Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

[Eaglebuckeye125]

Can't tell if serious, but I think you're joking?

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_480_STRIX_OC/23.html

AIB custom 480 with OC still loses to reference 1060....

Nobody is trying to change your mind..I'm going 480 for the fact that AMD kept my 7950 relevant for 4 years with he great driver support..The 670 I was tossing around getting at the time not so much. So they get my business again

 

[Sweepr]

The bench is using the updated results from the newer drivers. It's not power throttled, it's just a slower chip. TPU, hardwarecanuks, techspot, anandtech, and the overwhelming vast majority of all hardware sites found the same results. The 1060 OC's a little better, uses noticeably less power, doesn't need any tweaks out of the box, and is faster almost all the time. AIB custom models are no where to be found, the RX 480 still only has the reference loud cooler. Obvious is obvious! :thumbsup: But glad you're happy with your purchase; that's all that matters.

The RX 480 4gb at $199 is a good alternative though.

You hit the nail on the head with this post. Better performance overall today, lower power consumption, MSRP with custom models available at launch. GTX 1060 is definitely a winner, but based on dozens of FUD posts here readers could think it's a +$299 card that will suddenly become low-end in a year or so. Are we looking at the same DX12 benchmarks? The competitor is only a few % faster (and mostly on Gaming Evolved titles), with all the disadvantages listed above. Let's see if forum polls and expert opinions reflect what Steam Hardware Survey will show in a few months.

GTX 1060 reviews are a dime a dozen now, but I'm not sure if anyone has seen or posted Anandtech's benches of it (the review is still not live). Here is Ryan's benches vs. the RX 480 8gb:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1771?vs=1748

Faster everywhere, sometimes by a significant margin (except Hitman DX12), as expected.

 

[sirmo]

The bench is using the updated results from the newer drivers. It's not power throttled, it's just a slower chip. TPU, hardwarecanuks, techspot, anandtech, and the overwhelming vast majority of all hardware sites found the same results. The 1060 OC's a little better, uses noticeably less power, doesn't need any tweaks out of the box, and is faster almost all the time. AIB custom models are no where to be found, the RX 480 still only has the reference loud cooler. Obvious is obvious! :thumbsup: But glad you're happy with your purchase; that's all that matters.

The RX 480 4gb at $199 is a good alternative though.

All the driver did was change the VRM phase ratio and provide slight software optimizations in terms of game performance.

rx480 reference is power throttled at less than 1200 Mhz.. 1060 reference runs on 1840 Mhz on average.. I am not making this up.. Computerbase.de did the tests.

rx480

1060 FE

Even rx480 Nitro is slightly power throttled:

Undervolting the reference rx480 in most cases removes the power throttling and can give a <5% boost in performance. It definitely did for me.

Also all the tests I've seen which have tried OCing the rx480 reference mentioned that they didn't modify the power limit.. how is that a valid test? when even on stock rx480 isn't averaging over 1200Mhz.

 

[Silverforce11]

Can't tell if serious, but I think you're joking?

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_480_STRIX_OC/23.html

AIB custom 480 with OC still loses to reference 1060....

What a difference it is when you test properly, Rise of the Tomb Raider in DX11 where it's faster, Doom with Vulkan instead of OpenGL..

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/asus-radeon-rx-480-strix-test/2/#abschnitt_benchmarks_in_full_hd

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07...ro-oc-test/3/#abschnitt_benchmarks_in_full_hd

And what a difference proper benchmarking makes, putting GPUs inside a case and giving them a warm up period before benching starts! You know, like how gamers actually use their GPUs, inside a case and over a longer period than 2 minutes benching.

And your idea that they are equal in DX12, not true at all.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2480809

To be accurate, you can say the 1060 is a little faster in DX11, while the 480 is a little faster in newer APIs.

 

[sirmo]

What a difference it is when you test properly, Rise of the Tomb Raider in DX11 where it's faster, Doom with Vulkan instead of OpenGL..

