GeforceFX 5800Ultra NOT CANCELLED. Proof inside.

[daywalker]

Today i sent two emails, 1 to Nvidia's support group and 1 to Brian Burke, Nvidia's Desktop PR Manager. The reply that i got from the support group was the following:

" Thank you for your email. Over this past weekend, there have been a number of rumors on the web in reference to the status of NVIDIA GeForce FX GPUs. NVIDIA does not generally comment on rumors or speculation. In regards to the GeforceFX 5800 Ultra, like every new product from NVIDIA, the demand is far greater than the limited supply we will have. NVIDIA's GeForce FX Ultra 5800 and the GeForce FX 5800 are still targeted to be in retail in late Feburary. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact our public relations group who would be glad to answer any other product information questions you have regarding the GeforceFX. Their contact information is available from:

http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=press_room

You can view and update this request by clicking on this link: http://support.nvidia.com/apps/support/myRequests/index.asp?RequestKey={3F3CB57B-0647-4628-AE19-C0FFEFAA7C4D}

Thank you,
NVIDIA Support Team "


Then the reply of Mr. Brian Burke, was the following:


" Our statement is the same one you got from our support group. We do not make official announcements in response to rumors.
Thanks for the continued support.

Brian Burke
NVIDIA Corp. "

So something tells me that the rumours of the GeforceFX 5800Ultra being cancelled are FALSE and pure speculation. Its just seems that in the beggining, the GeforceFX Ultra will ship in low numbers. As it was expected that is.

I will never trust HardOCP on anything ever again.

 

[sash1]

Originally posted by: daywalker
I will never trust HardOCP on anything ever again.

Ditto.

Glad to hear nVidia will still release these cards!

 

[zsouthboy]

Perhaps we should take a wait-and-see approach before we decide not to believe anything Hardocp says again.

 

[Peridium]

I believe that they said that the 5800 Ultra cards willl be available to those who pre-ordered the cards as they have very limited supplies. So there will be very few Ultra cards that will reach retail shelves.

 

[daywalker]

Originally posted by: zsouthboy
Perhaps we should take a wait-and-see approach before we decide not to believe anything Hardocp says again.

The site already has a bad enough reputation itself as it is...

...so ill stick with what Nvidia emailed me

 

[galperi1]

Maybe you should consider your source of the information you have. The head of PR.....

Didn't he also say that the FX would be the greatest contribution to 3d EVER?? If so, why is it 6 months late and barely able to keep pace with a 9700Pro that is about to get refreshed

 

[Deeko]

They better hope it isn't canceled.

 

[daywalker]

Originally posted by: galperi1
Maybe you should consider your source of the information you have. The head of PR.....

Didn't he also say that the FX would be the greatest contribution to 3d EVER?? If so, why is it 6 months late and barely able to keep pace with a 9700Pro that is about to get refreshed

I believe that its a matter of incomplete drivers. At the GeforceFX preview at ExtremeTech, " its performance was not as stable as it should have been. For instance, its polygon rate was substantially higher than the R300, but its vertex shader performance was lower. That is probably a sign of incomplete drivers. "

These are the estimations of a friend of mine who is a programmer. And i believe he has a point

 

[galperi1]

man, this card has been getting pimped since the days of the first 9700 Pro reviews... if they don't have the drivers complete... then wtf have they been doing for the last 4 months?? Paying monkeys to write drivers?

 

[dfloyd]

Na they hired some people from Atis driver dept

But the good thing is it does leave alot of room for improvement. Many may step back when actual hardware hits and be quite pleasently suprised. They may not be, but untill its out lets wait and see.

 

[Killrose]

I think Brian Burke is smoking the crack pipe now!!, LOL. They are just covering their asses for all that pre-ordered the ULTRA cards. Last thing they want is BFG and others to loose all the pre-sale money, which is not theirs till they deliver the goods!, This would Crush a start-up company like BFG, and could even lead to lawsuits against Nvidia.

If the 5800 Ultra is trully going to come to market, I think you will see a street price of $425-$450 more than likely. The ram, the cooling solution and the hand assembly time is just too expensive for a profitable card even at $399 , IMHO.

I think HardOCP is fairly carefull when it comes to rumors and speculation, they may post the info, but usually disclaimer the iffy stuff.

 

[Rand]

Interesting, now I'm not sure what to think.

HardOCP claims it's canceled besides Pre-Order, but cannot offer definitive proof.
PowerColour has canceled their FX Ultra.
We have reports that BFG is only producing enough for Pre-Orders, but again no definitive evidence.

Now nVidia is claiming the Ultra will indeed hit Retail.


