480 is faster then a 5870 ??? in what tesselation heavy benchmarks ? Most of the scores I have seen have them trading blows. Maybe the 480 has a few FPS on average buts its not like is 40% faster more like 2-5%
How could it have been 2x Faster than a 480 when a 480 was already faster than a 5870?
480 is faster then a 5870 ??? in what tesselation heavy benchmarks ? Most of the scores I have seen have them trading blows. Maybe the 480 has a few FPS on average buts its not like is 40% faster more like 2-5%
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580/14
Maybe you didn't look through all the benchmarks, but the gtx470 is faster than the hd5870 almost half the time. And the gtx480 is ~15-20% faster than the gtx470.
Nope, I didn't miss anything contrary to what you think. I think both you, and him, missed what I was saying entirely. Your argument is so fallacious.
Can't cast the bias card when you live by it as well.
You're kidding, right? I don't live by my biases. I am completely aware of them, unlike you assume. Although I can't fault you for this mistake as most people are controlled by their biases. Regardless that doesn't mean a person can't make observations as I have done, and it alone isn't enough to invalidate anything.
And as evidence of this bias, is the glaring absence of any bias accusation from you toward MrK6's post which Tviceman quoted.
That isn't evidence at all. I wasn't concerning myself with MrK's statement, only with tviceman's statement, which is quite frankly technically more offensive.
Nope I picked up on it (sarcasm) indeed. Acknowledge the entirety of my post. I kept it brief and succinct for a purpose. Coincidently, my point is the conclusion of my post: "And your "example" doesn't accomplish anything constructive." This meaning the (your) post is bait, plain and simple, concerning or not concerning your intentions.
And I chuckle yet again. I did read your first post, but I wasn't addressing it at all. My aim was simply at the post you had just made, hence why it's the only one I quoted.
Now should I go ahead and question your ability to read into context clues, too? Or do you have a better argument than unwarranted personal insults? If I recall correctly, that should be an infraction.
Multi GPU rigs have not had any major problems for ages
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580/14
Maybe you didn't look through all the benchmarks, but the gtx470 is faster than the hd5870 almost half the time. And the gtx480 is ~15-20% faster than the gtx470.
That's incorrect. Even with the latest drivers, GTX460 SLI/6850/70CF setups have plenty of problems from less than 50% scaling, poor minimum framerates to non-existent scaling.
I still think HD5970 is largely irrelevant when comparing it to the GTX580. If a person already decided to spend ~$500 and they are considering a multi-GPU setup, then the GTX580 should be compared to $400 HD6850 CF, $480 GTX470 SLI, or $480 HD6870 CF setups. That's a much better comparison for someone arguying price/performance at the $400-500 price level.
A crossfire profile for The Sacrifice is out btw, but I see what you are saying. I also wouldnt call those 2 or 3 games "plenty of problems" for either setup.
You are trying to prove to someone that a GTX480 is not only 2-5% faster than the HD5870 after 9 months of benchmarks across the web comparing the 2? We have quite a few posters who firmly believe that GTX480 and HD5870 are within 2-5% of each other on average despite evidence of every resolution you can think of split into DX9/10/11 showing the contrary.
You'll still see claims that Nvidia is only faster in DX11 only because of tesselation despite HD5870 barely beating GTX470 in games with no tessellation at all. You'll see the same people claim that GTX580 is only 5-10% faster than the 480, when the performance difference is more like 15-20%. And I expect the same people to claim that HD6970 is 20% faster on average than the 580 when it beats the GTX580 in 1 benchmark by that amount. Just leave it alone.
nope just hadn't bothered to lookthat hard, plus I think I mixed up the 470/480 scores.
Don't threaten or accuse me of doing something wrong - all you have to do is click the infraction button if you feel like I'm in violation of anything. Your simplification and ignorance to my other posts and points I am clarifying speaks for itself.
X bit has now done a 6870, gtx 460, 6850 dual gpu 19 game article.
They found , yes Barts crossfire , works much better than Cypress.
They test the F1 game that the 5970 did so lousy in at Hocp.
They found its now about a tie in terms of performance, between all three, the most expensive being the fastest, 6870. When o/c to 830mhz and not/ the gtx 460sli fell in the middle.
