Geforce GTX 1080 Ti now official - Faster than Titan X ($699)

[Aristotelian]

Ordered a Titan XP water block from EK. Now just to make sure I don't miss the release and have to wait 3 months for the thing to come back in stock.

Are you certain that the Titan XP waterblock will work with the 1080ti? To be clear: are you going with the Founders Edition?

I'm thinking of getting the ROG Strix 1080ti, but would love to know whether watercooling that would be better than the Founders Edition and, whether a specific waterblock for that layout would need to be developed.

The gaming build I was putting off for a while is coming back, likely around the time there is a 4k, HDR, high frequency panel out (I think Asus has announced such a monitor for later this year).

 

[Carfax83]

Looks like I need to put my GTX 1080 up for sale

 

[Ghost of Cyrix]

I would really like to know where did you see that performance from VEGA when it has not launch yet.

AMD's cherrypicked marketing demonstrations in Doom and Battlefront that still fail to impress. Are you that willfully ignorant just because you don't like what you see? No wait, let me guess. You actually believe AMD would sabotage themselves and deliberately show FPS on massively immature drivers or something, right? Because that's totally how AMD's marketing worked for Polaris. Yep, it outperformed what they showed us alright. [/sarcasm]

 

[caswow]

AMD's cherrypicked marketing demonstrations in Doom and Battlefront that still fail to impress. Are you that willfully ignorant just because you don't like what you see? No wait, let me guess. You actually believe AMD would sabotage themselves and deliberately show FPS on massively immature drivers or something, right? Because that's totally how AMD's marketing worked for Polaris. Yep, it outperformed what they showed us alright. [/sarcasm]

thats cute. you actually think that a ~500mm² GPU from amd will be just as fast as a 314mm² nvidia gpu...seems like amd engeneers forgot how to gpu right?

i would suggest just lets wait and see because vega will be amds first card with tile based rasterization this could be the biggest impact since going gcn.

 

[ddogg]

Are you certain that the Titan XP waterblock will work with the 1080ti? To be clear: are you going with the Founders Edition?

I'm thinking of getting the ROG Strix 1080ti, but would love to know whether watercooling that would be better than the Founders Edition and, whether a specific waterblock for that layout would need to be developed.

The gaming build I was putting off for a while is coming back, likely around the time there is a 4k, HDR, high frequency panel out (I think Asus has announced such a monitor for later this year).

According to EK, the Titan XP waterblocks will fit the TI likely because they use the same PCB. If you go with any other TI model you risk the chance that a block may not be made for that PCB unless they use the reference design which all founder editions use.

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[Ghost of Cyrix]

thats cute. you actually think that a ~500mm² GPU from amd will be just as fast as a 314mm² nvidia gpu...seems like amd engeneers forgot how to gpu right?

I'm not thinking it, I'm seeing it. It's right there. You can see it too.

And yeah about AMD's engineers and their financial ability to produce competitive consumer chips, actually. Considering how massively Maxwell/Pascal thrash every derivative of GCN in efficiency (transistor count, power, die space) and considering that Vega seems to be dedicating lots of die space to professional market features as a GP100 competitor rather than being focused on consumer/FP32 workloads like GP102, Vega's weak gaming performance for its size isn't an inexplicable shock.

i would suggest just lets wait and see because vega will be amds first card with tile based rasterization this could be the biggest impact since going gcn.

Wait and see for what? Drawing final conclusions on a design? Surely a person can't do that before we get 3rd party testing. But it seems rather foolish at this point to actually expect Vega to be GP102 levels of strong or for it to be some unprecedented leap to Pascal-equivalent efficiency. Nothing indicates that and plenty of information that AMD themselves chose to share indicates something much worse.

While we're waiting to see, we all know the 1080 Ti just cratered Vega's chances and is also sucking up all the Ryzen launch buyers who also want a fancy new GPU to go with it. AMD have yet to even properly counter the 1080 and easily arguably haven't even countered the aftermarket 980 Ti/1070 yet either. AMD's answer? We're getting rumblings of a Polaris rebrand and absolute silence on a final release date for Vega, a GPU that AMD can't even show significantly outperforming GP104 in Doom of all things.

Hope is one thing, outright denial is another.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Asus announced their 1080Ti cards and I see a DVI port on the non-reference ones - https://videocardz.com/66803/asus-announces-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-and-gtx-1080-ti-turbo

 

[Capt Caveman]

Are you certain that the Titan XP waterblock will work with the 1080ti? To be clear: are you going with the Founders Edition?

