Geforce GTX 780 Ti unveiled

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Vesku

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maybe now AMD can release some secret firmware update that enables the "extreme" mode for the 290x :ninja:

or... they are just going to look slower on the reviews.
it was obvious that Nvidia could easily release something GK110 based faster than Titan, and if the 290x was not clearly faster than Titan, it will certainly not going to outperform this card.

290 reviews will most likely be out by BF4 launch at the end of this month, afaik the GTX 780 Ti is arriving in November.
 

toyota

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This is why anyone who wishes to see the downfall of one company or the other just needs to buy a PS4 and be done with it.

NV could have released this card months ago if AMD had put pressure on them.

Can you imagine where we would be if NV, AMD, and TSMC had all been on top of their game in the last 24 months?
cpu limited is where would be. :biggrin:
 

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On the mobile side, Sweeney said that they have messed around with UE 4 on android SOC's and that everyone's hardware is good but everyone except Nvidia has horrible drivers that make it unusable. He said they could only get it running on Tegra. He also said that their studio is using primarily Nvidia hardware and that Epic actually paid for "most" of it themselves. hahah
 
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amenx

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Maybe this is what they waited for? Maybe they have a r290xT sitting on the shelf? Would be funny if so? Would be even funnier if they are currently using gimped drivers for the r290x.
This is what I think too. Like when they came out with the 7970GE. I dont think anyone will be releasing new cards anymore without anticipating what the other will do and then having an answer for it. Pretty soon it may be like a complex chess game with them trying to foresee each others moves and counter-moves several times over.
 

imaheadcase

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To me it seems nvidia is not focused on GPUs at all as of late. They are really pushing other revenue streams more than usual. I think fab problems is focusing them to reshift to other products.
 

Erenhardt

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Funny like for some people the name of the new gpu from nvidia is enough to bury AMD. Yet for the same people pre-released hawaii benchmarks are attempt to manipulate and to blind people.

Twitch records all streams automatically.You can view them when they cut the stream at

http://www.twitch.tv/pcper/profile/pastBroadcasts

Yesterdays event and the first part of today's event are viewable now.

Did nvidia stream their event?
 

bystander36

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Funny like for some people the name of the new gpu from nvidia is enough to bury AMD. Yet for the same people pre-released hawaii benchmarks are attempt to manipulate and to blind people.



Did nvidia stream their event?
I don't know about burying any one, but we do have a fair bit more info on the 780ti than the 290x before launch. The 780ti is going to be based on a chip already in production, the GK110 and based on many past reveals, it should have more cuda cores, or rather, have fewer or none disabled.

We at least have a decent idea of what to expect at least.
 

Vesku

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I don't know about burying any one, but we do have a fair bit more info on the 780ti than the 290x before launch. The 780ti is going to be based on a chip already in production, the GK110 and based on many past reveals, it should have more cuda cores, or rather, have fewer or none disabled.

We at least have a decent idea of what to expect at least.

So they said how many enabled SMX units the 780 Ti will have? What it's theoretical DP Flops will be?
 

Erenhardt

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I don't know about burying any one, but we do have a fair bit more info on the 780ti than the 290x before launch. The 780ti is going to be based on a chip already in production, the GK110 and based on many past reveals, it should have more cuda cores, or rather, have fewer or none disabled.

We at least have a decent idea of what to expect at least.

Where you get this from?
 

OCGuy

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To me it seems nvidia is not focused on GPUs at all as of late. They are really pushing other revenue streams more than usual. I think fab problems is focusing them to reshift to other products.

Huh? This doesn't even make sense.
 

blackened23

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Very interesting. I love the recent interplay between AMD and nvidia. G-sync sounds very interesting, but my main question with respect to the 780ti is how to release that and position it between the 780 and Titan. Seems strange. I mean, it can't be faster than Titan. Can it?

I love this though. The gaming bundles from NV and 780ti are a direct result of the 290X. Despite some of the one sided-ness seen on this forum at times (both sides), I love watching this. The competition is pretty great IMHO. Maybe people on both sides can appreciate that fact, both sides are trying to step up - NV with the gaming bundles and what not. NV has never done a 3 game bundle ever to my recollection.

Anyway maybe some here can appreciate that...I do. I'm sure one sided folks don't, but whatever. I love seeing AMD and NV duke it out in recent weeks as mentioned.
 