What a sad state of afairs when you have to google translate to get the true benchmarks of these cards. Kudos to computerbase.de

 

[Silverforce11]

Something Maxwell / Pascal owners or potential buyers should see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRkhA5V1qXU

This is what I talked about when I said Pascal will do much better in future games compared to Maxwell. Games that use lots of compute queues, neuters Maxwell's slow context switching. I even mentioned Quantum Break specifically, because of it's interweaving of compute/copy queues alongside graphics rendering.

Here, a 1060 keeps up quite well with the RX 480, but the 970 OC to 1550mhz (~GTX 980 +10%), falls far behind.

There's no question Pascal is more future proofed. So those cheap 970/980, dated tech, it's going to fade quickly by this year's end when the next wave of next-gen games arrive.

 

[sirmo]

Something Maxwell / Pascal owners or potential buyers should see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRkhA5V1qXU

Similar performance delta can be observed with the other 2 recently released Xbox games on Windows. Apex Forca and Gears.. tons more slated, not to mention the upcoming Halo on PC.

 

[antihelten]

What a difference it is when you test properly, Rise of the Tomb Raider in DX11 where it's faster, Doom with Vulkan instead of OpenGL..

What a sad state of afairs when you have to google translate to get the true benchmarks of these cards. Kudos to computerbase.de

You guys might want to read the actual reviews before you proclaim Computerbase.de as some sort of paragon of benchmarking.

They don't use DX11 in ROTTR for AMD only for Nvidia, AMD (with the exception GCN1 cards) are tested using DX12, and they don't even use the newest patch that fixed DX12 performance for AMD.

 

[Silverforce11]

You guys might want to read the actual reviews before you proclaim Computerbase.de as some sort of paragon of benchmarking.

They don't use DX11 in ROTTR for AMD only for Nvidia, AMD (with the exception GCN1 cards) are tested using DX12, and they don't even use the newest patch that fixed DX12 performance for AMD.

They test the API which gives the best results, in Hitman they run DX11 for NV, and DX12 for AMD. They do what gamers would do, use the best API for themselves.

 

[antihelten]

They test the API which gives the best results, in Hitman they run DX11 for NV, and DX12 for AMD. They do what gamers would do, use the best API for themselves.

No they don't. They use DX12 for both Nvidia and AMD in hitman (unless you're talking about older Nvidia cards). Also in ROTTR they use DX12 for AMD which is definitively not the API that gives the best results (unless you use the newest patch, which they don't).

 

[Sweepr]

What a difference it is when you test properly, Rise of the Tomb Raider in DX11 where it's faster

Ironic considering your Golem comparison includes three Gaming Evolved titles where Pascal performs worse @ DX12.

 

[raghu78]

Ironic considering your Golem comparison includes three Gaming Evolved titles where Pascal performs worse @ DX12.

Nvidia GPUs run faster on DX11 than DX12 on all currently released titles that support both DX11 / DX12. Even in the Gameworks title RoTR this is the case. AMD cards on the contrary gain significantly in every game usng DX12 except RoTR where they are virtually same perf using both DX11 and DX12 paths after the latest patch. As for saying that 3 of the DX12 titles are AMD Gaming Evolved thats a lame excuse. Just last year Nvidia had the majority of titles in their Gameworks program. AMD are making a strong push with DX12 / Vulkan . Doom was a good example. Many of the upcoming DX12 games such as Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Battlefiield 1, Watch Dogs 2 , Civilization 6 are Gaming Evolved titles. So get ready for more of the same.

 

[Sweepr]

Nvidia GPUs run faster on DX11 than DX12 on all currently released titles that support both DX11 / DX12.

Please leave the FUD out of this thread. We already know from 3DMark Time Spy and certain titles that Pascal benefits from a proper (neutral) DX12 / Async implementation.

AMD cards on the contrary gain significantly in every game usng DX12 except RoTR where they are virtually same perf using both DX11 and DX12 paths after the latest patch.

