Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

[x3sphere]

My guess is 1060 will be around 5-10% faster than RX 480

Tbh, 3GB VRAM shouldn't matter much at 1080P which is presumably the target res for this card, with Pascal's memory compression gains it's going to be similar to 3.5GB 970

I'm expecting a higher price, but if Nvidia wants to completely overrun AMD they'll price it the same.

 

[96Firebird]

Tbh, 3GB VRAM shouldn't matter much at 1080P which is presumably the target res for this card, with Pascal's memory compression gains it's going to be similar to 3.5GB 970.

This isn't how memory compression works. It can help with memory bandwidth, but doesn't change capacity at all.

 

[x3sphere]

This isn't how memory compression works. It can help with memory bandwidth, but doesn't change capacity at all.

It doesn't change the capacity, but isn't the data stored compressed? So technically you can fit more effective data. Assuming compression gains of 10-15% it would be pretty close to the 970's 3.5 GB.

 

[96Firebird]

No, the data being stored can't be compressed because the delta compression doesn't yet know which part of the frame is changing. It needs the whole asset to decide what can be compressed, which theoretically increases bandwidth because not as much data needs to be sent for the frame.

 

[SPBHM]

Doesnt seem to be an issue in Guru3d review (DX12)

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_r9_rx_480_8gb_review,10.html

Nor AT review (DX11):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10446/the-amd-radeon-rx-480-preview/4

the pcper results place the 970 closer to a 380 than the 390 and 480
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...X-480-Review-Polaris-Promise/Rise-Tomb-Raider

guru3d seems to mention how they tested the game, the others I don't think so, and that's the problem, they are probably testing difference scenes, using gameplay vs built-in benchmark... but the TPU result does look odd and it's worrying, in any case, I don't think it's to relevant for this topic since it looks more likely to be related to the slow 32bit 512MB that card is making available for games than to necessarily lack of vram (since the 3GB 780 ti is performing well there)

but I still think 3GB for over $200 in 2016 is really disappointing if that's the case for the 1060, it almost feels like another 7850 1GB, it was quite fine in 2012 but it got old pretty fast due to lack of vram compared to the 2GB model...

pclab.pl also shows the 970 doing badly

 

[sm625]

It looks fake to me simply by the squared area of pixelation around the upper right portion of the 6. Natural pixelation doesnt show up in a rectangualr form. It looks like someone changed the 8 to a 6. I cant see how it really matters though...

 

[bill3]

What hell? 3Gb for 249? 6GB for 299? What a joke Nvidia! I just got a 8Gb 480 for 239!

Here I was actually thinking this might be price/performance competitive, So I might return my 480 because of the PCIE overdraw issues...nope, looks like Nvidia is counting on that fanboy premium again. Well count me out.

All that if those rumors are true anyway. 3GB, what a joke! I wouldn't touch a 3GB card for more than 99 bucks in this day an age. Hell my crappy phone has 4GB.

Looks like I wont bother waiting on this.

 

[Arachnotronic]

What hell? 3Gb for 249? 6GB for 299? What a joke Nvidia! I just got a 8Gb 480 for 239!

Here I was actually thinking this might be price/performance competitive, So I might return my 480 because of the PCIE overdraw issues...nope, looks like Nvidia is counting on that fanboy premium again. Well count me out.

All that if those rumors are true anyway. 3GB, what a joke! I wouldn't touch a 3GB card for more than 99 bucks in this day an age. Hell my crappy phone has 4GB.

Looks like I wont bother waiting on this.

We don't know how these cards will perform; they may deliver enough performance to justify the pricing premium over RX 480. Perhaps it would be best to reserve judgement until these cards are released?

 

[StrangerGuy]

We don't know how these cards will perform; they may deliver enough performance to justify the pricing premium over RX 480. Perhaps it would be best to reserve judgement until these cards are released?

Perf/$ is pretty linear from a $240 480 to a $400 1070, placing the 1060 on that curve at $240-$300 and NV will easily win just by the virtue of perf/w, OC potential and massively better mindshare alone.

 

[Yakk]

What hell? 3Gb for 249? 6GB for 299? What a joke Nvidia! I just got a 8Gb 480 for 239!

Here I was actually thinking this might be price/performance competitive, So I might return my 480 because of the PCIE overdraw issues...nope, looks like Nvidia is counting on that fanboy premium again. Well count me out.

