Geforce GTX 1080 Ti now official - Faster than Titan X ($699)

[JDG1980]

They are the exact same chips so no idea why people are thinking they will clock better than Titan's, since those aren't thermal limited.

This is not true according to TPU:
"The Titan X is definitely limited by the board's power limit and temperatures going above 83°C, which will both result in lower clocks due to NVIDIA Boost."

AIB 1080 Ti cards with higher power limits and beefier aftermarket coolers should be able to do much better on overclocking than the Titan X Pascal, which only comes in reference versions.

 

[Bacon1]

Not sure where you heard that Volta is coming out in a few months. I'm not expecting x80 Volta until next year

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So you are expecting Pascal -> Volta to be the slowest release in the last 12 years for Nvidia?

 

[DooKey]

This close to Volta? I've heard that Volta is coming in a few months, right after Vega releases. Since Volta will offer better performance for less power and be cheaper I don't see how this is such a good deal this far into the lifecycle of Pascal. Its not like some new features or something, its just a slightly cut down Titan chip they've had released for 9 months for cheaper.

8800 90): Nov 2006
8800 (65): Nov 2007 (1 year)
9800 (65): Apr 2008 (8 months)
9800 (55): July 2008 (3 months)
285 (55): Jan 2009 (6 months)
480 (40): Mar 2010 (1 year 2 months)
580 (40): Nov 2010 (8 months)
680 (28): Mar 2012 (1 year 4 months)
780 (28): May 2013 (1 year 2 months)
980 (28): Sept 2014 (1 year 4 months)
1080 (16): May 2016 (1 year 8 months)

So assuming at worse case it takes a year and 8 months (980 -> 1080 which was the longest time) that gives you until Jan next year, or 10 months for $700, or $70/month. Titan XP would have been out for 17 months, so also $70/month. So you are basically getting the same worth that people who bought the original Titan XP are, they've just had it for an extra 7 months already.

If it only takes 1 year 4 months (so 1 yr 3 month for TXP) the TXP was top for $92/month and 1080 Ti was top for 6 months @ $116/month.

Or are people expecting Volta not until mid 2018?

Volta is a 2018 product. 1080 Ti will be the King of vid cards for a year. That's good value.

 

[ddogg]

So you are expecting Pascal -> Volta to be the slowest release in the last 12 years for Nvidia?

You honestly think consumer Volta is just a few months away? I can't really argue against that logic since I don't have any hard facts but I would be willing to bet it isn't releasing this year.

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[Bacon1]

Volta is a 2018 product. 1080 Ti will be the King of vid cards for a year. That's good value.

So Volta will be the slowest release in over a decade for Nvidia? Funny people have said that once Vega comes out Volta is right around the corner.

I've already shown with math that the Titan XP was already better value per month over this card. Never heard the Titan's called good value before.

You honestly think consumer Volta is just a few months away? I can't really argue against that logic since I don't have any hard facts but I would be willing to bet it isn't releasing this year.

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So thats a "Yes", Nvidia has slowed down their release cycle and Pascal -> Volta will be slower than any other release in the last 12 years.

 

[HurleyBird]

I'm guessing it will launch close to the end of this year or the beginning of next.

 

[Bacon1]

AIB 1080 Ti cards with higher power limits and beefier aftermarket coolers should be able to do much better on overclocking than the Titan X Pascal, which only comes in reference versions.

So more power hungry, hotter, more expensive custom 1080 Tis will be faster, not the one referenced in the OP cheers.

 

[96Firebird]

So thats a "Yes", Nvidia has slowed down their release cycle and Pascal -> Volta will be slower than any other release in the last 12 years.

How do you figure this? Starting with Fermi...

Fermi - 3/2010
Kelper - 3/2012 (24mo)
Maxwell - 9/2014 (30mo) (using GTX 980, not 750 Ti)
Pascal - 5/2016 (20mo)
Volta - Est. 1/2018 (20mo)

 

[DooKey]

So Volta will be the slowest release in over a decade for Nvidia? Funny people have said that once Vega comes out Volta is right around the corner.

I've already shown with math that the Titan XP was already better value per month over this card. Never heard the Titan's called good value before.



So thats a "Yes", Nvidia has slowed down their release cycle and Pascal -> Volta will be slower than any other release in the last 12 years.

I consider the Titan a great value. Top performance and will be king of the hill for over a year. YMMV of course, but I upgrade every cycle to the top card. Value is subjective and it's whatever you or I think it is.

 

[Madpacket]

Volta will get released later this year only if Nvidia has to. If Vega isn't significantly faster than the 1080Ti there's no good reason for Nvidia to butcher their existing lineup / margins by launching Volta. Who knows though, AMD could really surprise us with Vega in a few months.

 

[Madpacket]

Only if you think AMD releases products that are always aimed at every NVIDIA card in every price bracket.

I think both companies aim to compete with each other in all price categories. Historically this has mostly been status quo until the Fury X launched. Vega RX was demoed back in December with roughly 1080 performance. It's not much of a stretch for AMD to focus on 1080 Ti performance especially now that Nvidia showed its hand. The problem is AMD is late to the game when they need Vega the most.

Although these high end cards are niche and AMD dominates the price/performance segment with Polaris they're going to lose out on a lot of high end card sales (with fat margins) with enthusiasts completing their Ryzen builds.

 

[Madpacket]

It's not too late for Vega, but the bar has been raised. If the top Vega SKU decisively beats the best Pascal card (and it should be able to, based purely on the numbers) then there will be a ready audience from those enthusiasts who must have the best regardless of price. And GPU sales don't happen all at once - Q1 is actually a pretty slow time of year, the Christmas season is much more important.