It seems we may have to wait and see what happens, personally I suspect pre-orders will be filled and a VERY small number of Ultra's will hit the shelves in Retail but it'll never appear in volume.

 

[Vrangel]

Rand got it right.

I guess ppl who put their trust in PR statements would also
believe everything car salesman says is true.

 

[daywalker]

Originally posted by: Vrangel
Rand got it right.

I guess ppl who put their trust in PR statements would also
believe everything car salesman says is true.

So we should put our faith in tech sites that let rumours run wild instead?

Riiigght....

 

[Mockmaw]

We're not putting our faith in HardOCP like it's gospel. They made a statement that seems to fit with other recent events surrounding the FX Ultra. You have to admit that you'll get a slightly biased answer coming from the PR department.. it is their job, afterall, to take care of these kinds of situations. HardOCP may be wrong, yes, but I'm not ready to jump out and say "I will never trust HardOCP on anything ever again" until I know, for a fact, that what they stated was false.

 

[Killrose]

GFFX Ultra or not, once R350 hits the streets, who will really care? The talk of the town will be R350. The FX Ultra will be slugging it out with the R300, both of them in a see-saw battle below the R350 benchmarks.

 

[daywalker]

Originally posted by: Killrose
GFFX Ultra or not, once R350 hits the streets, who will really care? The talk of the town will be R350. The FX Ultra will be slugging it out with the R300, both of them in a see-saw battle below the R350 benchmarks.

The GFFX Ultra had unoptimized drivers during all the previews. I wouldnt be surprised if we see a performance boost when it hits retail stores.

 

[Killrose]

Originally posted by: daywalker

Originally posted by: Killrose
GFFX Ultra or not, once R350 hits the streets, who will really care? The talk of the town will be R350. The FX Ultra will be slugging it out with the R300, both of them in a see-saw battle below the R350 benchmarks.

The GFFX Ultra had unoptimized drivers during all the previews. I wouldnt be surprised if we see a performance boost when it hits retail stores.

I would most definately agree. The new Cat 3.1's are no slouche either and would probably be able to make up for some new losses, but I wonder just how long has Nvidia had a working sample to optomise drivers? I'm sure it's been more than two months. I'm beginning to wonder if the FX might not be broken in hardware without driver work-arounds? This card has just taken too long, and I fear something is amiss.

 

[Bopple]

There's not a bit of truth in it being cancelled at all. It's not cancelled. - though it may be released in small quantities, this was very much the plan.

It's coming in small quantities, yes, though we cannot comment on Nvidias roadmap - I assure you there will be some cards sifting through a certain retail channel, and at least Voodoo and two others will get allocation with a modified fan...

From VoodooPC - high-end pc builder.



It seems 5800 ultra not cancelled totally, but only nearly cancelled with supplying very small amount.
This makes sense, for even nVIDIA wouldn't dare to declare 'It's canned" officially.

But then again, it's extremely annoying. After all that hype and blah-blah-blah, they're saying it was planned from the very beginning.
This is f* gay.

 

[Bopple]

And one more f* PR bs.

the demand is far greater than the limited supply we will have.

 

[Richdog]

True, if Nvidia canned it completely it'd be like saying "We just wasted a lot of time and effort on a bag of sh*te" Looks like it's back to the drawing board Nvidia...

 

[BFG10K]

It was nice of nVidia to answer so quickly (especially Brian Burke) but their replies don't really prove or disprove anything.

In regards to the GeforceFX 5800 Ultra, like every new product from NVIDIA, the demand is far greater than the limited supply we will have. NVIDIA's GeForce FX Ultra 5800 and the GeForce FX 5800 are still targeted to be in retail in late Feburary.

The initial rumour was that only 100,000 units would be made and then the card would be cancelled. This statement neither proves nor disproves that rumour.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Just a comment on this.

Why would they kill the Ultra? If they do they have nothing to compete with. It is always better to be a close second than a distant second (performance wise) and they already spent the money anyway.

 

[Auric]

In 'nutha thread I speculated economics, oddly enough. The FX is surely more costly to make and due to being uncompetitive at the anticipated price it must be drastically marked down. Doing so would further require slashing prices on their already struggling product line. Thus their profits go down the crapper. So to save face they might just sell a small number, knowing no profit will be made but at least they limit the damage to what the competition can do instead of cutting their own throats any more.

 

[merlocka]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Just a comment on this.

Why would they kill the Ultra? If they do they have nothing to compete with. It is always better to be a close second than a distant second (performance wise) and they already spent the money anyway.

The reality is that they probably need to respin the chip to improve yields an/or improve performance and bug fix.

The 100pcs will fill channels for enough time until the next rev part is available.

It's not uncommon, although it's expensive in 130nm. I believe just a .13 metal mask is around $250k.