A very strange excuse.
I always thought hedging meant that you try not to commit everything to one strategy?
A very strange excuse.Could be they are hedging their bets on DX12's explicit multi-GPU becoming popular, but I don't see many devs using that in their games..
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2519-gtx-1060-sli-benchmark-in-ashes-multi-gpu
Actually I think the best part about the 1060 and 480 launches is some people (on this very forum even) got them for MSRP. I don't know anyone who has gotten a $379 1070 without like a Jet.com or Paypal coupon or something.
Correct, but in the real world (at least in The Netherlands, and I'm really someone who tries to fight this behavior FYI) people will rather pay a little extra for nVidia, because "nVidia" and they also often see EVGA as "the holy grail" and they can pre-order a custom EVGA GTX 1060 model for 279 euros as we speak. Most RX480s seem to be in the >= 225 GBP range (270 euros). So while the card that you are talking about costs a little over 240 euros, most people still go for what feels like the save option to them. We all know what the (desktop) GPU marketshare graphs have been like for quite a few years now...Sapphire 4gb Nitro edition 480 is available for pre-order at GBP 199.99 from OCUK, and i doubt that any 1060 is that cheap.
Apparently a lot of the driver team's focus is on getting CF/SLI to work. It takes up the bulk of their time.
You either need a bigger driver team or you forgo the exotic options, like 3/4 GPU. Then you forgo the mainstream option, so now there's no need to worry about the 1060 and lesser GPU.
Only focus on 1070/1080. Job made easier. Saves $.
I think you're mixing up two different cards. Sapphire's aftermarket nitro 4gb 480 is for GBP200 including shipping & VAT, which is not bad at all. 1060s are a fair bit expensive, and i doubt that they'd be significantly faster, if at all even in DX11. It should actually consume about 15W+ less for memory alone than the 8gb reference model, so efficiency-wise should be closer to 1060 than some here will want it to be.Correct, but in the real world (at least in The Netherlands, and I'm really someone who tries to fight this behavior FYI) people will rather pay a little extra for nVidia, because "nVidia" and they also often see EVGA as "the holy grail" and they can pre-order a custom EVGA GTX 1060 model for 279 euros as we speak. Most RX480s seem to be in the >= 225 GBP range (270 euros). So while the card that you are talking about costs a little over 240 euros, most people still go for what feels like the save option to them. We all know what the (desktop) GPU marketshare graphs have been like for quite a few years now...
I think you're mixing up two different cards. Sapphire's aftermarket nitro 4gb 480 is for GBP200 including shipping & VAT, which is not bad at all. 1060s are a fair bit expensive, and i doubt that they'd be significantly faster, if at all even in DX11. It should actually consume about 15W+ less for memory alone than the 8gb reference model, so efficiency-wise should be closer to 1060 than some here will want it to be.
The 8gb models are indeed more expensive, but there's a good range between GBP235 & GBP250. What's more impressive is Powercolor's factory fitted water cooled card is available to order for GBP322.
Here's leaked benches for the Nitro+ 480.
Some in the press said reviews are coming in a few days.
Apparently a lot of the driver team's focus is on getting CF/SLI to work. It takes up the bulk of their time.
You either need a bigger driver team or you forgo the exotic options, like 3/4 GPU. Then you forgo the mainstream option, so now there's no need to worry about the 1060 and lesser GPU.
Only focus on 1070/1080. Job made easier. Saves $.
Paper launch yet againCheaper in India and UK this morning (ZOTAC GTX 1060 AMP!). Retailers in my country don't care much about the competitor so probably the same here, will update when we have prices.
In China both reference rx 480s and AIB gtx 1060s start from 1999￥.
Zotac Amp and Mini versions are up for pre-order in India for 25k,23k would be available July 25 onwards.
Rx 480 8GB is going for ~27k INR in India.
For reference, Amp 1070 and 1080 are listed at ~38k and 58.5k.
Rx 480 4GB models doesn't seem to be available in these regions.
Yea, after all the complaining about nVidia and Intel fans crapping in AMD threads, half the posts in this thread seem to be about how all games will soon be DX12 and nVidia cards will suck. I mean, you would think 1060 wont be able to play DX12 games at all from the FUD that is flying around these forums. And even worse, there is a 480 thread if AMD "supporters" want to extoll the 480 and how it will be so fantastic in DX12/Vulcan.
From what I understand Nvidia & their AIB partners have much tighter control over the retail channel here, India being a key market going forward; so the majority of the sellers here won't be able to gouge customers unless the former allows it explicitly, or implicity, but also the fact that there's no major r(e)tailer who can set price on their own like a Newegg or Amazon.
