Look at Ashes, the GTX1060 is as fast.
Lowered expectations already? What an irony seeing this argument from an NVidia supporter in thread labeled with faster than RX 480,
Be prepared to lower your expectations even more in the coming months.
sontin said:Why "lower expectations"?
sontin said:. When you have finished Ashes, you can go and play Anno2205 where the card is >30% faster.
I mean if I don't even recognize the currency they are quoting I'd say its a pretty isolated case. Maybe we should stick to USD/British Pound/Euro/CAD countries in terms of general discussions.
Ok so can you give me a list of countries that this is the case?
You said "here" without mentioning you're not in the US, even though this is a forum dominated by US residents and a site owned and hosted in the US.
In most countries here in "Western" Europe (read: UK/NL/BE/DE/FR) you can get a non-FE/non-reference GTX 1060 for < 300 euros with stock, while finding a RX480 with a reference cooler for the same price is possible, non-reference isn't. Prices are pretty much equal, going from 259 to 339 if you don't include the bullshit offerings that are way too high.
Too bad they had to yank SLI support from their customers though. People could have had 1080 performance for $500. SLI has draw backs, so $500 would have been a fair price for that, but NOPE, a good deal these days simply won't be tolerated I guess.
480 crossfire can't be ignored. Around $450 for close to 1080 performance plus better DX12 support as well as the same amount of Vram as 1080 is truly a badass deal. It would be a decision between 480 crossfire or a 1070.
Aftermarket 480's with 8GB Vram plus max OC = sickass GPU solution for $450.00. You're talking 1440p max settings at good framerates for under $500 and faster than a similarly priced 1070.
Too bad they had to yank SLI support from their customers though. People could have had 1080 performance for $500. SLI has draw backs, so $500 would have been a fair price for that, but NOPE, a good deal these days simply won't be tolerated I guess.
480 crossfire can't be ignored. Around $450 for close to 1080 performance plus better DX12 support as well as the same amount of Vram as 1080 is truly a badass deal. It would be a decision between 480 crossfire or a 1070.
Aftermarket 480's with 8GB Vram plus max OC = sickass GPU solution for $450.00. You're talking 1440p max settings at good framerates for under $500 and faster than a similarly priced 1070.
Fight nice guys. Fact is, both are very good cards, but I would not consider either a slam dunk because they each have weaknesses. (efficiency for the 480 and DX12 performance for the 1060.) As for performance, you can make whatever case you want by cherry picking benchmarks. So to me it is a toss up depending on what games one wants to play and how much they value efficiency, as well of course of price and availability in the particular region where you live.
I don't think it's a disappointment, the 480. Both 1060 and 480 are excellent 1080p cards. The 1070 is a bit more than midrange and for its price, the extra performance should be there. What will be more interesting is how the 1060 will do a year or two from now.So did Nvidia actually wait to release the 1060 because they knew what a disappointment the 480 would be? The 1060 isn't a bad card, especially for the (expected) price, but after seeing the amazing numbers coming form the 1070 and 1080, I couldn't help but be a wee bit disappointed.
That's what I was thinking as well. It's pretty frustrating the amount of times I've read people defending the fact that NVIDIA removed SLI support because "MULTI GPU SUCKS!" and "Why not just get 1070 then!?". I don't see how taking away the option of SLI can ever be a positive, even if you personally don't use it. And if SLI is as bad as people are saying, then I don't think NVIDIA would have seen it as a potential threat to their top tier products and removed it in the first place. Between the founders edition pricing and the artificially gimping their midrange product through the removal of SLI, I really wish the enthusiast sites and NVIDIA users themselves would let them know that they aren't happy with these choices instead of simply shrugging their shoulders.
There might be something within the pascal arch that is making SLI less appealing. The 1080\1070 lose their 4 way SLI support as well. Or Nvidia is not spending resources on developing such a niche product. Putting SLI into a 250 dollar card costs resources. And given its niche and suspect game support. They skipped it.
That said I also think it is bad advice to sell somebody on spending 400-450 on SLI\CF that in a fraction of the game may beat a 1070 or compete with a 1080. That is a lot of money to spend on a solution that a good % of the time wont be close to a 1070 performance wise.
Sapphire 4gb Nitro edition 480 is available for pre-order at GBP 199.99 from OCUK, and i doubt that any 1060 is that cheap.Cheaper in India and UK this morning (ZOTAC GTX 1060 AMP!). Retailers in my country don't care much about the competitor so probably the same here, will update when we have prices.
Apparently a lot of the driver team's focus is on getting CF/SLI to work. It takes up the bulk of their time.
You either need a bigger driver team or you forgo the exotic options, like 3/4 GPU. Then you forgo the mainstream option, so now there's no need to worry about the 1060 and lesser GPU.
Only focus on 1070/1080. Job made easier. Saves $.
Assuming you could get them for msrp I'd sooner go with a 480 for $200 vs a 1060 for $250 considering Nvidia abruptly drops support in a bid to push you to buy more sooner rather than later while AMD in contrast continues to give great support for years to come. But, let's not kid ourselves. Ain't nobody getting these things for msrp.
A secondary benefit.Apparently a lot of the driver team's focus is on getting CF/SLI to work. It takes up the bulk of their time.
You either need a bigger driver team or you forgo the exotic options, like 3/4 GPU. Then you forgo the mainstream option, so now there's no need to worry about the 1060 and lesser GPU.
Only focus on 1070/1080. Job made easier. Saves $.