Too bad in the end it's just a few % faster in DX12 titles, smaller advantage than GTX 1060 has in DX11/OpenGL titles (the majority people play today in case you forgot), which is why the latter is faster in almost all average charts from reviews while using less power.

Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Battlefiield 1, Watch Dogs 2 , Civilization 6 are Gaming Evolved titles

Fake, and GTX 1080s were used at the EA Live event to demo the game for the press.

 

[Silverforce11]

Ironic considering your Golem comparison includes three Gaming Evolved titles where Pascal performs worse @ DX12.

The difference though, is 1-2 FPS. Computerbase at least, test NV cards in DX11 mode if it's faster, this is why I think they are actually the most accurate in reflecting gamer's usage.

I mean why does Guru3d or other sites test Doom in OpenGL these days, what narrative does that promote and is it accurate to how gamers play that game? Even NV GPUs gain in performance w/ Vulkan in Doom.

In regards to DX12 & sponsorship, the more interesting thing is the fact NV performs very well in Ashes & Warhammer with Pascal, both AMD sponsored. While they do a lot worse in Forza 6 and QB, both neutral titles.

Soon we'll have a bunch more big titles to talk about. Let's see whether my prediction of GCN's future proof comes true, like my prediction for Pascal's future proof over Maxwell.

 

[Silverforce11]

Fake, and GTX 1080s were used at the EA Live event to demo the game for the press.

You may have missed it, but it was already publicly announced. BF1 is DX12, AMD sponsored WITH Async Compute.

AMD also sponsoring Deus Ex MD, Civilization 6, Watch Dogs 2 and most likely Sniper Elite 4.

 

[sze5003]

You may have missed it, but it was already publicly announced. BF1 is DX12, AMD sponsored WITH Async Compute.

AMD also sponsoring Deus Ex MD, Civilization 6, Watch Dogs 2 and most likely Sniper Elite 4.

Hmm sniper elite 4 can't wait for that. Now I'm having kind of second thoughts about my monitor that comes in tomorrow but if I'm gonna do 1440p the Rx won't cut it.

 

[AtenRa]

Did you guys know that Star Wars Battlefront is running DX-12 in XBone from day 1 ?? I have just found out, why not in PC as well ??

https://twitter.com/repi/status/710511429594394625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

[AtenRa]

Fake, and GTX 1080s were used at the EA Live event to demo the game for the press.

DOOM on Vulkan was also Live in GTX 1080 release event, we know how that turned out.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Hmm sniper elite 4 can't wait for that. Now I'm having kind of second thoughts about my monitor that comes in tomorrow but if I'm gonna do 1440p the Rx won't cut it.

It's either G-Sync or FreESync and right now NV has the superior high end gaming GPU lineup. Enjoy the 1070 + G sync combo dude.

 

[sze5003]

It's either G-Sync or FreESync and right now NV has the superior high end gaming GPU lineup. Enjoy the 1070 + G sync combo dude.

I'm looking forward to enjoying it since I normally don't buy myself nice things that often.

 

[watek]

Why can't people be happy with either the GTX 1060 or the RX 480, both will do fine in future DX12 titles including Battlefield 1.

 

[tential]

Why can't people be happy with either the GTX 1060 or the RX 480, both will do fine in future DX12 titles including Battlefield 1.

Why can't I be unhappy with both products?
The 1060 has weak future performance.
The rx 480 is just a disappointment in everything but future game performance and mining.

 

[Sonikku]

Why can't people be happy with either the GTX 1060 or the RX 480, both will do fine in future DX12 titles including Battlefield 1.

We can't be happy because we can't buy one.

 

[Arachnotronic]

We can't be happy because we can't buy one.

Nonsense. You can go to Newegg right now and place an order for this $250 GTX 1060:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500402

It'll ship within 4-5 days, but you can certainly go buy one right now if you wish.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Why can't I be unhappy with both products?

You have that right.

The 1060 has weak future performance.

[citation needed]