I thought it funny the quietest combo was Nvidia.
Good Read
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-hd6870-hd6850-crossfirex_15.html
That is a strange review - they included a palit sonic platinum gtx460, but apparently down clocked it 125mhz to reference speeds.
The card was tested at 675mhz and 830mhz to show stock vs. factory pre-overclocked GTX460 performance. What's weird about that methodology?
Xbit do have some excellent reviews, they just take ages to come out.
I think that has to do with the fact that they are a Russian review website. I imagine it takes far longer for companies to send them review samples overseas. Their conclusion of HD6850/70 CF scaling better than GTX460 in SLI seems to be inline with other reviewers. AMD did an amazing job. In some games, the scaling is nearly 100% :awe:
You are trying to prove to someone that a GTX480 is not only 2-5% faster than the HD5870 after 9 months of benchmarks across the web comparing the 2? We have quite a few posters who firmly believe that GTX480 and HD5870 are within 2-5% of each other on average despite evidence of every resolution you can think of split into DX9/10/11 showing the contrary.
On launch the GTX 480 was shown to be 10-15% faster than the 5870, and probably closer to 15% when AA is used. Whoever thought it was less either didn't read reviews or was in denial. There are still some outlying games that heavily favor one architecture over the other, but for the most part this has been consistent. And even at 10-15% faster, the GTX480 was still largely unimpressive. Now the GTX 580 is ~30% faster than a 5870 and that's still, well, unimpressive.I think he's thinking about the GTX480 on launch day. On launch day it was not very impressive, really only around 5% faster at most (and in NV TWIMTBP games). That's why launch reviews are very important since the performance in the initial reviews gets engraved in your head.
Of course a few months later we have much better drivers for the 480 and it's now beating the 5870 by as much as 15-20% in several games. Most users didn't know about these gains until we saw the GTX460 reviews. And in the 580 review just shows how much of a beast the 480 really is compared to the 5870.
Now the GTX 580 is ~30% faster than a 5870 and that's still, well, unimpressive.
it's unmpressive because the numbers you are quoting are on the low end (i.e., you are likely ignoring the most intensive games like metro 2033 and stalker.) :biggrin:
techspot review:
"in the 13 games we tested, the geforce gtx 580 was on average a match to the radeon 5970, 25% faster than the geforce gtx 480 and 46% faster than the radeon 5870. If you ignore the tessellation-enhanced results from metro 2033 and s.t.a.l.k.e.r.: Call of pripyat, the gtx 580 was 7% slower than the radeon 5970 and 33% faster than the radeon hd 5870."
computerbase.de review - 2560x1600 4aa/16af
gtx580 is 53% faster than hd5870
bit-tech.net review
- in dirt 2, the gtx 580 1.5gb was an incredible 63 per cent faster than atis fastest single-gpu card, the radeon hd 5870 1gb.
- in bf:bc2, at 1,920 x 1,200 with 4x aa the gtx 580 1.5gb managed a minimum of 48fps, a huge increase [60% faster] over the 30fps minimum of the hd 5870 1gb. While the hd 5970 2gb also put in some impressive numbers at 1,920 x 1,200, we encountered serious micro-stuttering at 2,560 x 1,200, meaning that the game was unplayable.
And even at 10-15% faster, the GTX480 was still largely unimpressive. Now the GTX 580 is ~30% faster than a 5870 and that's still, well, unimpressive.
Computerbase.de Review - 2560x1600 4AA/16AF
GTX580 is 53% faster than HD5870
Treibereinstellungen: Nvidia-Grafikkarten (GT200, GF10x)
* Texturfilterung: Qualität
Treibereinstellungen: AMD-Grafikkarten (HD 5870)
* Catalyst A.I.: Off (HD 5870)
* Mipmap Detail Level: High Quality
* Wait for vertical refresh: Always off
* AA-Modus: 1xAA, 4xAA, 8xAA
* Adaptive Anti-Aliasing: Off (nur RV7x0)
* Anti-Aliasing-Mode: Multi-Sampling (nur RV8x0)
It's unimpressive because the numbers you are quoting are on the low end (i.e., you are likely ignoring the most intensive games like Metro 2033 and STALKER.) :biggrin: