GeForce RTX 2060/2070/2080 Super Reviews

[Thala]

In my opinion, I don't think we'd have one on the die without the other. Nvidia is trying to lump sum the value of these features in consumer space so they don't have to make a different kind of die for professional products.

This might very well be the case. Still my statement holds, RT-cores take about 3% of die space.
Or corollary : if Nividia would have decided to go with Tensor-cores but not with RT-cores, the die size saving would be 3%.

Overall, the higher price of RTX cards can not remotely be explained by the die size adder due to RT-cores - that would be less than 3$ per card - thats noise.

 

[maddie]

Embrace the milking.

But, but, I'm a male.

 

[railven]

But, but, I'm a male.

 

[ElFenix]

Why are we complaining about the word Super? Who cares...?

welcome to the internet!

 

[mohit9206]

So many people forgot that even at 1080p BF5 with rat tracing on with Ultra textures saturated a 6gb and there was even performance issues that got resolved with the lowering of texture quality. Of course the answer for everyone was to drop textures and well the debate got pretty much out of hand with some people claiming entitlement.

I was on the side of asking why couldn't a 1070ti performance tier of card have at least the very same vram. I guess the others who agreed ended up being called entitled. I think it was kind of crazy to have to drop textures on a brand new card for a 1080p resolution.

Yea ofcourse 2060 should have had 8gb no doubt. Anyone defending that is wrong. Similarly i feel 2080 should have had more than 8gb as well.

 

[mohit9206]

Watching the first few minutes really puts things into perspective. Flagships used to cost $500 or less but Nvidia and AMD together raised the prices gradually to where its $1200 now for a cut down part. Really good stuff.

 

[BigDaveX]

Yea ofcourse 2060 should have had 8gb no doubt. Anyone defending that is wrong. Similarly i feel 2080 should have had more than 8gb as well.

Bearing in mind how expensive these cards already are, I dread to think how much more expensive a card with 16GB of GDDR6 would be, considering that the only card around with GDDR6 modules that have that kind of density is the ludicrously expensive Titan RTX.

 

[mopardude87]

Yea ofcourse 2060 should have had 8gb no doubt. Anyone defending that is wrong. Similarly i feel 2080 should have had more than 8gb as well.

I still rather recommend refurbished 1070ti and 1080ti cards over the 2060/2070 and 2080 unless you just have to have RT. As much as i love my 1070ti and would love to have a 2080ti well the rest of the entire line up has absolute no appeal to me. If you want to skip all the madness of the 2060 series just grab a refurbished 1070ti and be done with it.

https://store.zotac.com/zotac-geforcer-gtx-1070-ti-mini-zt-p10710g-10p-1451 Refurbished mini 1070ti for $269. I bet someone else can find them cheaper but i have had Zotacs refurbished page bookmarked for a bit now. Sometimes they got their $439 1080ti on there and i nearly jumped on one this month till i came across a $160 deal on a 28'' Samsung 4k monitor and well its gonna be another month before i got allocated funds for the 1080ti. Part of me may just skip upgrading till next generation idk yet.

$429 for a blower 1080ti well this one is new on their page


https://store.zotac.com/zotac-geforcer-gtx-1080-ti-blower-refurbished-zt-p10810b-10p-r There is it. Use the savings over a 2080 and idk upgrade to Ryzen 3000 series with it?

 

[Shmee]

I would be wary of buying a refurbished blower 1080Ti, those cards like good cooling for better boost. Now with a good dual or triple fan cooler, which zotac also offers, that is a different story.

 

[BFG10K]

No 6gb wasn't proven to be a problem at all.

Yes it was: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/h-bf5-raytracing-vram-easily-exceeds-6gb.2559712/

There's video proof inside that thread as well.

 

[mopardude87]

I would be wary of buying a refurbished blower 1080Ti, those cards like good cooling for better boost. Now with a good dual or triple fan cooler, which zotac also offers, that is a different story.