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Erenhardt

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Huh? This doesn't even make sense.

To me, it makes sense. Maybe even more sense than:
"There’s not much more I can say at this point, except that I have several cards tested at 3840x2160, and R9 290X doesn’t just do well against the GeForce GTX 780…"

Handhelds, displays, VR? They are looking to the sides
 

bystander36

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Where you get this from?

We already have a 780 that is on the GK110. Would it not make sense that it will also be on the GK110?

They've also been rumoring an uncut Titan Ultra, which is also a GK110 chip from all rumors.

We have a lot of benchmarks on both these cards, so we at least have a jumping point on what to expect from the 780ti. We aren't speculating with nothing comparable.

Will the 780ti take the place of the Titan Ultra, with the news of the 290x? Maybe.
Will it just be an OC'ed 780? Maybe.

We don't have exact figures, but we do have some production chips that are close enough to it to at least have a few ideas.
 

smackababy

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To me, it makes sense. Maybe even more sense than:


Handhelds, displays, VR? They are looking to the sides

What does that have anything to do with that? Your quote implies the performance of the 290x is above cards released 5+ months ago. Nvidia's OLD technology doesn't compete with AMDs new flagship. How does that show NV is not looking at GPUs? They don't release a new card every 4 months?
 

Carfax83

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Seems strange. I mean, it can't be faster than Titan. Can it?

Why not? I don't think Titan was ever really geared towards gaming. Most of the people that bought it were people that wanted the advanced CUDA and OpenCL capabilities for professional and semi professional work, since it's much cheaper than the Quadro and Tesla models.

The 780 series is geared 100% towards gaming on the other hand.
 

blackened23

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I disagree. I think the Titan is a gamers card because it doesn't duplicate Quadro or Tesla functionality - keep in mind that most professional 3d applications require specific software drivers and firmware to be used, and on that note the GTX Titan does not support 10 bit color in adobe suite so it isn't all that useful for photo or video editing. This is also true of 3DS max and other software suites. They require specific software drivers and firmware for full functionality, generally speaking, which geforce does not provide. Quadro and Firepro do. That's why they cost more - the firmware, drivers, and support. There's a whole other level of support that comes with Quadro cards which a Geforce doesn't get.

The Titan is a gamers card for extreme surround gamers. 6GB of VRAM. That's how nvidia marketed it. It was the "ultimate gaming card". You can look at their launch slides and what not and they marketed it as a gamers card, not as a professional card. Again - Titan DOES NOT duplicate quadro functionality nor does it come anywhere close. That's the key point here. In order for Titan to be taken seriously in the professional context, it has to offer more than CUDA. And it doesn't offer what Quadro or Tesla do in that respect nor is it in the same stratosphere.

That said, it is useful for CUDA development. It is not gimped in that respect, so it will be useful for someone in that context. But in other contexts the Titan definitely does not replicate Quadro or Tesla.
 
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Erenhardt

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I don't know about burying any one, but we do have a fair bit more info on the 780ti than the 290x before launch. The 780ti is going to be based on a chip already in production, the GK110 and based on many past reveals, it should have more cuda cores, or rather, have fewer or none disabled.

We at least have a decent idea of what to expect at least.

We already have a 780 that is on the GK110. Would it not make sense that it will also be on the GK110?
So, all we KNOW is the name. That is a lot of info.

They've also been rumoring an uncut Titan Ultra, which is also a GK110 chip from all rumors.

We have a lot of benchmarks on both these cards, so we at least have a jumping point on what to expect from the 780ti. We aren't speculating with nothing comparable.
Didn't see any benchmarks of uncut gk110

Will the 780ti take the place of the Titan Ultra, with the news of the 290x? Maybe.
Will it just be an OC'ed 780? Maybe.
So... what do we know? Name only?
We don't have exact figures, but we do have some production chips that are close enough to it to at least have a few ideas.
It doesn't have to be gk110, does it?
 

bystander36

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I disagree. I think the Titan is a gamers card because it doesn't duplicate Quadro or Tesla functionality - keep in mind that most professional 3d applications require specific software drivers and firmware to be used, and on that note the GTX Titan does not support 10 bit color in adobe suite so it isn't all that useful for photo or video editing. This is also true of 3DS max and other software suites. They require specific software drivers and firmware for full functionality, generally speaking, which geforce does not provide. Quadro and Firepro do. That's why they cost more - the firmware, drivers, and support. There's a whole other level of support that comes with Quadro cards which a Geforce doesn't get.

