Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

[sze5003]

I wasn't able to find any of these on newegg. I guess they haven't even updated the filters on the side for est time zone yet.

 

[LTC8K6]

Weird. The 1060 has higher minimums than the 480 at 1440p than at 1080p. Normally the higher clock speeds benefit lower resolution.

But good Lord... look at the 480's averages and maximums... just CRUSHING the 1060.

I'll assume Nvidia's driver team has some work to do here.

NV cards were using an older API, so that may make a difference.

In this case, we found on both NVIDIA GPUs DOOM uses Vulkan API libraries 1.0.8 in the game.

AMD Radeon RX 480 uses the newest 1.0.17.0 Vulkan API libraries in-game.

 

[LTC8K6]

I wasn't able to find any of these on newegg. I guess they haven't even updated the filters on the side for est time zone yet.

http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/July-0-2016/All-star-tech_19/index-landing.html?utm_medium=Emai

 

[dark zero]

Seems that neither nVIDIA and AMD accomplished to defeat a card 2 tiers higher from the previous gen. 980 and 390X users didn't get any upgrade from references cards AND maybe AIB cards.

Now to wait 6 months to see if the 1060 is trully future proof.

And this is good since finally the prices from both sides will be sincered. Dropping prices is good for competition.

 

[sze5003]

http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/July-0-2016/All-star-tech_19/index-landing.html?utm_medium=Emai

Gigabyte one looks good, sold out though. At this rate I'm probably going to end up with Intel graphics for a longer time frame. I need to figure out when the AIB 480's will come in so I can work from home or something that day.

 

[96Firebird]

Much like the clock rate discrepancies between reviewer and consumer cards, MSI is also quoting different MSRP's now between reviewers and consumers?

Seems like more reason to be wary of MSI GPUs. They often draw more power too.

While I'm not a huge fan of MSI cards myself, MSRP doesn't have to be followed by the retailer... Newegg probably saw the rebate and the MSRP and decided they might as well jack the price up $10, why not...

 

[sm625]

RX480 minimums are dipping into stutter territory. People are saying 1060 loses in Vulkan but I'm not really seeing that here.

 

[railven]

I ordered the GA for $250 from Microcenter. Seems like a decent upgrade over the 780, even the 780 Ti:

Minus the power draw. Nephews are gonna love it.

 

[AtenRa]

RX480 minimums are dipping into stutter territory. People are saying 1060 loses in Vulkan but I'm not really seeing that here.

Did you see the graph you posted ??? 28fps only happens once in 17000 seconds

 

[MaxDepth]

Whelp, that didn't take long. About an hour for the 3 of the 4 brands to sell out. I guess the rest of them are biting their nails on whether or not to pull the trigger on the $310 Asus ($60 more than the Gigabyte.)

 

[sze5003]

I ordered the GA for $250 from Microcenter. Seems like a decent upgrade over the 780, even the 780 Ti:

Minus the power draw. Nephews are gonna love it.

My micro center doesn't even have them up on the site. They only have 1070's for $459 or close to that.

 

[railven]

My micro center doesn't even have them up on the site. They only have 1070's for $459 or close to that.

Give em a call. Microcenter is terrible at putting new GPUs on their website. I think it took them like almost a month to get the Fury posted. EDIT: Quick look RX 480 only shows one model and GTX 1080 is still not being listed.

If you give em a call they'll give you inventory info, and you can even place a phone order (well at least my Microcenter does that, if the clerks aren't too busy.)

Point out it isn't listed on their website so you can't do 18 minute online order.

 

[fierydemise]

The difference in conclusions from the various review sites is really interesting.

TechPowerUp is strongly in the GTX 1060 camp:

Soon we will be seeing custom design cards for GTX 1060 (some even today) and custom design RX 480s should be out real soon too, which could shift the balance slightly, but overall I'd say GTX 1060 comes out a winner over RX 480. All these considerations were assuming that GTX 1060 pricing will gravitate towards the Founders Edition price of $299 - just like it is happening right now with GTX 1070 and GTX 1080. Should there be actual GTX 1060 cards in the market at $249, then this will destroy any hopes of AMD, because then GTX 1060 will beat it in Performance per Dollar too, with no clear wins left for AMD to convince potential buyers.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/31.html

Guru3D seems to skew toward the 1060 over the 480:

