic compression codec is much faster than a cpu. And consumes less power.

Footnote :
Also, i get the impression from reading all the reviews here and there, that polaris might have the same issues as the fury cards did, not all cu can be utilized efficiently for graphics at the moment. I think Nvidia cards get utilized better. But that will change with driver updates in time.
Also, AMD is seriously waiting for dx12 games that favor async compute a lot and make heavy use of ace and hws. Then, we will see what has been seen before in the recent past, lot of async compute will not slow down a gcn based chip much. When the updated consoles come out, (which have mostly updated ACE and HWS hardware (!). Then and only then we will see polaris shine, because then the game engines for the consoles are backported to run on the pc. And run quite well.
 
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I have mixed feelings about 3-4 GB $200-250 cards in 2016. Will have to see how it fares in the latest titles.

The problem with 3GB for the 1060 is a simple one.

It's got 980 class performance, but less vram than the 980 did. Heck, even less than the 970 did and it's what, 20% faster than a 970?

A lot faster than GTX 780 or 780Ti and it's got 3GB vram.

Not a future proof purchase at all.

4GB at least draws it parallel for the 980 performance class, which is still very capable.

Basically it's got the performance to max settings at 1080p and should do 1440p decently with an OC, but without the vram capacity to handle maxing texture quality, the most important setting that determines image quality.

People should take this into account and recommend the 6GB variant for users who come to tech forums to seek advice.
 

Jaskalas

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I have mixed feelings about 3-4 GB $200-250 cards in 2016. Will have to see how it fares in the latest titles.

Looking at my 750 Ti, a 4GB card would be a nice upgrade. In 2016.

But I totally agree on 3GB, having less than full 4GB already hurts the 970. So we know we cannot settle for less in today's games.
 

Flapdrol1337

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Most games that go for nice looking graphics are reasonably smart about vram use, 3GB should be enough for good graphics.

Still would've liked if nvidia just demanded 6GB, that way you'd really never have to worry about it.
 
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