The Titan is a gamers card for extreme surround gamers. 6GB of VRAM. That's how nvidia marketed it. You can look at their launch slides and what not and they marketed it as a gamers card, not as a professional card. Again - Titan DOES NOT duplicate quadro functionality nor does it come anywhere close.

That said, it is useful for CUDA development. It is not gimped in that respect, so it will be useful for someone in that context. But in other contexts the Titan definitely does not replicate Quadro or Tesla.

I view Titan as a card that allowed a few gamers to buy a card ahead of its time. I do not believe Titan has much of a place right now. I do not believe Nvidia will slow up the 780ti just so the Titan remains the fastest of their cards, when they have to compete with the 290x now.
 

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To me, it makes sense. Maybe even more sense than:


Handhelds, displays, VR? They are looking to the sides

Hm, so a company which has the fastest and second fastest card on the market is "not focused on GPUs at all as of late" but another company which needs 8 months to bring the same performance to the market is more focused?

And then there is the GTX780Ti. Less than a month after the 290X - even before the "we're still working on Mantle and cant say anything about" Mantle-Patch in BF4.

nVidia looks like a company which has to much free time and invest in things like Shadowplay, G-Sync and better SLI support.

I view Titan as a card that allowed a few gamers to buy a card ahead of its time. I do not believe Titan has much of a place right now. I do not believe Nvidia will slow up the 780ti just so the Titan remains the fastest of their cards, when they have to compete with the 290x now.

780i will be faster than Titan. Titan is 8 months old. So there is enough space between the launch and november.
 

blackened23

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I view Titan as a card that allowed a few gamers to buy a card ahead of its time. I do not believe Titan has much of a place right now. I do not believe Nvidia will slow up the 780ti just so the Titan remains the fastest of their cards, when they have to compete with the 290x now.

I agree, Titan was a gamers card but for a very specific niche. Everyone seems to forget that Titan has 6GB of VRAM. This is a card that is suited for those running triple 4k screens or triple 1600p screens. Hence the price. Although, it is good for CUDA development. But it isn't nearly as good as Quadro for other professional applications in which Quadro is generally purchased for.

Anyway, It was the "ultimate" gamers surround card. I don't know where the 780ti falls in, but it'll be interesting to watch. I love the competition. If anything, i'm glad the 290X was released around this time to see all the awesome new stuff NV has put out. Gaming bundles, G-sync, etc. Pretty fun to watch.
 

bystander36

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So, all we KNOW is the name. That is a lot of info.


Didn't see any benchmarks of uncut gk110


So... what do we know? Name only?

It doesn't have to be gk110, does it?

TI chips in the recent past have been souped up versions of their base cards name. Why are you expecting it to be different?

We don't have exact figures, and I'm not claiming this, but we do have some cards based on the same exact architecture that can be used as a reference point, something we didn't have with the 290x. This is why people are a little more certain that the 780ti should beat out the 290x, since the 780 is within 10% of the 290x now.

Of course we don't know exact figures. No one is saying otherwise. We just have a fair bit of confidence based on existing cards and timing.
 
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toyota

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Why not? I don't think Titan was ever really geared towards gaming. Most of the people that bought it were people that wanted the advanced CUDA and OpenCL capabilities for professional and semi professional work, since it's much cheaper than the Quadro and Tesla models.

The 780 series is geared 100% towards gaming on the other hand.
lol what? I bet you could take a poll and 90% of people bought it for gaming as main purpose and probably the only purpose.
 

Erenhardt

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TI chips in the recent past have been souped up versions of their base cards name. Why are you expecting it to be different?
GTX660Ti - gk104
GTX660 - gk106
How do we know if 780Ti uses gk110? It is 30% bigger die, that is expensive!

We don't have exact figures, and I'm not claiming this, but we do have some cards based on the same exact architecture that can be used as a reference point, something we didn't have with the 290x. This is why people are a little more certain that the 780ti should beat out the 290x, since the 780 is within 20% of the 290x now.
FTFY
 
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