We like the GeForce GTX 1060 a lot, but we do recommend you to look at the Radeon RX 480 as well if you are keen in pricing and budget. Their 4 GB model simply is 50 bucks cheaper while perf wise it's all more or less the same. The AIB/AIC partners are all going to offer tweaked products, meaning you can add another 5 to 10% performance on top of what you have been able to see today. But more exclusive cooling means higher pricing and that is something this product series cannot have as that 250 USD marker really needs to be it. If so, the GeForce GTX 1060 (6 GB version) is going to be a hit alright, we do like it a lot, and certainly would like to recommend the card to any fanatic gamer. Combined with silence and a cool running GPU with a low TDP the 249 USD marker has never been more attractive as it is right now. Highly recommended.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1060_review,30.html

Tom's seems to skew slightly toward the 480:

Both Igor and I have MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X 6G cards with 1595 MHz base clocks and slightly overclocked memory. It’s a beefy piece of hardware with Twin Frozr VI cooling, an eight-pin power connector, and LED lighting. The company says it’ll sell for $290, though other 1060s in MSI's portfolio go for as little as $250. This is where the battle between Pascal and Polaris gets more interesting. But even then, for 1080p gaming, the 4GB Radeon RX 480 at $200 is tough to beat. Stay tuned as we start cranking through the third-party cards already stacking up in the lab.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-pascal,4679-9.html

And [H] is probably the most pro 480 of the lot:

The GeForce GTX 1060 is simply overpriced at the Founders Edition asking price of $299. However, at $249 custom add-in-board partner video cards make a lot of sense. It will be interesting to see what is offered. The AMD Radeon RX 480 is going to end up competing well with the GeForce GTX 1060 with the ~$240 8GB model. This is certainly a battle that will heat up the forums with debate for months to come.

We don't think you could go wrong with a non-FE GeForce GTX 1060 for 1080p gaming. It offers near-GeForce GTX 980 performance for $249 and uses a lot less power. We still think that both the RX 480 and GTX 1060 are "1080p gaming" cards. The GTX 1060 runs cool and with custom cards may have some good enthusiast overclocking potential.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016..._1060_founders_edition_review/10#.V442GJMrKV4

 

[sze5003]

Whelp, that didn't take long. About an hour for the 3 of the 4 brands to sell out. I guess the rest of them are biting their nails on whether or not to pull the trigger on the $310 Asus ($60 more than the Gigabyte.)

That's the asus I see haha. $329 I guess with a rebate too. No thanks. Plus tax that brings it to $350-360. I'd rather spend more and get a 1070.

 

[Yakk]

The old game selection of some sites is bizarre.

In any case, that seals the deal for me, 480 Sapphire Nitro it will be.

 

[crisium]

TechPowerUp is strongly in the GTX 1060 camp:

Should there be actual GTX 1060 cards in the market at $249, then this will destroy any hopes of AMD, because then GTX 1060 will beat it in Performance per Dollar too, with no clear wins left for AMD to convince potential buyers.

Holy hyperbole, Batman. 7% faster is now "destroying" the competition.

And "no clear wins" for AMD, because the reviewer clearly can't see 20% cheaper 480 4GB which was already released.

The $250 1060 puts serious pressure on that $240 480 8GB in DX11, no doubt. But let's not lose our heads here TPU.

 

[Insomniator]

Card looks alright for $250, not $300. Nvidia better catch up in DX12 though.

 

[Dygaza]

RX480 minimums are dipping into stutter territory. People are saying 1060 loses in Vulkan but I'm not really seeing that here.

So your saying those spikes on nvidia from 60-70 fps to 40 ain't stuttering aswell? Besides it can also be measurement error. I don't know what method they are using to capture frametimes, as Vulkan doesn't support fcat yet. But Game can't go over 200fps, yet it still shows AMD spiking over 200. Could be similiar measurement error we had in aots@DX12 on AMD under vsync with fcat.

 

[Hitman928]

Hard is using perfmon I believe. You have to remember these are actual play through so variability is part of it, especially in instantaneous highs and lows.

 

[therealnickdanger]

All these reviews point out the very problem I predicted weeks ago - the 1060 and 480 are in entirely different pricing brackets and shouldn't be compared directly.

