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alcoholbob

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If true I don't see how the 2080 will outperform/be on pair with the 1080ti. Either VERY high clock rates or there are a lot of changes to the architecture. Or nothing special and it simply won't catch the 1080ti.

Maybe for Nvidia Turing was more about focusing ray tracing instead of only more performance.

True, the math seems off. 2944 cores would require 1925 MHz boost just to match a 1080 Ti. It may be Nvidia is getting ready with much better gaming drivers with Turning launch.

Gotta remember the Titan V does Async/DX12 loads more efficient than Pascal. In Sniper Elite for example it was 50-60% faster than 1080 Ti despite only have 42.8% more shaders. So it's possible we'll see a slight IPC increase from drivers.
 

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Not sure why you are assuming different SM arrangements, or why one or the other would take up significantly different amounts of die space for the same CUDA count when they deliver the same function in the same generation.

This Toms article, and TechPowerup database, list 2x smaller SMs for the biggest die, but I'm not sure where they got their info from. I've also seen some slides mentioning the same specs- but did not watch nVidia's Siggraph, so have no clue if those are official.
 

PeterScott

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This Toms article, and TechPowerup database, list 2x smaller SMs for the biggest die, but I'm not sure where they got their info from. I've also seen some slides mentioning the same specs- but did not watch nVidia's Siggraph, so have no clue if those are official.

If they had a significantly more efficient SM arrangement, it would make even more sense to use it on the bigger die, since it will be that much worse and have that much worse yields.
 

Caveman

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Some talk of connectors required for the 2080 Ti... Someone said qty 2, 8 pin connectors

The following specs are for a Corsair PS... What does the graphics connection vernacular mean? Is a 6 + 2 pin the same as an 8 pin connector?

Drive/Power Connectors
Modular
Yes
ATX Connector
20+4-pin
ATX 12V Connector
1 x 4+4-pin
Graphics Connector
8 x 6+2-pin
Molex Connector
11
SATA Connector
12
Floppy Connector
2
 

jpiniero

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True, the math seems off. 2944 cores would require 1925 MHz boost just to match a 1080 Ti. It may be Nvidia is getting ready with much better gaming drivers with Turning launch.

You have to remember even the 1080 Ti FE would tun above the "stock" boost clock of 1582 in most titles. In AT's review their card averaged over 1600 in all of the games they ran. Maybe that's why the better cooler and higher TDP on the 2080 FE - they need it to boost at "stock" to maybe 2 Ghz or more.
 

sze5003

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Seems to me the more and more rumor sites we see here that we will have a Ti version announced Monday. But would this be something maybe not available until later?

Curious why there is no asus version. I had a 1080ti gigabyte model and had nothing but issues with it. Either way I'm ready to order as long as there is an evga ftw model too.

I just have a hard time believing all these AIB models being available right away.
 

maddie

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Seems to me the more and more rumor sites we see here that we will have a Ti version announced Monday. But would this be something maybe not available until later?

Curious why there is no asus version. I had a 1080ti gigabyte model and had nothing but issues with it. Either way I'm ready to order as long as there is an evga ftw model too.

I just have a hard time believing all these AIB models being available right away.
If the Ti model arrives much later, then Nvidia loses sales as customers will know it exists and will hold off. Once announced, it will have to come soon. Who will buy a 2080 for a month or two, outside of the extreme few?
 

sze5003

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If the Ti model arrives much later, then Nvidia loses sales as customers will know it exists and will hold off. Once announced, it will have to come soon. Who will buy a 2080 for a month or two, outside of the extreme few?
Yes that's right, perhaps they picked up on the trend of what me and a few others here would do, sit,wait, and go for the Ti only. So this means this gen will only last a year and next year they have us throwing money down again. At 1440p my 1080ti is fine..I don't need a new one now but I want it!

Plus it would get me into playing more on PC lately as I've been mainly using my PC for VR stuff and my console for other games.

