Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

[3DVagabond]

You mean Nvidia or their board partners? As for pricing Apple can & does reign in the prices at which iphones are sold here, I'd assume they have a similarly tight leash for the rest of the world, Samsung as well just to a lesser extent.

Yes. Apple sells it to the retailer for 5% below retail so you can't make any money. They do have promotional limitations that skirt the laws. It's still illegal to price fix in most Western countries. I'm not aware of any pricing constraints by Samsung. There are other marketing and merchandising limitations that companies can put on the retailers.

Big thing to understand though, nVidia isn't Apple except to it's fans. Just like people speak about them comparatively to Intel. I about piss myself laughing at people who think nVidia compares in any way whatsoever to giants like these.

 

[BSim500]

Cheapest 8gb 480 was 227. All reference. Cheapest 1060 was palit at 270.

Cheapest 1060 listed is £230 with several £234-£239. Many are not in stock but as I said, neither are the 480 non-blowers, so "in stock reference vs out of stock AIB" is irrelevant to many waiting for both AIB's.

 

[krumme]

Cheapest 1060 listed is £230 with several £234-£239. Many are not in stock but as I said, neither are the 480 non-blowers, so "in stock reference vs out of stock AIB" is irrelevant to many waiting for both AIB's.

Yep. But if aib is what you want 250£ saphire nitro plus some crazy oc models 480 is comming. All probably a good deal faster than those aib 1060 even in dx11.

 

[Sweepr]

In most countries here in "Western" Europe (read: UK/NL/BE/DE/FR) you can get a non-FE/non-reference GTX 1060 for < 300 euros with stock, while finding a RX480 with a reference cooler for the same price is possible, non-reference isn't. Prices are pretty much equal, going from 259 to 339 if you don't include the bullshit offerings that are way too high.

It's true nearly for whole Europe. I'm from Poland and ordered today Gigabyte 1060 G1 gaming for about 15$ more than stock RX 480 8GB. You can find here other AIB 1060 for less than 480. Cheapest 1060 (Asus Turbo-blower) is about 25$ cheaper than 480. 480 4GB is more rare than AIB 1080 one day after release - I didn't found even single card in offer in my country so far, even preorders. I think that overclockers.uk is only retailer that have this card available in whole Europe, at least I didn't found other.

In China both reference rx 480s and AIB gtx 1060s start from 1999&#65509;.
Zotac Amp and Mini versions are up for pre-order in India for 25k,23k would be available July 25 onwards.
Rx 480 8GB is going for ~27k INR in India.
For reference, Amp 1070 and 1080 are listed at ~38k and 58.5k.
Rx 480 4GB models doesn't seem to be available in these regions.

From a UK perspective, there's barely £5 between the cheapest GTX 1060 vs the cheapest RX 480 8GB at the moment.

Thanks for the input.

 

[krumme]

Thanks for the input.

Why dont you thank me?

 

[AtenRa]

As of now from OCUK,

ASUS STRIX GTX 1060 OC = 326 UK pounds - in stock

Hell that is too high for that card.

 

[Vipeax]

I think you're mixing up two different cards. Sapphire's aftermarket nitro 4gb 480 is for GBP200 including shipping & VAT, which is not bad at all. 1060s are a fair bit expensive, and i doubt that they'd be significantly faster, if at all even in DX11. It should actually consume about 15W+ less for memory alone than the 8gb reference model, so efficiency-wise should be closer to 1060 than some here will want it to be.

The 8gb models are indeed more expensive, but there's a good range between GBP235 & GBP250. What's more impressive is Powercolor's factory fitted water cooled card is available to order for GBP322.

How am I mixing them up?

 

[Brunnis]

Another datapoint, this time from Sweden (without taxes):

Cheapest RX 480 8GB: Sapphire at 254 USD
Cheapest GTX 1060: EVGA Gaming & Palit, both 261 USD

So, basically a wash. Of course, the RX 480 is slightly more expensive here than it "should be" (looking at MSRP). I would expect RX 480 prices to come down slightly over the next couple of months.

 

[zinfamous]

Why dont you thank me?

You provide data that he does not like.

 

[garagisti]

Just looked at oc uk 1.5 hrs ago. Cheapest 4gb 480 in stock was £ 190. Yes. But only a few. You know the kind of 8gb i guess.
Cheapest 8gb 480 was 227. All reference. Cheapest 1060 was palit at 270.

Gibbo said first aib 480 was comming today. Couldnt find them 1.5 hrs ago.

Yeah, there's a fly in the ointment. Apparently there's a bit of a delay as Sapphire had to meet some back-up, 5k reference card. Now there would be 1000 coming in a week's time, and 1000 more in another week or so. He also mentioned that the 2000 mentioned above includes stock for 4gb model too.

Sapphire's 5k pending cards is for UK alone, god knows what total global pending was, or what the numbers are for other OEM's. At any rate, looks like the OEM's have been busy given demand of the reference cards.

Buying on launch days seems to be good strategy so far, except where pre-order is available. Ahem, 1k of the 2k Sapphire Nitro on OCUK are apparently already sold out, so for UK guys seems like they may as well pre-order if looking to order from OCUK.