RX480 - $199-229, 4-8GB, CFX
GTX1060 - $249-299, 6GB, no SLI

Going strictly by MSRP, the most expensive RX480 is still 9% cheaper than the cheapest GTX1060. The cheapest RX480 is 25% cheaper than the cheapest GTX1060. Most expensive compared to most expensive, the gap is 30%. Cheapest RX480 compared to most expensive GTX1060 is a gap of 50%! Many RX480 4GB users claim that they can unlock to 8GB so spending $230 on the RX480 is probably not necessary.

Card looks alright for $250, not $300. Nvidia better catch up in DX12 though.

Yeah, those are my thoughts as well. The GTX 1060 is a little bit faster, but the $300 asking price is too high.

 

[bystander36]

RX480 minimums are dipping into stutter territory. People are saying 1060 loses in Vulkan but I'm not really seeing that here.

It's hard to say if Nvidia "loses in Vulkan" based on 1 game, but it does in this one. If you look at the graph, there is 1 spot where the 480 dips more than the 1060, but the rest of the time, the 1060 is consistently lower with more time at it's minimums.

 

[RussianSensation]

My micro center doesn't even have them up on the site. They only have 1070's for $459 or close to that.

Skip all the noise and hype and focus on fundamentals. You either buy a budget mainstream card as a stop-gap and upgrade again -- which means the goal should be to spend as little as possible -- or if you want to keep the card for 3-4 years, you just buy something more powerful right away. This is where a $199 RX 480 is a great value to save money, but if you want to get a 1440p monitor, look into higher end cards.

AMD Sapphire Fury $299
MSI Armor 2X $365 after promo code EMCELFN65

The Fury beats 1060 by more than 1060 beats the RX 480. The minute you start spending $ above $250 on a 480/1060, the price/performance diminishes greatly against Fury/980Ti.

A 1450mhz+ GTX980Ti will wipe the floor with RX 480/1060 at 1440p. Almost 50% faster than a 980 = 1060 is!

Since you waited this long on the 7970, I'd go either a cheap RX480 or just step up to the GTX980Ti/1070/Fury. RX 480/1060 for $270-280 sit in no man's land for you. I wouldn't buy either of those.

Also, the 1060 is losing to the 480 in DX12/Vulkan games implying there isn't any future proofing in that card either.

Look at this -> 1060 is about 55% faster than an R9 280X (your 7970Ghz card).

An after-market 980Ti is 2-2.2X faster than an R9 280X.

980ti overclocked is a very good card and it often trades blows with a 1070 OC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3INh5i5waSw

That means you are spending $365 for a 980Ti with a 119% performance increase over your card, but $250 for a 55% faster 1060.

980Ti upgrade path for you => $3.07 per each 1% increase over your card
1060 upgrade path for you => $4.54 per each 1% increase over your card

The 1060 isn't a good upgrade for you at all (and same applies for a $250-260 RX 480).

If you plan on gaming at 1080p 60Hz, then go for the cheapest RX 480 and just undervolt it and assign a custom fan profile. Then set aside the $$$ towards a new GPU in 2 years. 1060 at $250 makes sense over a $240 RX 480 8GB but it's still not as good as the $200 RX 480 4GB. The extra 7-10% performance advantage on the 1060 won't make any difference for you in games especially since 1060 loses under DX12. Given your situation and desire to go 1440p, Fury or 980Ti are actually both better deals than either the $250-270 RX 480/1060.

 

[fierydemise]

The $250 1060 puts serious pressure on that $240 480 8GB in DX11, no doubt. But let's not lose our heads here TPU.

I saw the $250 1060 in stock on newegg this morning and kinda regret not pulling the trigger. Thats a really good price for AIB. Once you start getting up into the $270 range its still a good card but not a slam dunk.

I'll be interested to see if any AIBs come out with 4GB RX480s with good cooling because that might hit the sweet spot for someone like me.

 

[Dygaza]

Hard is using perfmon I believe. You have to remember these are actual play through so variability is part of it, especially in instantaneous highs and lows.

Perfmon supports Vulkan? When I get 200fps in Doom, game never records under 5ms frametimes. Also the fps seem very stable. I really do believe we have some measurement problem (worth investigation though).

 

[BrentJ]

Perfmon supports Vulkan? When I get 200fps in Doom, game never records under 5ms frametimes. Also the fps seem very stable. I really do believe we have some measurement problem (worth investigation though).

We used PresentMon for Vulkan and DX12.

https://github.com/GameTechDev/PresentMon