Geforce GTX 780 Ti unveiled

[Grooveriding]

I doubt the 780ti will review very well due to the fact it will be a release of performance that already exists in an existing nvidia card and continue the trend of over-priced GK110 cards, so I think the 290X will have much better reviews going for it based on it outperforming 780 as well as Titan at high resolutions, if it is priced to make waves; ie. $600 or less, ideally $549.

 

[chimaxi83]

Did you miss the AMD section on the main site?

Its all over the front page. AMD has bought a section of the Anandtech website where it contains AMD product reviews and AMD direct marketing material such as its videos, twitter feed and other bits and pieces. In essence it appears Anandtech has a very serious pro AMD advertising stance right now.

Ah, I see it now. AMD Portal. Hadn't noticed that before.

 

[tviceman]

2688 sp
224 tmus
48 rops

902 base
941 boost
7000 memory

6gb vram

IMO

I'm saying all 2880 cores, but I like those base and boost speeds you list. I really hope Nvidia goes big and puts 7ghz vram on the card.

 

[blackened23]

I still, do not understand how the nvidia product line is supposed to work with the Titan being slower than a cheaper 780ti. That doesn't make sense, although I suppose it could happen. And before someone says "Titan is a professional card", no it really isn't, it doesn't duplicate Quadro functionality. 3DS max, adobe suite, among others all require specific firmware and drivers which geforce doesn't provide, yet Quadro does. Titan also doesn't provide 10 bit color for photo / video editing with Adobe suite, Quadro does. The only thing Titan can do is CUDA development. Which, oddly enough, is possible on the GTX 780 as well. The Titan absolutely does not substitute for the Quadro line in terms of professional applications, so that argument cannot be used.

So that leaves their product "stack" in a strange place. I can't see how that works. If I had to guess, i'd say the 780ti would be a Titan with just 3GB of VRAM and a much smaller price. That way their product range would maintain some sense of organization. Having a cheaper SKU be more powerful, makes zero sense. Having a cheaper SKU be *as* powerful but with much less VRAM and a much smaller price, could make sense. Although, again, anything can happen.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Titan will be phased out and replaced by a Titan "Ultra". Probably a rebadged K6000, so 2880 SP and 12 GB VRAM. Somehow I don't see Nvidia putting in any effort into making a special SKU with only 6 GB. Probably depends on what is cheaper - the extra work or the 6 GB memory

Titan is so expensive because otherwise no one would buy those Teslas. Titan is cheap for what it can do, already. That it is the fastest gaming card is just a byproduct.

Anyway, the lineup might look like this:
770
780 "i"
780 Ti
Titan Ultra

 

[blackened23]

That could be a possibility, although i'd have a difficult time seeing a consumer level card with 12GB. 6GB made semi sense on Titan because you can make use of that with triple 1600p/4k screens. And anyone with that type of surround setup obviously doesn't care about money so they'll gladly plunk down 1k for a GPU. 12GB? ehhhh. Not so sure if that makes sense in a Geforce. I could see what you're saying with 6GB, though. Should be interesting to see what happens in any case.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

That could be a possibility, although i'd have a difficult time seeing a consumer level card with 12GB. 6GB made semi sense on Titan because you can make use of that with triple 1600p/4k screens. 12GB? ehhhh. Not so sure. Should be interesting to see what happens in any case.

6GB has nothing to do with gaming. It's hugely beneficial for compute, with 12GB being even more so.

I'd love to see a 2880SP part, with 3GB of 7ghz stock memory (that can be overclocked to 8ghz pretty easily). That, along with custom PCBs, would put it a good 10% better than Titan when all is said and done after overclocking.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Yeah, I'd much rather have 6 GB of 7 Gbps memory. 12 GB would be severe overkill. Addressing that many memory chips might introduce an overhead, too. Not to mention a couple of watts for refreshing those additional 12 chips.

 

[blackened23]

6GB has nothing to do with gaming. It's hugely beneficial for compute, with 12GB being even more so.

Again, you won't do much with the Titan outside of CUDA development, which you can do with the 780 as well. I suppose 6GB might be useful but you have to remember that the Titan was marketed as the ultimate gamers card. Not the ultimate professional/compute card - as I mentioned earlier it doesn't come close to replicating Quadro functionality in the "professional" context. As far as CUDA development with 6GB of VRAM, perhaps 6gb is part of it, i'll grant you that - but the other part of it was that Titan was geared toward crazy surround setups. At triple 1600p/4k that can definitely be of use.