I think those that have a 980 still would be more than happy to get a 2080 and sit on it for two years. Most of us here are tech enthusiasts but the general public doesn't upgrade as often.
 

maddie

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Expect it to be FE only at launch. But the launch has all been screwed up that the AIB cards may not be that far off.
Why screwed up? It seems the best tactic if these cards only last for one year. So many still saying this can't happen. Well, it used to, admittedly quite a while ago.
 

maddie

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Yes that's right, perhaps they picked up on the trend of what me and a few others here would do, sit,wait, and go for the Ti only. So this means this gen will only last a year and next year they have us throwing money down again. At 1440p my 1080ti is fine..I don't need a new one now but I want it!

Plus it would get me into playing more on PC lately as I've been mainly using my PC for VR stuff and my console for other games.

I think those that have a 980 still would be more than happy to get a 2080 and sit on it for two years. Most of us here are tech enthusiasts but the general public doesn't upgrade as often.
Exactly. By releasing the xx80 cards a year from the xx80Ti models they got the big spenders to upgrade yearly. If cards are changing to the 7nm 3xxx models in one year this tactic won't work. Now everyone, or at least more will upgrade next year especially as the RT capability will be stronger then.
 

happy medium

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285 watts? About how much faster will this 2080ti be than the 250watt 1080ti? I'm Guessing by the numbers with no IPC increase.
40%?
 

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For the PNY card linked above.

$1K is actually on the low side of what I was expecting for a such a huge beast of a chip.

With so many OEM AIB designs shown already, it really seems that these will be shipping soon after the reveal on Monday.
 

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If the clocks are true and the boost is only up to 1545MHz? Probably like 10-15% @stock.
That makes no sense, 15% is way too low, there must be some good IPC increases going on.

1080ti, 1582 boost , with 3584 cores vs 4352 cores at the about the same boost. That's About 20% more cores correct? And more bandwidth at 616gbps.
So at least 20% faster.
 
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sze5003

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$1K is actually on the low side of what I was expecting for a such a huge beast of a chip.

With so many OEM AIB designs shown already, it really seems that these will be shipping soon after the reveal on Monday.
Looks like I need to get familiar with the nowinstock alerts again. Ugh I hate those things because I can't use them while I'm at work.
 

Karnak

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That makes no sense, 15% is way too low, there must be some good IPC increases going on.
What makes no sense?

The 2080Ti has ~21,5% more Shaders than the 1080Ti. With only a maximum of 1545MHz, the clocks (real world due to temp limit, not the max. boost of 1797MHz) would be like 100-200MHz lower compared to the 1080Ti. Makes totally sense. If there are some IPC increases, than I'd say ~20% more are realistic, maybe 25%.

Assuming the PNY leak is correct. But should be the case IMO.
 

alcoholbob

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That makes no sense, 15% is way too low, there must be some good IPC increases going on.

1080ti, 1582 boost , with 3584 cores vs 4352 cores at the about the same boost. That's About 20% more cores correct? And more bandwidth at 616gbps.
So at least 20% faster.

I doubt there's any more IPC increases than what Volta brought with improved async. I don't believe Nvidia has ever released a bigger die AND achieved significant increased IPC in the same generation. If it happens it would be a first.
 

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What makes no sense?

The 2080Ti has ~21,5% more Shaders than the 1080Ti. With only a maximum of 1545MHz, the clocks (real world due to temp limit, not the max. boost of 1797MHz) would be like 100-200MHz lower compared to the 1080Ti. Makes totally sense. If there are some IPC increases, than I'd say ~20% more are realistic, maybe 25%.

Assuming the PNY leak is correct. But should be the case IMO.
Boost for a gtx1080ti is 1580 going by its specs. So the boost for both the 1080ti and 2080ti are about the same.
 

PeterScott

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I think the 2060 and 2050 are Turing chips. I think NV is going with an all new lineup.

Well, I hope anyway.

Same here. I would much rather get a lower power draw new chip, than high power draw older one of the same performance.

Though the rumors of 5GB of memory for the 2060 is a huge disappointment if true. I think I would be inclined to go with the 1080/1070Ti if price and performance are similar to have a that decent 8GB memory for high quality texture packs.
 
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