Geforce GTX 780 Ti unveiled

[tviceman]

lol what? I bet you could take a poll and 90% of people bought it for gaming as main purpose and probably the only purpose.

And Nvidia is happy for their patronage. If the gtx780ti does not outperform Titan in gaming, then it is a failure.

 

[Cloudfire777]

I feel a little bad for AMD actually.

Nvidia basically bombed AMDs launch of R9 290X with this card.
The worst part is that they didn`t reveal a single technical bit about it, just saying

""the best GPU that's ever been built""

That way they leave us wondering how powerful it really is and put a damper on the interest and sale of the R9 290X. If they revealed the specs, we could have figured out where it would be performance wise.

Now 290X reviews will be like "290X is a really powerful card, beating GTX 780 by a great margin, but watch out for GTX 780 TI".

Smart move by Nvidia, but pretty sneaky :sneaky:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

""the best GPU that's ever been built""

Pretty sure (paraphrasing) it was more like "The best GPU we've ever built".

 

[Vesku]

After:

"Wait for Fermi"
"Wait for Kepler"

Who is really thinking, as in with the rational part of their brain, Nvidia has something special compared to 290X in the form of the 780 Ti?

 

[bystander36]

GTX660Ti - gk104
GTX660 - gk106
How do we know if 780Ti uses gk110? It is 30% bigger die, that is expensive!


FTFY

You really expect the GTX 780 Ti to be slower than the GTX 780? Especially when Nvidia is competing against AMD's new cards?

We don't know exactly the difference, but the benchmarks I've seen have it closer than 20%

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2347974

That is an 11% difference.

This is similar: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-radeon-r9-290x-benchmark-performance,24732.html

 

[Cloudfire777]

Pretty sure (paraphrasing) it was more like "The best GPU we've ever built".

No they actually said the best GPU ever built.
Anandtech wrote it down word for word inside " ". lol
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7432/nvidia-montreal-event-live-blog

It is very obvious that it is there to beat/compete against R9 290X with a price that makes it interesting. ie not Titan price

 

[toyota]

After:

"Wait for Fermi"
"Wait for Kepler"

Who is really thinking, as in with the rational part of their brain, Nvidia has something special compared to 290X in the form of the 780 Ti?

what does that have to do with anything? Fermi was crap at launch but we knew for a while that it was going to be so. Kepler took a mid range gpu and matched the best AMD next gen card. of course pros and cons to that too. the whole point of the 780 ti is to match or beat the 290x and Nvidia has plenty of room with gk110 to do that.

 

[sontin]

After:

"Wait for Fermi"
"Wait for Kepler"

Who is really thinking, as in with the rational part of their brain, Nvidia has something special compared to 290X in the form of the 780 Ti?

Hm, both were faster than the competition cards. :sneaky:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

No they actually said the best GPU ever built.
Anandtech wrote it down word for word inside " ". lol
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7432/nvidia-montreal-event-live-blog

It is very obvious that it is there to beat/compete against R9 290X with a price that makes it interesting. ie not Titan price

Oh Nvidia said that, I thought you were talking about what AMD said :thumbsup:

 

[Erenhardt]

You really expect the GTX 780 Ti to be slower than the GTX 780? Especially when Nvidia is competing against AMD's new cards?

Where I said it will be slower than 780?

We don't know exactly the difference, but the benchmarks I've seen have it closer than 20%

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2347974

That is an 11% difference.

the 780 is within 10% of the 290x now.

How 11% is within 10% is beyond my comprehension.
Here is wider set of games:
http://videocardz.com/46929/official-amd-radeon-r9-290x-2160p-performance-17-games
23.8% average

 

[Vesku]

what does that have to do with anything? Fermi was crap at launch but we knew for a while that it was going to be so. Kepler took a mid range gpu and matched the best AMD next gen card. of course pros and cons to that too. the whole point of the 780 ti is to match or beat the 290x and Nvidia has plenty of room with gk110 to do that.

Because it's now a trend that when Nvidia says "wait" they release something that is not a segment above compared to the AMD product people were considering at the time.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Here is wider set of games:
http://videocardz.com/46929/official-amd-radeon-r9-290x-2160p-performance-17-games
23.8% average

1. AMD cherrypicked
2. 4K, thus not really "common", not even among enthusiasts

 

[bystander36]

Where I said it will be slower than 780?




How 11% is within 10% is beyond my comprehension.
Here is wider set of games:
http://videocardz.com/46929/official-amd-radeon-r9-290x-2160p-performance-17-games
23.8% average

1% difference, big woop.

Your benchmarks are all 4k. It might matter to some, but it would be more interesting to see on a more typical gaming resolution, like 5760x1080, 1080p or even 1440p. You'll likely see the 5760x1080p and 1080p results much closer, and the 1440p somewhere in between.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

lol @ nitpicking 1%...