I would put my Artic cooler i currently got on my 1070ti on there. My current 1070ti is a Zotac so as far as reliability i got some trust in Zotac. My buddy still has a 660 dual fan that stills works like new from Zotac. I had more issues with a MSI 1050ti then i ever even considered having with a Zotac. Had some major issues with the surfacing of the 1050ti which caused some major spacing between the die and heatsink and caused immediate overheating. Had to remove some of these ring deals on the pcb that spaced the cooler from the die and well that fixed that. Only issue i suffered from Zotac was a lack of recognition as a decent brand.

Yeah for anyone else spend the extra $10 on the dual fan solution they offer occasionally. One could argue you could buy a Artic, buy this blower and still save a decent bundle over a 2080 still while having a very solid cooling solution. I swear by this Artic cooler its a beautiful thing with a pair of 120mm fans on it. I had my fun with blower 570/660/670 cards and would not rush to get another one again.

 

[mopardude87]

Well i have been eyeballing the 2070 super review numbers and honestly it looks to be perhaps the card to replace the 1070ti with. Part of me wants to wait but i have not heard even a hint of a rumor of a next gen series nvidia card yet. I could be waiting quite some time to upgrade the 1070ti. Given i want a 4k boost sometime soon, its a used 1080ti vs a new 2070 super for something with a considerable price. If i upgrade its most likely October.its the soonest i could afford a $550 or so upgrade.


https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-foc...x-650w/p/N82E16817151186?Item=N82E16817151186 I did pick up this beauty just now for $93 shipped,not powering any upgrade with a CX750 lol. So i am officially ready for any upgrade.

 

[Qwertilot]

They won't have done this if there wasn't a fair while until the next generation. This is probably 'conceptually' a midcycle refresh on a 2 year lifecycle, except that the first few months got a bit lost using up their post mining backlog.

We'll presumably see a big data center focused card first, then its smaller consumer siblings eventually following.

 

[Ranulf]

Yes it was: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/h-bf5-raytracing-vram-easily-exceeds-6gb.2559712/

There's video proof inside that thread as well.

I enjoyed the point you quoted being made that you could just drop the settings down to console level and "you're unlikely to notice much, especially when you immerse yourself into the Gameplay and Story." Yeah, I sure am glad I bought a $350 rtx 2060 to run the game at console levels, especially when a PS4 Pro is $350-400 itself.

 

[mohit9206]

Well i have been eyeballing the 2070 super review numbers and honestly it looks to be perhaps the card to replace the 1070ti with. Part of me wants to wait but i have not heard even a hint of a rumor of a next gen series nvidia card yet. I could be waiting quite some time to upgrade the 1070ti. Given i want a 4k boost sometime soon, its a used 1080ti vs a new 2070 super for something with a considerable price. If i upgrade its most likely October.its the soonest i could afford a $550 or so upgrade.


https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-foc...x-650w/p/N82E16817151186?Item=N82E16817151186 I did pick up this beauty just now for $93 shipped,not powering any upgrade with a CX750 lol. So i am officially ready for any upgrade.

Are video cards like girlfriends that you gotta change every year? Why not buy one and stick with it for a few years atleast?
Also this video is for you.

 

[maddie]

Are video cards like girlfriends that you gotta change every year? Why not buy one and stick with it for a few years atleast?

Because the older ones can't keep up. Cards of course.

 

[mopardude87]

Are video cards like girlfriends that you gotta change every year? Why not buy one and stick with it for a few years atleast?

Not gonna be able to stick to it now even if i wanted to, not to long after my last post i hopped off to play me some BF4 and not to long into my match my entire went screen crazy with artifacts and poof went the display. Given i got it second hand from friend and its a Zotac with a Artic cooler on it, i would be amazed if this guy is under warranty. Luckily i got it very cheap and on payments so i guess its not the end of the world.

Geez talk about omens, got a pretty decent rocker of a earthquake in the middle of posting this. Yikes i think i am hopping off here for a little bit ha. I guess it wasn't just decent,it was the biggest since the Northridge one in 1994. That one scared me when it woke me up and i was only 7 at the time. I just froze for this one lol. I rather deal with this then well the tornadoes that could have hit me in Arkansas.

 

[swilli89]

-This is huge. One of the most frustrating knock on effects of high Turing pricing was the inflated pricing of used parts thanks to the lack of $/perf improvement.