 

[Kr@n]

In most countries here in "Western" Europe (read: UK/NL/BE/DE/FR) you can get a non-FE/non-reference GTX 1060 for < 300 euros with stock, while finding a RX480 with a reference cooler for the same price is possible, non-reference isn't. Prices are pretty much equal, going from 259 to 339 if you don't include the bullshit offerings that are way too high.

I didn't check all the french e-tailers, but I could not find a 1060 in stock at those prices the last 3-4 days [1] (all cards are of of stock, bar one model available but 350€+)

No difficulties to find a reference 480 under 300€, and no model at all over 300€, however. [2] (no sign of the 4GB version, though)

Note : The situation may obviously be very different in other UE countries ...

[1] http://www.materiel.net/carte-graphique-geforce-gtx-1060/ (360€ or 380€ in stock, 285-360€ out of stock or pre-order, average 330€), http://www.rueducommerce.fr/selection/34347 (360€ in stock, 280-400€ out of stock, average 345€)
[2] http://www.materiel.net/carte-graphique-radeon-rx-480/ (260-290€, all in stock, average 280€), http://www.rueducommerce.fr/selection/34155 (260-300€, all in stock, average 285€)

 

[antihelten]

I didn't check all the french e-tailers, but I could not find a 1060 in stock at those prices the last 3-4 days [1] (all cards are of of stock, bar one model available but 350€+)

To be fair, in the EU it's relatively straightforward to order from another EU country. For instance you can get a 1060 for €280 in Germany and have it shipped to most countries in the EU for €20.

 

[torlen11cc]

Does Pascal architecture not support Async? As far as I understand, the Pascal cards perform Async simulations by the driver. However, GCN cards contains dedicated Async processor that conduct the Async (Called ACES). From this reason, Pascal supports async less well compared to GCN. Is that correct?
Thanks.

 

[sontin]

You can read more about Pascal Async Compute in the Anandtech review: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/9

 

[LTC8K6]

You can read more about Pascal Async Compute in the Anandtech review: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/9

We can also see that Maxwell 2 does indeed have AC capability, but with a performance penalty.

 

[Sweepr]

So according to TechPowerUp GTX 1060 is:

- 8%-11.3% (FE/MSI Gaming X) faster than custom RX 480 STRIX OC at 1080p
- 69% better performance per watt
- 116W/121W (FE/MSI Gaming X) vs 177W typical gaming power consumption
- Better overclocker: 14.0-15.1% vs 3.0%
- Similar prices ($259-269?)

At 1920x1080 the performance uplift of the ASUS STRIX is 3%, not a whole lot. This makes the card 10% slower than GTX 1060, 5% faster than GTX 970.

In absolute numbers, the RX 480 STRIX uses 177 W during gaming, which is 10 W more than GTX 1080, which is much faster. Furmark maximum power suggests a board power limit of around 175 W, which is a bit low in my opinion, given the card's power capabilities.

 

[zinfamous]

That's reassuring. I would hate to see TPU abandon their highly objective testing methods when it comes to a new and refined release.

 

[Thala]

That's reassuring. I would hate to see TPU abandon their highly objective testing methods when it comes to a new and refined release.

Yup, makes you wonder if they tested the card in normal mode with power limit intact....i just checked....they really did...lol!
They didn't even bother to use Crimson 16.7.2! TPU never cease to amaze me.

 

[sontin]

What is unfair about? 180W is the default powerlimit. It is even higher than the 170W of the reference 480.

 

[nurturedhate]

What is unfair about? 180W is the default powerlimit. It is even higher than the 170W of the reference 480.

lol. Of course it's fair to you....

 

[thilanliyan]

The power use on the 480 cards is just sad if it's consuming as much as a 1080 is. What a crap show the GF process is.

 

[antihelten]

So according to TechPowerUp GTX 1060 is:

- 11%/14.5% (FE/MSI Gaming X) faster than custom RX 480 STRIX OC at 1080p

This is really weird though.

In the original 1060 review, the 1060 was 7.5% faster than the reference 480, and now 2 days later it's suddenly 14.4% faster?

The drivers used are exactly the same for both cards in both reviews (368.64 and 16.7.1), so that wouldn't explain it.

edit: I just had a look through all of their 1080P results and the numbers are identical to their 1060 review, the only difference is that they dropped WoW from their benchmark suite, but since WoW actually massively favoured the 1060 (28% faster), the 480 should have improved in the average not decreased. So the only conclusion must be that TPU messed up their average calculations somewhere.

 

[coercitiv]

This is really weird though.

In the original 1060 review, the 1060 was 7.5% faster than the reference 480, and now 2 days later it's suddenly 14.4% faster?

The drivers used are exactly the same for both cards in both reviews (368.64 and 16.7.1), so that wouldn't explain it.

Look at all the cards, not just 1060.

 

[linkgoron]

Look at all the cards, not just 1060.

lol

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/asus-rx-480-strix-8-gb.224311/page-3#post-3492892

Oh boy this is bad .. looks like perf summary has been wrong all along since we introduced the new graphs

 

[Sweepr]

Didn't change much it seems. GTX 1060 FE still 8% faster than the long awaited custom RX 480, MSI Gaming X ~11.3% faster based on their other review.