11% @ 1080p

23% @ 4k

Probably end up closer to 16% at resolutions that matter.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Who is actually spending$650 on gpus? I mean they must be selling otherwise they'd have lowered the price by now. It's just mind boggling there is a market for them.

 

[Kenmitch]

lol @ nitpicking 1%...

11% @ 1080p

23% @ 4k

Probably end up closer to 16% at resolutions that matter.

In quiet mode?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

In quiet mode?

According to the 4k link "Uber-Mode" so no, probably loud mode.

 

[Cloudfire777]

According to the 4k link "Uber-Mode" so no, probably loud mode.

You forgot hotter-than-sun-mode
That measurement kinda makes sense now.

 

[Grooveriding]

If the Titan was solid against 290X I don't think they'd even be bothering with this card.

If the 290X smokes Titan at 4K, it's going to be faster at 1600P as well. These high resolutions/multi-monitor are probably more relevant than 1080p for these cards.

My guess is Titan is slower than 290X at high resolutions, whether 1600p or higher, and they are dropping out a 780ti, some sort of overclocked Titan with less VRAM. There may also be something to it being a full GK110 with all 15 SMX because I doubt they want to crank clocks much higher than 780 because power consumption and temperatures start to fly up.

At the same clocks Titan has under 10% over a 780. I think they'll need all those SMXes active to give an appreciable boost over Titan without going insane on the clockspeeds. Unless the plan is to drop a card that is 10% faster than the 780.

I still think 290X will probably take multi-monitor benchmarks and see near parity at 2560x1600. Battlefield 4 is probably going to go AMD no matter what card nvidia releases. If AMD was smart they'd push that Mantle update to BF4 out in time to precede the launch of the 780ti so it's shown in 780ti reviews.

 

[OCGuy]

Who is actually spending$650 on gpus? I mean they must be selling otherwise they'd have lowered the price by now. It's just mind boggling there is a market for them.

It is a very niche market, but the margins are high, and help recoup the R&D money that is required so that everyone else can buy mid/low end cards.

If you look at the Steam survey, the first 8 of the top 10 dGPUs are all low/mid tier Nvidia cards, with the highest market share going to the 560ti @ 2.4%.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

These high resolutions/multi-monitor are probably more relevant than 1080p for these cards.

1080p is far more mainstream, and I see a lot of high powered rigs and multi-gpu configs (mine included) run on 1080p screens.

1600p is trivial compared to 1080p, and vastly more represented than basically non existent 4k.

Titan isn't their gaming card, the reason they'll replace the 780/Titan is because 1k for gaming is a joke. A 780 Ti with more performance than Titan much like the 780 will look like a gift horse compared to the woefully priced Titan when it comes to gaming.

 

[bystander36]

If the Titan was solid against 290X I don't think they'd even be bothering with this card.

If the 290X smokes Titan at 4K, it's going to be faster at 1600P as well. These high resolutions/multi-monitor are probably more relevant than 1080p for these cards.

My guess is Titan is slower than 290X at high resolutions, whether 1600p or higher, and they are dropping out a 780ti, some sort of overclocked Titan with less VRAM. There may also be something to it being a full GK110 with all 15 SMX because I doubt they want to crank clocks much higher than 780 because power consumption and temperatures start to fly up.

At the same clocks Titan has under 10% over a 780. I think they'll need all those SMXes active to give an appreciable boost over Titan without going insane on the clockspeeds. Unless the plan is to drop a card that is 10% faster than the 780.

I still think 290X will probably take multi-monitor benchmarks and see near parity at 2560x1600. Battlefield 4 is probably going to go AMD no matter what card nvidia releases. If AMD was smart they'd push that Mantle update to BF4 out in time to precede the launch of the 780ti so it's shown in 780ti reviews.

I have noticed that in most benchmarks, Nvidia does not do well with large single resolutions, but do great with smaller resolutions, and groups of small resolutions.

So 4k, 1600p and 1440p are in AMD's favor, but 1080p and 5760x1080 perform well on Nvidia. I am not sure the reasons, but that seems to be the trend.

 

[amenx]

Who is actually spending$650 on gpus? I mean they must be selling otherwise they'd have lowered the price by now. It's just mind boggling there is a market for them.

The 8800gtx held that price for a long time, lots were sold.

Re the Titan, I dont think it will be around much longer. It will probably be phased out once the 780ti arrives.

 

[Grooveriding]

1080p is about as represented as mid range cards are.

$650 GPUs see as much representation as 1600p and triple monitor setups do no doubt.

 

[Erenhardt]

lol @ nitpicking 1%...

It is simple math. It can be true or false and nothing in-between.
LOL @ 1080p. Highend card powering mainstream resolution.