Box's theory kinda makes sense. If Titan is replaced with Titan Ultra and a 780ti - then a 780ti doesn't disrupt the product line. That could be the case. What I don't see happening is NV throwing down a 780ti that is faster with a reference cooler than the Titan. That makes absolutely zero sense because it affects the product stack and price points of their entire high end product line. If box's theory is correct, then that problem is eliminated.

So, i'm guessing either box' theory is correct, or the 780ti will be same as Titan with 3GB of VRAM and a lower price. Both of these options don't affect NV's product stack, and their entire product line will still make "sense". What won't make sense, like I said, is to have a cheaper SKU be outright faster (AT STOCK CLOCKS WITH A REF COOLER) than a more expensive one. NV won't do that. I highly doubt it, anyway.

 

[AdamK47]

I'm saying all 2880 cores, but I like those base and boost speeds you list. I really hope Nvidia goes big and puts 7ghz vram on the card.

780 Ti won't have 2880 cores. nVidia made it apparent during the launch of Titan that it will be the top dog until Maxwell is released. That's why it's called Titan. The name is not aligned with their other product designations.

 

[Abwx]

Kind of reminds me of the black knight in Monty Python, "It's just a flesh wound."

YouTube

It could had been and it is worse , according to this graph
the 290X is obviously 4k class while the 780 is not...:biggrin:

 

[96Firebird]

780 Ti won't have 2880 cores. nVidia made it apparent during the launch of Titan that it will be the top dog until Maxwell is released. That's why it's called Titan. The name is not aligned with their other product designations.

Didn't AMD also claim the 7970 would be their top dog into 2014? Things have changed.

 

[AdamK47]

Didn't AMD also claim the 7970 would be their top dog into 2014? Things have changed.

GK110 happened.

 

[toyota]

780 Ti won't have 2880 cores. nVidia made it apparent during the launch of Titan that it will be the top dog until Maxwell is released. That's why it's called Titan. The name is not aligned with their other product designations.

Titan will have been out for 9 months when 780ti launches. 780ti whole purpose is to match or beat the 290x which will already match Titan. it would serve no purpose to have the 780ti be slotted in that minuscule 7% gap between Titan and gtx780. many of the factory oced gtx780 cards already match or beat Titan so a 780ti thats slower would make ZERO sense at this point.

 

[boxleitnerb]

780 Ti won't have 2880 cores. nVidia made it apparent during the launch of Titan that it will be the top dog until Maxwell is released. That's why it's called Titan. The name is not aligned with their other product designations.

Nvidia will have to facelift the Titan, though, since it will have a hard time keeping up with the 290X. They cannot and certainly don't want to lose the performance crown. With the small GTX 680 they didn't care, but with the Titan...especially now that AMD is gaining traction with developers more and more, the green team needs some publicity.

The only thing I don't get is where Maxwell will fit in. According to my info, the first Maxwell cards should succeed the GTX 770. They could perform like a GTX 780 and possibly be named GTX 870 (Ti?). It wouldn't deserve the name 880, since I doubt it would outperform the GTX 780 by a significant enough margin if it is supposed to be the GTX 770 successor.

 

[blackened23]

Titan will have been out for 9 months when 780ti launches. 780ti whole purpose is to match or beat the 290x which will already match Titan. it would serve zero purpose to have the 780ti be slotted in that minuscule 7% gap between Titan and gtx780. many of the factory oced gtx780 cards already match or beat Titan so a 780ti thats slower would make ZERO sense at thie point.

Technically speaking, Titan already wins anyway from what i've read but obviously costs more. Yet the 290X has a decisive lead over the GTX 780 by 11% at 1080, and more at higher resolutions.. Remember, at STOCK CLOCKSPEEDS WITH A REF COOLER NON OVERCLOCKED that the Titan wins 6 maybe 7 out of 10 tests on average (extrapolating various results from leaks). So the 290X "trades blows" with the Titan, but doesn't win outright until overclocking (Titan can be OC'ed too, obviously..). A 780ti will solve this problem in terms of price. If NV releases a 780ti as a Titan with just 3GB less VRAM, they'll have a cheaper HALO GPU which the 290X trades blows with, but the 780ti will technically win more as the Titan does. Overclocking changes all of this, but at reference clocks/reference cooling the point stands.