All that if those rumors are true anyway. 3GB, what a joke! I wouldn't touch a 3GB card for more than 99 bucks in this day an age. Hell my crappy phone has 4GB.

Looks like I wont bother waiting on this.

As a 280x owner I agree that the time for 3GB has past, except maybe for low budget cards. Mainstream should definitely have at least a minimum of 4GB nowadays, and 8GB for the upper end of mainstream.

 

[Sweepr]

Looks like the notebook GP106 is right around the corner as well:

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti and 1060 are going to be mobile successors to the GTX 950M and 960M

Following the leak we had a few weeks back, we can now confirm for sure that the 1050Ti and 1060 are successors to the mobile GTX 950M and 960M GPUs. Our source also explains that the new chips will feature GDDR5 memory and wider bus width, or at least the 1060. The 1050Ti will have 4GB of 128-bit GDDR5 memory while the 1060 will receive a wider 192-bit 6GB of GDDR5 VRAM.

It seems that the successors of the 950M and 960M will deliver a significant increase in performance not only due to the new Pascal architecture with 16nm FinFET process but also because of the upgraded memory. We are still puzzled with the Ti at the end of the 1050, though. The first time we received this info, we thought that we are talking about a desktop chip but our source assures that the 1060 and 1050Ti are indeed mobile GPUs. And if named correctly, the rumor about skipping the “M” at the end of the Pascal graphics cards might turn out to be true and the line between desktop and mobile cards will be blurred. Moreover, we have a second confirmation that the 1050Ti is codenamed N17P-G1 and the 1060 is N17E-G1.

For now, all the information we have are just small pieces of a larger puzzle and we can’t be 100% sure but we have a good reason to believe that NVIDIA will announce its mobile Pascal lineup at the beginning of August, probably on the 1st.

http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/n...be-mobile-successors-to-the-gtx-950m-and-960m

If they can deliver somewhere between Geforce GTX 970/980 performance at <100W TDP it will be a killer mobile gaming GPU.

 

[plopke]

Urgh the 970 was kinda expensive 300-400 euro settled around 300, now being dumped at the moment for 250 euro , 1070 400-500 euro assuming it will settle at ±420 euro ish.

But to start of a 1060 at 970 price point , urgh with 3gb, brrr. If 480X stables in price and the power consumptions issues are not a problem , 480X will be on my recommendation list I guess.

Anyone with older hardware , I might recommend to grab a cheap 970 , but don't have a good overview of how it will handle DX12 in the future.

And what the hell is going on with European prices , if I a buy SSD,Motherboard,CPU,power supply it makes sense MSRP+VAT+0-10% and you get close to euro prices,but graphics cards hell no,....

 

[DidelisDiskas]

And what the hell is going on with European prices , if I a buy SSD,Motherboard,CPU,power supply it makes sense MSRP+VAT+0-10% and you get close to euro prices,but graphics cards hell no,....

It also get's worse the further east you go. In my country the cheapest 970 go around 290 euro and the cheapest 1070 are around 590~ euro.

 

[Sweepr]

Specs are out!

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 features 1280 CUDA cores, faster than GTX 980 and RX 480

Here they are, first specifications of GeForce GTX 1060. This card features 1280 CUDA cores and 6GB of GDDR5 memory (so quite possibly 192-bit interface). The boost clock is somewhere around 1700 MHz, which gives us maximum compute performance of 4.4 TFLOPs.

NVIDIA rated GTX 1060 at 120W TDP, which is less than Radeon RX 480 (150W). According to leaked slides GTX 1060 will be faster than Radeon RX 480 in terms of performance. It will also be 1.4x more power efficient. However be advised graph values start at 0.8.

In terms of design, it seems that the leaked picture was quite accurate and this is really the new (Founders) design.

More importantly GTX 1060 will launch in July, and the fact that we have these slides already, could further suggest that the rumored launch date is true (7th July).

http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked-faster-than-rx-480

 

[jpiniero]

Gotta love it... nVidia never mentions AMD so it's obvious this leak is deliberate. That chart is pretty misleading too, but if they are promising 980 performance then it would definitely would be faster.

