Geforce GTX 1080 Ti now official - Faster than Titan X ($699)

[tential]

9 months from now? Yeah, probably. Because that's how long it's been since the 1080 launch.


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Point to the 780ti and 980ti price cuts please.

 

[Cakefish]

Not sure how that is a bad thing. Those who bought the 1080 on release have been enjoying unparalleled gaming performance for the past 9 months, and this will apply for 1080ti owners unless Vega ruins the party.

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This the point I'm trying to make. I bought a 1080. The person I was replying to is trying to make me and others who bought 1080s feel ripped off and unhappy because there's a successor out. Well, the 1080 Ti isn't going to remain king of GPUs forever. There will be a successor that will offer better value for money come 2018. This is guaranteed. The 1080 is still a powerful card that will handle 2017 games easily. I'm going to wait for Volta to replace my 1080.

If I had bought a 1080 in the past month or two, then yeah, I would be annoyed with myself. But I bought a GPU that remained champion for the whole duration of 2016. The 1080 Ti will probably rein supreme for 2017 but it sure as heck won't in 2018. Technology always progresses. And like you've mentioned there's the AMD wildcard which there wasn't last year. So anyone buying a 1080 Ti now is taking just as big a risk as those buying 1080s last year were. But it's not really a risk because in regards to 1080 Ti being the very best at this price point, it's not a matter of 'if' but 'when' it'll be toppled.

I got a Galaxy S7 last year, it's about to be replaced by the S8, did I make a wasted purchase? No. It's the way technology industry works, always a new shiny thing around the corner, you will never own the best of the best for long.


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[tamz_msc]

This the point I'm trying to make. I bought a 1080. The person I was replying to is trying to make me and others who bought 1080s feel ripped off and unhappy because there's a successor out. Well, the 1080 Ti isn't going to remain king of GPUs forever. There will be a successor that will offer better value for money come 2018. This is guaranteed. The 1080 is still a powerful card that will handle 2017 games easily. I'm going to wait for Volta to replace my 1080.

I got a Galaxy S7 last year, it's about to be replaced by the S8, did I make a wasted purchase? No. It's the way technology industry works, always a new shiny thing around the corner, you will never own the best of the best for long.


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GTX 980 owners did not feel ripped off when the 980Ti launched, because it mostly held its launch price of 500$. Are you sure the situation is the same this time?

 

[96Firebird]

People complain about the stagnation of video card performance, so Nvidia releases the Pascal lineup.

People complain the performance isn't enough, Nvidia releases the Titan X Pascal.

People complain about Nvidia price gouging, so Nvidia releases the 1080 Ti which drives down prices of cards.

Lesson learned? People are complainers.

 

[tamz_msc]

People complain about the stagnation of video card performance, so Nvidia releases the Pascal lineup.

People complain the performance isn't enough, Nvidia releases the Titan X Pascal.

People complain about Nvidia price gouging, so Nvidia releases the 1080 Ti which drives down prices of cards.

Lesson learned? People are complainers.

Wait what? I thought people universally complained about the stagnation of CPU performance?

 

[Cakefish]

Point to the 780ti and 980ti price cuts please.

Here you go:

http://www.pcgamer.com/pascal-pushes-down-pricing-on-geforce-gtx-980-ti-980-and-970-graphics-cards/

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...80-ti-prices-crater-in-wake-of-pascals-launch

https://www.techpowerup.com/223432/nvidia-cuts-prices-of-gtx-980-ti-gtx-980-and-gtx-970

https://www.techpowerup.com/205418/nvidia-kills-the-gtx-780-ti-gtx-780-gtx-770-cuts-gtx-760-pricing

GTX 980 owners did not feel ripped off when the 980Ti launched, because it mostly held its launch price of 500$. Are you sure the situation is the same this time?

Perhaps not the 980 but the 780 dropped in price when the 780 Ti landed. And the 680 and the 580... the 980 was an exception to the rule (and people heavily criticised NVIDIA at the time for that). It's not like price cuts after successor cards are released are unheard of. And it's risky to assume that the 1080 Ti definitely won't get a price cut by the end of the year. Remember that AMD is launching Vega later this year, it's a wildcard. Who knows what'll happen? And it's a 100% certainty that prices of 1080 Ti's will collapse once NVIDIA reveals Volta GPUs in 2018.

So how are people who bought 1080's in 2016 (price cut in early 2017) any worse off than people buying 1080 Ti's in 2017 (price cut in 2018, possibly by the end of 2017).


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[Sweepr]

We're going to see the TXP replaced with a a full die in the not too distant future for $1200 I'm sure.