That's just one of my theories... Box' theory has merit as well. If NV redoes the Titan and releases a 780ti fully enabled, then it doesn't affect the harmony of the product stack. A 780ti fully enabled with 2880 cores and leaving the Titan as-is doesn't make sense. So his theory is also plausible.

Heck, if the 780ti is indeed 2880 cores. Bring it on! Sounds good to me. Especially if it will replace the current 780 at 650$.

 

[Vesku]

I still, do not understand how the nvidia product line is supposed to work with the Titan being slower than a cheaper 780ti. That doesn't make sense, although I suppose it could happen. And before someone says "Titan is a professional card", no it really isn't, it doesn't duplicate Quadro functionality. 3DS max, adobe suite, among others all require specific firmware and drivers which geforce doesn't provide, yet Quadro does. Titan also doesn't provide 10 bit color for photo / video editing with Adobe suite, Quadro does. The only thing Titan can do is CUDA development. Which, oddly enough, is possible on the GTX 780 as well. The Titan absolutely does not substitute for the Quadro line in terms of professional applications, so that argument cannot be used.

So that leaves their product "stack" in a strange place. I can't see how that works. If I had to guess, i'd say the 780ti would be a Titan with just 3GB of VRAM and a much smaller price. That way their product range would maintain some sense of organization. Having a cheaper SKU be more powerful, makes zero sense. Having a cheaper SKU be *as* powerful but with much less VRAM and a much smaller price, could make sense. Although, again, anything can happen.

Timeline seems pretty clear to me:

- AMD and Nvidia duking it out in top GPU with Tahiti vs GK104
- Nvidia finally saves up enough GK110 "not quite Tesla" dies to launch a clearly fastest single GPU SKU. Prices it high due to relatively low quantities and the well founded belief some people would pay "Intel Extreme" amounts for top end Nvidia products. (Leaving DP intact shows imo that Nvidia was cautious in estimating sales volume, DP will attract some CUDA developers to buy in.)
- Yields improve on GK110 and Titan is more successful than even Nvidia thought, so they release the 780 to hook those potential customers who weren't quite ready to shell out $1000 for a GPU.
- With the launch of BF4 imminent, Nvidia gets solid information on how AMD's 290X will perform. Prepares 780 Ti to potentially retain top GPU slot or at the very least be in a situation similar to 7970 vs 680, which worked out fine for Nvidia (go marketing department).

 

[SolMiester]

I'm not sure, but you realize dropping DP won't help performance any?

Yes, but will allow faster clocks.

 

[Teizo]

GK110 happened.

Hawaii happened

 

[SolMiester]

Neck and neck.??..

If more than one card is needed the 290X scaling is 93.5%
for two cards and still 86% for 3 according to AMD s slides
wich are right for dual GPU according to the first leaks.

Okay, I dont read foreign sites and thats the first time Ive seen that one, what are the numbers (no frame #)...and I guess the slide I saw was Titan v 290x...

Who cares about scaling?, the point is no one will use just the one card for 4K.

 

[3DVagabond]

Yes, but will allow faster clocks.

Titan already does that, and I'm not sure it allows faster clocks. I think the reason they run slower clocks with DP @ 1/3 is because those apps that would take advantage of DP will push the GPU harder. They lowered the clocks just to assure stability under those types of loads.

 

[3DVagabond]

Okay, I dont read foreign sites...

Mate, we're in NZ. Of course you read foreign sites.

 

[SolMiester]

Mate, we're in NZ. Of course you read foreign sites.

Ah,,,yeah...LOL

 

[Kenmitch]

Who cares about scaling?, the point is no one will use just the one card for 4K.

Seems like a strange statement to me....Think about it

I figured you meant non English web sites.

 

[VirtualLarry]

this year I have had lots of relatives and even a couple co workers die. I also work a bit in nursing homes so I see people everyday who have hardly time left on this earth and have lots of health issues where they cant do even basic every day activities on their own. I say do what you want as long as you have the money for it and you are not hurting anyone as your time here will up before you know it.

Amen. Toyota for Elite!