Geforce GTX 780 Ti unveiled

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Abwx

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No, try reading what I wrote.

If its a different chip, or a improved one with better silicon, and if they remove FP64 performance you find on Titan (because face it, this will most likely be a gamers card, not an jack of all trades like Titan), they can add more cores and even have the cores running faster than Titan. Meaning it will be quite a bit faster than +7% over Titan.
There is a reason why they skipped GPGPU on GK104 aka GTX 680.

Be assured that each of your sentences is scrutinized..

A point by point analysis :

If its a different chip, or a improved one with better silicon

Silicon is the same good ole 28nm from TSMC , dead mature
and unworthy of a re spin , better to focus on next gen and
fill the instant with the existing best die.


and if they remove FP64 performance you find on Titan

FP64 has no use in games , true , but it wont increase comsumption
in games even if it s enabled so there are no power savings by cutting
this functionality.

they can add more cores and even have the cores running faster than Titan. Meaning it will be quite a bit faster than +7% over Titan.

Max is 2880 , 7% more than in Titan and , for the reason above ,
unlikely to be used without a slight bump in thermals compared
to Titan if frequency is the same.
 

Cloudfire777

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Be assured that each of your sentences is scrutinized..

A point by point analysis :



Silicon is the same good ole 28nm from TSMC , dead mature
and unworthy of a re spin , better to focus on next gen and
fill the instant with the existing best die.




FP64 has no use in games , true , but it wont increase comsumption
in games even if it s enabled so there are no power savings by cutting
this functionality.



Max is 2880 , 7% more than in Titan and , for the reason above ,
unlikely to be used without a slight bump in thermals compared
to Titan if frequency is the same.

How do you know that silicon haven`t improved?

I just posted one chart earlier stating otherwise.
http://videocardz.com/images/2013/10/Tesla-K40-850x467.jpg

If it has, they can add more cores, and since its a gamers card, they can clock it more agressively than Titan.
They have a ton of power headroom from Titan up to 290X to give it more juice to reach higher clocks on those 2880 cores.




They can do GTX 780 + 1SMX though, but considering how close GTX Titan and 780 is, that would be kinda silly if you ask me.
 
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krumme

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To work this strategy require a product that is close
to the competition in all benches from the start , they
ll have trouble branding their alleged 780ti as the best
performing card when we saw that the regular 780 get
stomped by 35% in 4K benches by the stock 290x and
it s not a full GK110 die that will turn the tables.

Nv operate with stricter revivers guides. Lower res. Add different games selection. Add gsynch and lots of other more or less important info that the reviewers are FORCED to include in the review and they have a good chance to blurr the obvious.

Remember they have brand advantage meaning most information is interpreted their way. The power of a brand is enormous. In this situation it will eg mean nonsense like "amd have mantle and nv counters with gsynch, the winner of this have yet to be seen".

Wait and see
 

imaheadcase

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I would venture to guess the 780ti is just a original 780, but with boost and core clocks same as titan. The stream processors and Texture units are to close to be even note worthy to bump, and would undermine the titan to much.

Of course they could easily just say the 780ti is now rebranded Titan and phase out that naming..
 

3DVagabond

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I would assume it's faster than Titan, or what's the point? I imagine it's faster than the 290X, as well (Or faster than what nVidia thinks it is.). Again, what's the point if it's not?
 

toyota

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I would venture to guess the 780ti is just a original 780, but with boost and core clocks same as titan. The stream processors and Texture units are to close to be even note worthy to bump, and would undermine the titan to much.

Of course they could easily just say the 780ti is now rebranded Titan and phase out that naming..
the 780 already has higher clock speeds than the Titan. you do know the Titan can be replaced too? its not like it was designed to always be the fastest card. things change and we move forward.
 
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Leadbox

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I would assume it's faster than Titan, or what's the point? I imagine it's faster than the 290X, as well (Or faster than what nVidia thinks it is.). Again, what's the point if it's not?

If 290X is in the hands of reviewers then you best believe nVidia knows what they're up against
 

toyota

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Nvidia is not backed into a corner here. they have tons of room left to go with a faster card. all it takes is the Titan number of sp with the 780 clocks and they have a card that will match or beat 290x. Titan will have been on the market for 9 months when the 780ti comes out so its crazy to think it will not be surpassed if need be.
 

Majcric

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Just want to throw this out there

I Nvidia should have called this card GTX 785 or even GTX 790, the "Ti" makes me think of midrange. It has also been known confuse to potential buyers.
 

toyota

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Just want to throw this out there

I Nvidia should have called this card GTX 785 or even GTX 790, the "Ti" makes me think of midrange. It has also been known confuse to potential buyers.
well the ti suffix was always for a faster version of the model. 660ti faster than 660 and 560ti faster than 560. if someone is confused by that then they are probably out of the loop on most other things gpu related anyway. heck if anything 790 would be the confusing name since the x9x is usually for dual cards.
 
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Abwx

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Nv operate with stricter revivers guides. Lower res. Add different games selection. Add gsynch and lots of other more or less important info that the reviewers are FORCED to include in the review and they have a good chance to blurr the obvious.