Fair points. I look at it as more of a timing issue though. Is there anything as disruptive as Ryzen launching when Vega launches? This Ryzen / 1080Ti launch is catching the tax return money and people who love to build *all new* at once which may not be us, but many of my friends are like this. When they want a new computer they want everything new usually with a large budget set aside, they want a computer that will last them years. These people won't care about Vega when it launches in a few months, it's not available now and when it does launch they'll have blown their budget already.

 

[Mopetar]

I wonder where I fall as I have a 21:9 1440p, not a 16:9. Thing is, I'm not interested in the FE. I'm willing to spend ~$500 but not more.

Not sure what games you're playing, but here's someone who did a comparison between the two across 17 different games which should give you a good idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFdnbt4ubrI

Looks like the 1070 does well enough in most games and there are very few where the 1070 gets below 60 FPS and the 1080 hits at least 60. In most games their either both good enough, or both fall short enough where settings would need to be turned down or a Ti would be necessary.

 

[x3sphere]

So more power hungry, hotter, more expensive custom 1080 Tis will be faster, not the one referenced in the OP cheers.

Huh? No, Nvidia CEO said the reference 1080 Ti is faster than Titan X. The custom variants will just be even faster than the reference, thus even a bigger jump over Titan X.

 

[TemjinGold]

Not sure what games you're playing, but here's someone who did a comparison between the two across 17 different games which should give you a good idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFdnbt4ubrI

Looks like the 1070 does well enough in most games and there are very few where the 1070 gets below 60 FPS and the 1080 hits at least 60. In most games their either both good enough, or both fall short enough where settings would need to be turned down or a Ti would be necessary.

Thanks, that's interesting. Looks like I'm better off waiting for something better haha...

 

[Osjur]

I guess this is gonna be my next GPU along with Ryzen CPU in a unholy marriage

 

[Redstorm]

Why would anyone care if the memory bus is 352 or 251 or 125 or whatever as long as it works? It is not like the bus would affect the GPU functionality in any way

Nvidia used that odd number probably to lower cost to use 11GBps memory and achieve the 484GB bandwidth they need.

LOL 251 or 125 if your going to pick a number at least make it a multiple of 2.

 

[alcoholbob]

So you are expecting Pascal -> Volta to be the slowest release in the last 12 years for Nvidia?

Even if Volta launches within say 6 months, at best it will be the small die x80, which will cost in the same range as the 1080Ti ($650 to $699 range), and if anything like previous releases, will be only 10-15% faster once max overclocks are compared.

So even if it does launch early, most 1080Ti/Titan X owners won't have anything to upgrade to until Volta Titan comes out.

 

[ddogg]

Kind of sucks that the Ti Founders edition doesn't come with a DVI-D port. This means I will have to wait for the Asus models as I won't have a way to connect my secondary 1440p/60 monitor or get the Founders and sell off my Korean monitor for a cheap secondary that has a displayport.

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[moonbogg]

Ordered a Titan XP water block from EK. Now just to make sure I don't miss the release and have to wait 3 months for the thing to come back in stock.

 

[tamz_msc]

I think both companies aim to compete with each other in all price categories. Historically this has mostly been status quo until the Fury X launched. Vega RX was demoed back in December with roughly 1080 performance. It's not much of a stretch for AMD to focus on 1080 Ti performance especially now that Nvidia showed its hand. The problem is AMD is late to the game when they need Vega the most.

Although these high end cards are niche and AMD dominates the price/performance segment with Polaris they're going to lose out on a lot of high end card sales (with fat margins) with enthusiasts completing their Ryzen builds.

The implicit assumption in that being AMD is after the same margins as NVIDIA in the 500$+ segment, when every single time I've heard Raja talk indicates a view to the contrary.

They tried that with the Fury X and were immediately undercut by NVIDIA. If AMD has learned their lesson, they are better off staying away from this market for the time being, like they used to do earlier. Since they now have to target 1080Ti performance at a lower price, and given the rumors which suggest that it'll be an uphill task, they would not want Vega to be a Fury X all over again.

They should not even bother going above ~550$, just like the 7970 or the R9 290X(excluding niche stuff like the 7990 and 295X2), if that is the case.

 

[lopri]

If this thing had been released @$700 when the GTX 1080/1070 was released, then yah it would have been an expensive-but-still-attractive offering. I had the first Titan X a couple years ago and did not think it was that amazing, all things considering. Call me old school.

 

[ddogg]

Ordered a Titan XP water block from EK. Now just to make sure I don't miss the release and have to wait 3 months for the thing to come back in stock.

Same. I actually prefer the Bitspower waterblocks since they have RGB LEDs on their blocks and am using them currently but it doesn't seem there are any Titan XP blocks in stock right now.

 

[moonbogg]

Same. I actually prefer the Bitspower waterblocks since they have RGB LEDs on their blocks and am using them currently but it doesn't seem there are any Titan XP blocks in stock right now.

LED's would be pretty cool. I hardly ever look in there though. Still, I'd prefer LED's. Oh well.

 

[AtenRa]

Okay? You can make as many illogical guesses as you want. It has no bearing on reality and that reality is that Nvidia are crushing RTG while what we've seen of Vega pegs it at GP104 level or very slightly above at best. Sorry if using my eyes somehow offends you and forces you to make up irrelevant guesses of what I've said. And for the record, no, I never predicted that about AMD. Look at my username. Ghost of Cyrix. I've been into this market for a very long time. I'm not sure why you would guess that I don't believe AMD can challenge Intel other than your own bias grasping at straws in the absence of a relevant argument. They have many times in the past few decades. Come up with an actual argument next time instead of flinging insulting insinuations at people who actually use their objective senses.

I would really like to know where did you see that performance from VEGA when it has not launch yet.