GeforceFX 5800Ultra NOT CANCELLED. Proof inside.

[nRollo]

Sigh. Where to start?

"So there will be very few Ultra cards that will reach retail shelves. "
That's if the RUMORS are true.

" If so, why is it 6 months late and barely able to keep pace with a 9700Pro that is about to get refreshed"
Well if you read at all you should know it's TSMC problems with the .13 micron manufacturing that made it late, not nVidia's doing. They gambled the process would be in place and lost this time. "Barely able to keep pace" is total BS. Did the VIVO blow away the GF2? No. Did the 8500 blow away the GF3? No. Does the 9700 blow away the the FX.? No. What you see is a parity of performance by generation. Like I said, nVidia can't help it the move to .13 took longer than expected.

" They better hope it isn't canceled. "
Why is that? They have the largest market share by far, the Xbox contract, and the hottest motherboard chipset on the market. The handful of people who buy Ultras won't break nVidia.

"then wtf have they been doing for the last 4 months?? Paying monkeys to write drivers?"
Of course you are a programmer who codes drivers for new VGAs and know how long it takes, right? Or how difficult it is?

"I wouldnt be surprised if we see a performance boost when it hits retail stores."
This I'd believe.

"the demand is far greater than the limited supply we will have."
I think you can believe that one Chief. Until they refine the manufacturing process and up their yields, this will be the case.

"Looks like it's back to the drawing board Nvidia... "
A. They put out a product comparable to their competitors B. They're always at the drawing board.








"the ram, the cooling solution and the hand assembly time is just too expensive for a profitable card even at $399 , IMHO. "
You know this because you have access to a card company's materials cost of course. You wouldn't be posting total speculation with no facts whatsoever to back them up?

"once R350 hits the streets, who will really care? The talk of the town will be R350."
You know that because you've seen the actual performance of the R350, right? So, with the R350 "the talk of the town" nVidia won't be able to make any money selling their parts? Errr, sure dude.

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[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Rand
Interesting, now I'm not sure what to think. HardOCP claims it's canceled besides Pre-Order, but cannot offer definitive proof. PowerColour has canceled their FX Ultra. We have reports that BFG is only producing enough for Pre-Orders, but again no definitive evidence. Now nVidia is claiming the Ultra will indeed hit Retail. It seems we may have to wait and see what happens, personally I suspect pre-orders will be filled and a VERY small number of Ultra's will hit the shelves in Retail but it'll never appear in volume.

Precisely, that card is a perfect example of the term 'loss leader.' They have to offer something like it to maintain enough respectability to sell the rest of the range, and the sad thing is that it doesn't even do a very good job at that. From what I've read Nvidia is going to have a very tough time this cycle because the architecture of the NV30 series of cards doesn't allow for cheap scaling downwards for cheaper cards. The only thing they can do is make the same card with slower memory/core to save some money, but it isn't as efficient as what ATI can do with the R300 series of cards which is to save by creating different designs with varying numbers of 3d pipelines or different memory bus widths. So they are going to be taking a hit on the 5800 ultra units, and run with reduced profits on the regular 5800. I don't think this will change until new silicon comes out, with less emphasis on brute force and more on efficiency (hopefully this fall).

As for the driver story, I don't buy it all, as it just doesn't add up given Nvidia's claim that they've been sitting around waiting for TSMC to get their act together on this release. If the driver team wasn't working on optimizing drivers for this card, then what were they doing? I can understand that the chip designers were working on a new design, but what was the driver team doing?

Anyhow, don't think I am an ATI fan, because I have never owned an ATI card (except for a few days before returning a 8500LE), I have always used Nvidia cards from the beginning. My first computer had a TNT, my second a GeForce2, my current computer started with a GeForce 2mx and now has a Ti4200. I was hoping for a good card from Nvidia that would at least compete in some useful areas with the R300 (for me - AA performance, Aniso Performance), but it hasn't happened and I guess if I buy a new card within 6 months it will be a Radeon. Maybe Nvidia will have something much better in the fall, as they say that they have been working on their next GPU for a while now.

 

[SFang]

Originally posted by: daywalker
Then the reply of Mr. Brian Burke, was the following:


" Our statement is the same one you got from our support group. We do not make official announcements in response to rumors.
Thanks for the continued support.

Brian Burke
NVIDIA Corp. "

Well, I wondered why Brian Burke didn't answer you directly on your question. Instead, he said "Our statement is the same one you got from our support group.". It is not the excuse of "official announcement" here, right? Something smells fishy.