I'm thinking of getting the ROG Strix 1080ti, but would love to know whether watercooling that would be better than the Founders Edition and, whether a specific waterblock for that layout would need to be developed.

The gaming build I was putting off for a while is coming back, likely around the time there is a 4k, HDR, high frequency panel out (I think Asus has announced such a monitor for later this year).

Saw this about the waterblocks - https://videocardz.com/66659/ekwb-titan-x-pascal-waterblocks-compatible-with-geforce-gtx-1080-ti

 

[MBrown]

Would a 4790k @ 4.6 be enough for this at 1440p?

 

[caswow]

I'm not thinking it, I'm seeing it. It's right there. You can see it too.

And yeah about AMD's engineers and their financial ability to produce competitive consumer chips, actually. Considering how massively Maxwell/Pascal thrash every derivative of GCN in efficiency (transistor count, power, die space) and considering that Vega seems to be dedicating lots of die space to professional market features as a GP100 competitor rather than being focused on consumer/FP32 workloads like GP102, Vega's weak gaming performance for its size isn't an inexplicable shock.



Wait and see for what? Drawing final conclusions on a design? Surely a person can't do that before we get 3rd party testing. But it seems rather foolish at this point to actually expect Vega to be GP102 levels of strong or for it to be some unprecedented leap to Pascal-equivalent efficiency. Nothing indicates that and plenty of information that AMD themselves chose to share indicates something much worse.

While we're waiting to see, we all know the 1080 Ti just cratered Vega's chances and is also sucking up all the Ryzen launch buyers who also want a fancy new GPU to go with it. AMD have yet to even properly counter the 1080 and easily arguably haven't even countered the aftermarket 980 Ti/1070 yet either. AMD's answer? We're getting rumblings of a Polaris rebrand and absolute silence on a final release date for Vega, a GPU that AMD can't even show significantly outperforming GP104 in Doom of all things.

Hope is one thing, outright denial is another.

i actually dont know if you are serious...could you give me the number for your psychic i need to know the lottery numbers

 

[ddogg]

Managed to snag myself a Ti Was on Nvidia's page 2 mins before launch time practicing my f5 skills.

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[Bacon1]

How do you figure this?

I listed all of the x80 releases here: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...than-titan-x-699.2500431/page-6#post-38768966

With the largest gap being 1 year 8 months.

Even if Volta launches within say 6 months, at best it will be the small die x80, which will cost in the same range as the 1080Ti ($650 to $699 range), and if anything like previous releases, will be only 10-15% faster once max overclocks are compared.

So even if it does launch early, most 1080Ti/Titan X owners won't have anything to upgrade to until Volta Titan comes out.

So you aren't expecting more than 15% bump from Volta? 980 Ti -> 1080 was a good 20%+ bump. But either way, like I said you only have the top end card for a few months and are paying more per month than had you just bought Titan X to begin with. That means that this card is nothing more than a devalued Titan XP since it has released so late. Giving it a separate name allows them to sell both the devalued and full value one still and helps keep resale value high for those not paying attention to the technology. Its not any value for customers that are paying attention.

 

[moonbogg]

Managed to snag myself a Ti Was on Nvidia's page 2 mins before launch time practicing my f5 skills.

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What the hell its out of stock already. This is some real crap here.

 

[ddogg]

What the hell its out of stock already. This is some real crap here.

Not at all surprised. That's why I was on there at 11am sharp refreshing that page until I got the preorder link to show up. My friend also managed to get one.

 

[moonbogg]

Sounds like a soft launch to me almost. Hardly any availability on day 1 of preorder. How can they say its going to be released next week when they don't even have any? Damn I'm pissed right now. This is a huge tragedy. HUGE.

 

[ddogg]

Yeah I really feel for you. I wanted to make sure I got the first batch of stock since I knew online retailers are going to start price gouging on them just like what happened with the 1080s. Wouldn't be surprised if I see some places selling them for ~$800 the first few weeks/months.

 

[moonbogg]

I didn't even know there would be a preorder. How did you find out?

 

[tential]

Where are you guys planning on selling your 1080ti if you don't keep it? Craigslist or ebay for reselling launch hardware?