Very likely. Quadro P6000 was shown to deliver 17% better performance than Titan X (Pascal), and that's with rather modest clocks. Imagine what a gaming focused 'full' GP102 with 24GB GDDR5X at 250-300W TDP will be capable of. That's a high bar not only for AMD but also NVIDIA with Volta (GV104).

 

[EXCellR8]

I don't really understand why they bother releasing non-Ti cards when they just have something better on the market so quickly.

 

[n0x1ous]

I don't really understand why they bother releasing non-Ti cards when they just have something better on the market so quickly.

uhhhh $$$$$$$$$$$

 

[EXCellR8]

that doesn't make sense when you see how low the demand for high end cards is... if they charged less for a card that wasn't going to be obsolete in 2 months, I think they'd be more profitable.

 

[Headfoot]

Looks awesome. Longer wait between the Titan and the Ti this time, but we get the same shader count (although that's only because the Titan isn't a fully enabled die in the first place). 11GB is strange to see, but losing a few ROPs and a little memory bandwidth won't make much of a difference I'm sure. Easily compensated via overclocking. I'm definitely getting either this or Vega. We'll see how it shakes out. In a tie or near tie scenario I'll probably go Vega so that I can get one of those inexpensive freeysnc ultrawides out of korea, but if this 1080 Ti is respectably ahead then I'll hold on to my 3x1080 for another generation of cards. I just cant justify spending the extra on the gsync ultrawide for a small enough difference. We'll see though.

Should be a monster card, really looking forward to the aftermarket designs

 

[n0x1ous]

that doesn't make sense when you see how low the demand for high end cards is... if they charged less for a card that wasn't going to be obsolete in 2 months, I think they'd be more profitable.

the demand for high end parts is the only thing on the upswing in the pc market. Just leave the numbers to JHH. I think its pretty clear he knows what he is doing

 

[tamz_msc]

the demand for high end parts is the only thing on the upswing in the pc market. Just leave the numbers to JHH. I think its pretty clear he knows what he is doing

Pretty sure high end in this case is up to GTX 1070. The GTX 1080 doesn't show as large a growth as the GTX 1070, let alone the GTX 1060 - according to the Steam HW survey.

 

[zinfamous]

that doesn't make sense when you see how low the demand for high end cards is... if they charged less for a card that wasn't going to be obsolete in 2 months, I think they'd be more profitable.

such customers generally seem to have no problem double-dipping the $600-800 price range every year. Yes, it's a tiny market, but when that is the behavior of such customers, you effectively have "doubled" the size of that market, lol.

If I were NVDA, I would have no problem with this, either.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The early adopters of the 1080 Ti will be in the same situation when NVIDIA Volta comes around in 6-12 months time, offering more performance at the same price point.



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By that logic, nobody should buy any computer component, because the Next Best Thing(tm) is always 6-12 months away.

 

[Bacon1]

Otherwise you wait for Vega and in 3-6 months time Volta comes around destroying you.

So you are expecting Volta in less than a year from now? That makes the 1080 Ti a terrible buy as well then.

 

[crisium]

I expect that Titan black edition, full chip to come out at some point. Titan people will get some love too I bet.

I don't think so. It would make things harder for Volta. Nvidia want 2070 >= Titan XP. Worked well for 970 and 1070 (at least at stock) so they will do it again.

 

[SlickR12345]

I think I'll wait in my main rig. I have the 980ti and I still don't see any reason to upgrade. I can play most games at max setting at 1440p at 60fps. I'll wait until I have more information about Vega and then I'll make a decision. I mean we know Vega is going to launch Q2, so it can be April or June, but we have to have information about its specs before that.

 

[w3rd]

I am buying a 1080ti, once MSI releases their brand.
To replace my old 980 that I have attached to my Acer X34 (3440 x 1440). But I am also picking up an Acer 38" freesync for my new Ryzen build, but will have to use an older AMD R9 laying around until Vega drop (probably a dual-chip version), because I think buying a GTX1080 @ $499 would be a waste and off cycle, and for BF I wasn't all that impressed with the 980 in that rig, that is why the 1080ti is an instant buy for an Acer x34 g-sync. But, I can wait 4 months and see how efficient Vega is for the rest of the rigs, not tied to g-sync technology.

I have several gaming/working rigs (ie: mini-lan room). I do complete new builds when warranted, but when I do, I build them with a performance min/max ratio of 80%. And over the last 30 years (from running a BBS to OC to Clan gaming) is that I am a prosumer and my own guinea pig. I follow the technology, closely. Vega & Volta will be fighting for space in my other rigs, because I really like 38"+ gaming (4k), & display port 1.4 capable gpus.