 

[PhonakV30]

http://www.bitsandchips.it/52-english-news/7196-how-to-slow-down-rx480-sales

At the present moment TSMC's output is about 60k wafers/month @16nm (80k during 4Q16). The main customers are: Apple, NVIDIA, Huawei/HiSilicon, Qualcomm, LG, MediaTek and Xilinx (and others). 60/7 = about 9k wafers/month each company

GloFo's output (14nm) is about 40k wafers/months (60k during 4Q16). Main customers are: AMD and Qualcomm = 20k wafers/month each company

on other hand AMD will have more cards than Nvidia.So If price is $250 then price will go up and probably near $350

 

[William Gaatjes]

Specs are out!

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 features 1280 CUDA cores, faster than GTX 980 and RX 480

http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked-faster-than-rx-480

That scale sure makes me laugh... :biggrin:

 

[AtenRa]

Im really looking forward for the GTX 1060 launch, i want to compare it directly to RX 480 in DX-12 games. Personally i dont care if one card is 10-15% faster in DX-11 games but I do care if it is 30-50% slower in DX-12.

 

[Thala]

That scale sure makes me laugh

At least its somewhat consistent. They claim 115% performance. Given 25% more power usage for RX480 this give 1.15*1.25 = 1.43 efficiency.
115% performance is certainly on the optimistic side but not entirely impossible when you select a set of games for benchmarking which run suboptimal on AMD cards. I do not expect NVidia have thrown any DX12 titles in the mix. Would make them look bad.

ps. I just saw Sweepr was fast updating the title with "faster than RX480" based on marketing slides with unknown benchmark mix...they could have used likes of Project Cars for all we know...

 

[William Gaatjes]

At least its somewhat consistent. They claim 115% performance. Given 25% more power usage for RX480 this give 1.15*1.25 = 1.43 efficiency.
115% performance is certainly on the optimistic side but not entirely impossible when you select a set of games for benchmarking which run suboptimal on AMD cards. I do not expect NVidia have thrown any DX12 titles in the mix. Would make them look bad.

I am always curious what will come out. But i agree that the interesting part will be dx12 and vulkan performance for the GTX1060. I am thinking that the GTX1060 will be more of a contender for the RX 470 and RX460. Because those are the ones with less than 100W power consumption and a direct contender for the GTX1060. Nvidia will maintain the GTX1070 as a better product against the RX 480.

Besides, wait a bit longer for the drivers to mature for the RX 480 and it will be a lot faster than it is now. The power consumption of the cards may very well be an issue of the BTC calibration that in a few weeks will become clearer. I am sure the reviewers like for example Anandtech, Computerbase, TPU will dig deep into the power consumption issues some of the RX 480 cards have. I am expecting driver updates soon.

 

[SPBHM]

that's like only 15% faster?

also, good thing there is no 3GB version mentioned, but I suppose the 480 4gb will still look good if this card is $250 or more.

BUT if the 1060 costs $200 like the 960... well...

 

[khon]

If a 1060 with 1280 SPs is actually 15% faster than an RX 480 with 2304 SPs, that does not look good for AMD at all.

I doubt the 15% will be true though, probably some heavy marketing spin on that one. Still, if the performance is at least equal, and the power usage is much lower, that would be great news for NVIDIA.

Also a minor point here, but having a DL-DVI connector on the reference card is a nice advantage.

 

[amenx]

That scale sure makes me laugh... :biggrin:

I laughed too. The bars suggest 40% or more and then you see the tiny increments below.

 

[jpiniero]

Im really looking forward for the GTX 1060 launch, i want to compare it directly to RX 480 in DX-12 games. Personally i dont care if one card is 10-15% faster in DX-11 games but I do care if it is 30-50% slower in DX-12.

Based upon their boasting of 980 performance, it's probably close to the 480 in DX12 games.

 

[redzo]

If a 1060 with 1280 SPs is actually 15% faster than an RX 480 with 2304 SPs, that does not look good for AMD at all.

I doubt the 15% will be true though, probably some heavy marketing spin on that one. Still, if the performance is at least equal, and the power usage is much lower, that would be great news for NVIDIA.

Also a minor point here, but having a DL-DVI connector on the reference card is a nice advantage.

My thoughts exactly. If the 6GB vram version is priced around the 8GB rx480, the aib 8GB rx480 is doomed. Still, the 4GB rx480 200$ price is hard to beat. The 4GB rx480 should sell very well.