 

[Ghost of Cyrix]

i actually dont know if you are serious...could you give me the number for your psychic i need to know the lottery numbers

If you need a psychic to form an opinion on performance figures given freely by AMD, I'm a bit concerned.

AMD demoed Vega, they chose the game(s) most friendly to their hardware (Doom), they stated the settings (ultra), they left the FPS counter up (knowing full well that it gives performance away), and it's been been analyzed repeatedly and found to be about 1080 performance in that same area with the same settings in that cherrypicked example.

With Polaris, AMD demoed best-case scenarios. With Ryzen, same thing. What makes you think Vega will somehow be different and undersold? Their marketing team has shown that they're too smart to do that.

 

[ddogg]

I didn't even know there would be a preorder. How did you find out?

I saw it online on some website that they were doing preorders

Where are you guys planning on selling your 1080ti if you don't keep it? Craigslist or ebay for reselling launch hardware?

I wasn't planning on selling it, but I now see it going for $1000 on ebay This changes things, maybe?

 

[caswow]

If you need a psychic to form an opinion on performance figures given freely by AMD, I'm a bit concerned.

AMD demoed Vega, they chose the game(s) most friendly to their hardware (Doom), they stated the settings (ultra), they left the FPS counter up (knowing full well that it gives performance away), and it's been been analyzed repeatedly and found to be about 1080 performance in that same area with the same settings in that cherrypicked example.

With Polaris, AMD demoed best-case scenarios. With Ryzen, same thing. What makes you think Vega will somehow be different and undersold? Their marketing team has shown that they're too smart to do that.

ill simply bookmark this

 

[tential]

How is this being released? Nvidia only or everywhere at once?

 

[crisium]

It's a bigger chip than GP102, it has more raw computing power (~12.5 TFlops for Vega vs ~11 TFlops for Titan X Pascal), and should have roughly the same memory bandwidth. Architecturally, now that AMD has implemented tiled rendering and fixed the front-end bottlenecks of old GCN, Vega should be fairly close to Pascal as well. IMO, if it falls short of Titan X Pascal / GTX 1080 Ti, that's indicative of either immature drivers, or hardware glitches that require a respin.

AMD has trailed in performance-per-TFLOP (PPT) since time immemorial. You must have a lot of faith in them closing the gap in their new arch. AMD cards age like fine wine, but that's an optimistic view. An alternative view is that it takes a while for AMD to figure out their own arch and properly work with devs. GCN 1 lagged until Never Settle nearly a year later. GCN 4 has been gaining since launch as well, with its own annual driver update.

You are counting on AMD having a new arch that erases the very large PPT gap and having software ready for in in existing game suites that will be benchmarked (a variety of games from 2013-2017 most likely).

I'm not sure how it will do. My hope is it beats the 1080 Ti, but that's unrequited from reality and based on dreams. AMD oversells, so right now I think the optimistic but possible approach is that Vega beats 1080 at high resolutions at stock, but loses both max OC. Pessimistic is that it loses to the 1080 (but I will not believe it can lose to the 1070).

But I do have confidence AMD drivers will have it makes gains from wherever the baseline is. But if the baseline is comparable to a GP104, I'm not expecting it to catch GP102 through software. I will hope though it smashes the 1080 Ti, that would be great for the market.

 

[n0x1ous]

How is this being released? Nvidia only or everywhere at once?

nvidia store only for now. I mixed up thinking it was 10am and checked back a few minutes ago and it was too late

 

[MrTeal]

I listed all of the x80 releases here: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...than-titan-x-699.2500431/page-6#post-38768966

With the largest gap being 1 year 8 months.



So you aren't expecting more than 15% bump from Volta? 980 Ti -> 1080 was a good 20%+ bump. But either way, like I said you only have the top end card for a few months and are paying more per month than had you just bought Titan X to begin with. That means that this card is nothing more than a devalued Titan XP since it has released so late. Giving it a separate name allows them to sell both the devalued and full value one still and helps keep resale value high for those not paying attention to the technology. Its not any value for customers that are paying attention.

Product numbers really aren't a great way to measure generational gap. The 680/770 and 780/780Ti/Titan are equivalent to the 980 and 980 Ti or the 1080 and 1080 Ti. The 20 months between 980 and 1080 is representative of a true generational gap. Many of the others on your list are just refreshes of existing products; the list compiled by 96Firebird is probably a lot more useful when looking at actual architecture changes.