This fall is a gamers dream, us consumers are going to watch AMD & NVidia duke it out, in a gpu war..!
But, anyone with a current g-sync monitor should be all over this 1080ti.



ARMA/Project Cars/Battlefield are going to get some love.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

TBH I see this more as great news for the 1080 than specifically the TI. My 1080 drives 1440p quite happily at >90fps in most instances, so unless I had a 4k already waiting for me, I'd probably take this opportunity to find an on-sale 1080 either from the re-sellers or someone doing a deeper discount than MSRP.

For 4k >60 this is a no-brainer IMO, but how many people fall into that category?

 

[Cakefish]

Let's do some maths and see how much extra longevity you actually get when you only purchase x80 Ti parts vs x80 parts.

Here's launch dates for the last few generations of NVIDIA GPUs:

780 (May 23, 2013)
780 Ti (November 7, 2013)
980 (September 18, 2014)
980 Ti (June 1, 2015)
1080 (May 27, 2016)
1080 Ti (March 5, 2017)

So let's work out the relative lifespans of these GPUs (i.e. the number of days until they were directly replaced with a next generation part).

700 series
-> 780: 484 days until replaced by direct sucessor, the 980
-> 780 Ti: 572 days until replaced by direct sucessor, the 980 Ti
-> Difference in 'lifespan' between 780 and 780 Ti: 88 days
-> 780 had 85% of the 'lifespan' that the 780 Ti did

900 series
-> 980: 618 days until replaced by direct sucessor, the 1080
-> 980 Ti: 644 days until replaced by direct sucessor, the 1080 Ti
-> Difference in 'lifespan' between 980 and 980 Ti: 26 days
-> 980 had 96% of the 'lifespan' that the 980 Ti did

SUMMARY: the 780 had 85% of the lifespan that the 780 Ti did. Fair enough, the 780 wasn't as long-lived as the 780 Ti was. However, that gap closed significantly with the 980 which had 96% of the lifespan the 980 Ti did. So yeah, there was more of a case that you got a longer lifespan out of the 780 Ti than the 780, but the relative lifespans of the 980 Ti and 980 were almost the same with only a slight advantage to the 980 Ti. So assuming this pattern continues, is getting a 1080 at launch really that stupid compared to getting a 1080 Ti at launch?

By that logic, nobody should buy any computer component, because the Next Best Thing(tm) is always 6-12 months away.

Yes, exactly my point! Early adopters of the 1080 shouldn't have to feel ashamed of their purchase.


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[ddogg]

I don't see Volta coming out in 2017 unless AMD pulls a miracle. Even then, Nvidia has the mind share and will still sell more or they may release a x80 TI ultra or something. In my opinion, this is the best time to grab a TI if you are in the market for that level of performance. I certainly don't feel bad purchasing a 1080 and now having to take a hit as it's all part of the game.

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[Arachnotronic]

I don't see Volta coming out in 2017 unless AMD pulls a miracle. Even then, Nvidia has the mind share and will still sell more or they may release a x80 TI ultra or something. In my opinion, this is the best time to grab a TI if you are in the market for that level of performance. I certainly don't feel bad purchasing a 1080 and now having to take a hit as it's all part of the game.

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Don't expect consumer Volta in 2017. It's a 2018 product, just look at what Micron is saying about GDDR6 availability. That's when you should expect Volta.

 

[OatisCampbell]

I have a "tin foil hat" theory GPU releases and prices:
1. Companies always have multiple designs in progress over years, getting more or less budget based on perceived profitability.
2. The absence of competition at a price point can delay release of parts to sell older parts longer, and increase the price of parts to maximize margins.
3. The companies work with the same software and hardware companies, odds are good they each have a hunch as to what each other is up to.

So if NVIDIA knows AMD has a part that beats 1080 coming out in April/May/June, and they have a pile of Titan XP chips that didn't quite make Titan XP spec, they can release those with some faster RAM at $699, lower 1080s to $499, and mop up a bunch of sales while AMD finishes their last re-spin and card fabrication.

Would be my guess anyway.

 

[crisium]

Good post cakefish. I guess the only difference is the prices this time around. In all cases the x80 user also payed a little less than for the Ti card. 780 launch was $50 less than 780 Ti, and 980 was $100 less than 980 Ti. The prices are equal this time for FE users who bit at launch, and even the first wave of aftermarket was usually $650+.

But, in general, Nvidia has a fairly consistent cycle and being on either the x80 or Ti cycle gets you the fastest card in the world for a while, followed by months of being dethroned as king. In most cases x80 is cheaper, and in all cases it has lower power consumption. I'd argue the x80 cycle may actually be better from this perspective.