Remember they have brand advantage meaning most information is interpreted their way. The power of a brand is enormous. In this situation it will eg mean nonsense like "amd have mantle and nv counters with gsynch, the winner of this have yet to be seen".

Wait and see

Gsync is really trivial thing , they are just making as much smoke
as they could from any piece of wood at disposal , as you pointed
it their marketing dept is quite innovative but their very marketing
is to spread the belief , wrong or right, that their offerings has the
best perfs overall and for their advrtisement to work they have
always tried to provide a powerfull chip whatever the cost since
its main role is to be used as a necessary flagship that is supposed
to scale its superiority down to the mainstream offerings.

In this respect AMD s last chip is quite annoying , moreover
when looking at 4k benches , wich despite being branded
as useless are still very usefull marketing wise because
when you speak high end cards you d rather look at the
upper side of things , i.e , more definition on larger screens ,
not higher fps at lower resolutions..

Hope it will help fund the next gens , so far they have
provided products of indicutably good quality theses
last years.
 

Abwx

Lifer
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How do you know that silicon haven`t improved?

I just posted one chart earlier stating otherwise.
http://videocardz.com/images/2013/10/Tesla-K40-850x467.jpg

If it has, they can add more cores, and since its a gamers card, they can clock it more agressively than Titan.
They have a ton of power headroom from Titan up to 290X to give it more juice to reach higher clocks on those 2880 cores.

They can do GTX 780 + 1SMX though, but considering how close GTX Titan and 780 is, that would be kinda silly if you ask me.

A ton of headroom is somewhat stretching the real situation
but it s true that they can try something along what was
discussed theses last posts , but is it only a worthy move.?

For the reasons i exposed on the post above they can hardly
accept to not being the perfs crown owners , they need it since
their marketing has always been based the claim that being
the crown owner makes you the best in all segments , a discutable
claim but so far marketing doesnt bother with reality , it wants
to create its own reality.

So we can expect a stretched card just to not let AMD
being too obviously superior for this round , moreover
given that 20nm is still about a full year away.

why are you writing like that, its annoying to
say the least, please write in a normal format,
thanks.

Heck , a ton of your posts are written like this ,
i guess that it s less bothering to write so than
to read alike...
 
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toyota

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A ton of headroom is somewhat stretching the real situation
but it s true that they can try something along what was
discussed theses last posts , but is it only a worthy move.?

For the reasons i exposed on the post above they can hardly
accept to not being the perfs crown owners , they need it since
their marketing has always been based the claim that being
the crown owner makes you the best in all segments , a discutable
claim but so far marketing doesnt bother with reality , it wants
to create its own reality.

So we can expect a stretched card just to not let AMD
being too obviously superior for this round , moreover
given that 20nm is still about a full year away.



Heck , a ton of your posts are written like this ,
i guess that it s less bothering to write so than
to read alike...
where have I ever written like that?
 

imaheadcase

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the 780 already has higher clock speeds than the Titan. you do know the Titan can be replaced too? its not like it was designed to always be the fastest card. things change and we move forward.

Er i meant the other way around, shaders and texture units.
 

toyota

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Er i meant the other way around, shaders and texture units.
yeah Titan specs but with 780 clocks is what I have been thinking too.

2496 sp would get the job done too at the right clockspeeds but would not leave much room at all for ocing.
 
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RussianSensation

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On the other hand AMD's latest card - the 290X - needs 8 months to beat Titan with 4,x% in Firestrike extreme*.

Would be hilarious if nVidia is able to beat the 290x much higher in less than one month. D:

Where did you learn math? 4869 vs. 4370 is 11.4% greater. Not that it matters since 3dMark is not a very accurate benchmark for games.

What you are missing is that AMD may be able to deliver Titan-like performance 8 months later but for nearly half the cost. Not only that but R9 290 OC may actually trade blows with 780 OC for sub-$500.

Most consumers do not live in a bubble ignoring prices.
 

tviceman

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Where did you learn math? 4869 vs. 4370 is 11.4% greater. Not that it matters since 3dMark is not a very accurate benchmark for games.

What you are missing is that AMD may be able to deliver Titan-like performance 8 months later but for nearly half the cost. Not only that but R9 290 OC may actually trade blows with 780 OC for sub-$500.

Most consumers do not live in a bubble ignoring prices.

God I hope AMD comes in at $599 for the R290x. Nvidia's prices need to be put in check. If the R290x delivers at sweet spot resolutions (1080p and 1440p), then reference gtx780's need to drop to $549-579. Nvidia has had inflated prices now for a year on their high end; it's time for some adjusting.
 

Majcric

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This still might not happen tho if you remember the HD7970 undercut the GTX 680 by quite a bit and NVidia still didn't budge. But I do agree it would be nice.
 

Teizo

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If 290X is in the hands of reviewers then you best believe nVidia knows what they're up against

He would not have been so coy in the announcement if he wasn't certain it was the fastest GPU available.

And chances are it is another revision of sorts since he made the point of mentioning the power draw, heat, and acoustics of the card (though that was also an intentional dig at the 290X). Increasing the clocks and or volts of the 780 would do away with all of those, unless they are just top tier bins and are available only in limited quantities they've been holding out on.
 
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