"Patient gamer's" such as myself were used to getting the prior gen's top end performance for half the price, but that didn't happen this time around. The 2070S makes the $500 after market 1080ti obsolete overnight, and used 1080ti prices should start migrating down to the mid $300 range where they should have been a long time ago.

The folks who really got screwed here are the guys that just bought a 2080 new or a 1080ti used and it just passed the return period.

Real MVPS are the guys who bought 1080Ti over two years ago for $699. They STILL have $500 performance. A video card that depreciates only about 25% in two years is amazing.

 

[Thala]

Real MVPS are the guys who bought 1080Ti over two years ago for $699. They STILL have $500 performance. A video card that depreciates only about 25% in two years is amazing.

Putting things into perspective, its closer to 30% reduction in costs (70% of $699 = $489) - in addition the whole range did not move faster than this over the last three years - which in case of Nvidia is a direct result of the fact, that the GPUs from today and 3 years ago are using almost the same manufacturing technology. So the performance gain is largely attributed to die size increase.

 

[Furious_Styles]

Real MVPS are the guys who bought 1080Ti over two years ago for $699. They STILL have $500 performance. A video card that depreciates only about 25% in two years is amazing.

Totally agree and luckily I was one of 'em. I really appreciated how great of a card they were especially with the overpriced 20 series.

 

[Mopetar]

Real MVPS are the guys who bought 1080Ti over two years ago for $699. They STILL have $500 performance. A video card that depreciates only about 25% in two years is amazing.

If it were in the course of a regular market I'd agree, but a big part of this reason is that NVidia just hasn't had any competition at the high-end and no incentive to offer better value.

 

[mopardude87]

Totally agree and luckily I was one of 'em. I really appreciated how great of a card they were especially with the overpriced 20 series.

Such a great card i may even consider a refurbished one over a new 2070 Super. Got time before i purchase something so i will see how the 2080 Super handles things.

 

[swilli89]

If it were in the course of a regular market I'd agree, but a big part of this reason is that NVidia just hasn't had any competition at the high-end and no incentive to offer better value.

Not just that.. but NVIDIA's decision to dedicate a large amount of die area to RTX stuff that in reality doesn't affect anything.

NVIDIA could have refined Pascal and released a Turing that improved on actual gaming metrics, but decided to make RTX a thing. Because of that the 1080 Ti stood as an excellent value since it uses a chip focused on 3d rendering without costly " ray tracing".

 

[crisium]

Not just that.. but NVIDIA's decision to dedicate a large amount of die area to RTX stuff that in reality doesn't affect anything.

NVIDIA could have refined Pascal and released a Turing that improved on actual gaming metrics, but decided to make RTX a thing. Because of that the 1080 Ti stood as an excellent value since it uses a chip focused on 3d rendering without costly " ray tracing".

Hmm, this got me thinking. Turing is... actually a dud in performance-per-mm2? Forget RTX, look at the chips without raytracing.

GTX 1650 and GTX 1060 are the same size, 200mm2 each. And 1650 is 4.7 bln transistors for 4.4 bln on 1060.

But the 1060 is 25-30% faster.

I know 12nm isn't a real die shrink, but wtf? Tweaked node, same size, 7% more transistors, and 20%+ slower? (and this is without tensor/rtx)

I've been AFK from here for a while so I am sure it's been discussed. But it looks like Turing even without tensor/RTX cores increased performance-per-TFLOP and performance-per-watt at the expense of performance-per-mm2 size. And not a minor expense, a very large performance-per-mm2 penalty (and transistor penalty) compared to 16nm Pascal. Maybe the cost of 12nm is cheap enough to make it worth it tho.

 

[Bouowmx]

Hmm, this got me thinking. Turing is... actually a dud in performance-per-mm2?

Turing gains independent full-rate INT32, and independent double-rate FP16. From what SM diagrams show, FP16 appears to be separate from FP32, instead of "Rapid packed math" 2xFP16 processed in one FP32. Turing SM is also half the size of Pascal's (64 vs 128), so for the same number of cores, the number of SMs and its accompanying control structures are doubled. You can see that from, for example, the register file size: 256 KB/SM in Pascal and Turing, but total 7.5 MiB in GP102 and 18 MiB in TU102.

Lots of extra hardware, but gaming is just FP32.