AMD on the other hand can't dictate what these sellers charge, online or offline, therefore seeing how the demand of 480 has exploded globally the locals are just making hay. Pretty easy to understand & yet annoying at the same time
You mean Nvidia or their board partners? As for pricing Apple can & does reign in the prices at which iphones are sold here, I'd assume they have a similarly tight leash for the rest of the world, Samsung as well just to a lesser extent.It's called a free market. The supplier can't dictate pricing. Not sure about India but most of the Western countries are like that.
You can buy a nice custom GTX 1060 (a bit faster than Founder's Edition) for less than the terrible reference RX 480 8GB in some countries right now.
There doesnt exist a problem with DX12. Look at Ashes, the GTX1060 is as fast. Dont forget that Pascal has improvements for DX12 that were missing from Maxwell and no developer was able to optimize (okay ignore AMD paid developers) for it.
I am not aware whether Jingdong used to or does show number of sales although they do show comments/reviews which can be of certified buyers as well those who don't have bought.Looking on jd.com (huge Chinese store) it says they've only sold one recently, think there may be stock issues. For comparison the 480 has recent sales of 577 and 390 for the two models in stock.
None of those are direct from JD either (for either brand), they're resellers so it'll be interesting to see if prices move when the cards arrive.
I am not aware whether Jingdong used to or does show number of sales although they do show comments/reviews which can be of certified buyers as well those who don't have bought.
In NZ the RX480 (8GB reference) is ~$500 (~$300USD before 15% GST). No GTX 1060's at all. Glad to see you label the 1060 "Nice" and the 480 "terrible". Makes it kinda hard to take your opinion as credible.
From a UK perspective, there's barely £5 between the cheapest GTX 1060 vs the cheapest RX 480 8GB at the moment. £200 4GB 480's are available to pre-order but the only ones in stock have swollen to £215. Overall price difference works out to £5 (vs 8GB) up to £15-£30 (vs 4GB). Many 1060's are out of stock, but then 480 AIB's are still nowhere to be seen, so it's a waiting game either way for the many who don't want a blower cooler. And Asus Strix has always had a joke premium in the UK. Example : GTX 1060 Strix = £299 ($397) vs RX 480 8GB Strix = £290 ($385). Their 750Ti Strix was £140 (only £20 cheaper than GTX 960) when everyone else's 750Ti were £95-£110. "Strix = +£40-£60 premium vs everyone else of the same card" is an Asus thing that's never really made any sense when everyone just heads straight for the cheapest MSI's / Gigabyte's / EVGA's / Zotac's, etc.RX-480 sells for $299 while GTX 1060 is from $349 (mini-versions) up to $499 (yes, no joke) Asus Strix OC.
In NZ the RX480 (8GB reference) is ~$500 (~$300USD before 15% GST). No GTX 1060's at all. Glad to see you label the 1060 "Nice" and the 480 "terrible". Makes it kinda hard to take your opinion as credible.
That's the total comments/reviews afaik.As far as I know it's this bit in the red box:
The bit in gray just above the price means not in stock (in Beijing in this case)
As far as the reviews go, I tend not to trust them too much. Especially since there's a few that were posted on 19th July that says they've received their card on the 21st.
Just looked at oc uk 1.5 hrs ago. Cheapest 4gb 480 in stock was £ 190. Yes. But only a few. You know the kind of 8gb i guess.From a UK perspective, there's barely £5 between the cheapest GTX 1060 vs the cheapest RX 480 8GB at the moment. £200 4GB 480's are available to pre-order but the only ones in stock have swollen to £215. Overall price difference works out to £5 (vs 8GB) up to £15-£30 (vs 4GB). Many 1060's are out of stock, but then 480 AIB's are still nowhere to be seen, so it's a waiting game either way for the many who don't want a blower cooler. And Asus Strix has always had a joke premium in the UK. Example : GTX 1060 Strix = £299 ($397) vs RX 480 8GB Strix = £290 ($385). Their 750Ti Strix was £140 (only £20 cheaper than GTX 960) when everyone else's 750Ti were £95-£110. "Strix = +£40-£60 premium vs everyone else of the same card" is an Asus thing that's never really made any sense when everyone just heads straight for the cheapest MSI's / Gigabyte's / EVGA's / Zotac's, etc.
That's the total comments/reviews afaik.
Hover the cursor over the number, it will show a url ending with "comments-list"