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chizow

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Why do people preorder stuff? It's always at full price, it locks you in at full price, and I've yet to see anything on preorder run out for more than one or two days after it's released.

No, it doesn't lock you into anything. You don't get charged til it ships, they adjust your price if it is lower upon release, and you still have the benefit of returns and price matching. You can cancel anytime before it ships if you find a better deal, and even if you don't cancel in time, with free shipping you can just walk into your local Best Buy and return it with no cost incurred.

Chiz
 

bearauto

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Why do people preorder stuff? It's always at full price, it locks you in at full price, and I've yet to see anything on preorder run out for more than one or two days after it's released.

Ever hear of price match?
 

DestruyaUR

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Originally posted by: bearauto
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Why do people preorder stuff? It's always at full price, it locks you in at full price, and I've yet to see anything on preorder run out for more than one or two days after it's released.

Ever hear of price match?

If there's a 349 price on a GF FX within 30 (or in BB's case, 14) days of its release, I will be VERY surprised. 399 will be the *the* price until at least May. Then the start of college computer buying season will lower part prices since the component makers will overproduce to help meet demand.
 

dirtrat

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Drivers that work: Priceless.



How stupid is this comment, for Christ Sakes its still Vaporware and not even released yet! I'd prefer Nvidia'a prompt driver releases to ATI's ANY DAY!
 

DestruyaUR

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I stopped rooting for sides a long time ago. Whomever produces the fastest STABLE product gets my money. I also want to see previews describing the noise the "Leaf Blower" makes. Something tells me third-party manufacturers are going to make a mint of custombuilding waterblocks for the FX.
 

BentValve

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Originally posted by: dirtrat
Drivers that work: Priceless.



How stupid is this comment, for Christ Sakes its still Vaporware and not even released yet! I'd prefer Nvidia'a prompt driver releases to ATI's ANY DAY!

?? What are you smoking???
 

DestruyaUR

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The 9700 Pro AIW dropped to 399 (limited time offer) @ CompUSA last week. The 9700 Pro is still 319.20 at Microcenter until 1/26. No rebates, just instant discounts. That indicates ATI wants to move mass quantities of product in a little amount of time to curb the "I want speed right now, not in March" crowds, it also means they want an large R&D cache to counter NV35, since it seems the 9700 already has stolen a good deal of the FX's thunder. It may also indicate they're testing new price points. As far as I can see at the Fairfax, VA Microcenter, the 9500s and 9700s they're selling flew off the shelves. There's one lone 9700 Pro in the display case. I'm not a fanATIc or an nVidiot, but ATi is in the stronger point here. They've got a much more diverse field of products out and they're taking it to nVidia in the pricing category. ATI is saturating the market with product while nVidia is starting to refer to the 8X Ti4200 as the Ti4800...thank god people are generally stupid and nVidia spends so much on marketing.

Pure conjecture starts here (the dearth of nVidia news is simply due to the fact that they'll be doing literally nothing between now and March 9th):

I expect the MSRP of the 9700 Pro AIW to drop to 349 by March, and I expect the 9500 Pro AIW (I'm only assuming there WILL be one simply because the 9500 is one of ATI's most successful cards ever), will probably drop the price of the 9700 Pro to 299 MSRP. I firmly expect ATI to have a 256MB 9700 Pro with a higher core and memory speed (still using DDR-1, mind you, the inclusion of DDR-2 would require a core-logic change PLUS raise the price to GF FX Ultra levels).

ATI cannot debut a 256MB DDR 9700 Pro with less than the current 2.3ns RAM. To keep the 128MB Ti4200 competitively priced, nVidia had to ramp down the memory speed. I foresee the same thing on a 256MB R9700 Pro unless something revolutionary happens to memory pricing, which has remained relatively static the past year, and crises in the Asian Rim won't help matters much.

The non-Pro 9700s will probably slowly phase out, becoming the ATI equivalent of the now harder-to-find GF4 Ti4400s and Ti4600s. Companies might buy the non-Pro 9700 chips from ATI in bulk and equip them onto 229-dollar "value enthusiast" cards. On nVidia's side, I expect GF4MX cards to become extinct fast as the 8X AGP Ti4200s go on firesales around the country. nVidia doesn't have the luxury of gathering money from card sales directly, since they sell the chips to cardmakers (except this will be the first time they directly supervise a board's initial release as a first-hand party)...thus, they get much less per card to invest in future tech.

Also, we're still in a recession, and a projected 200 billion dollar war (the cost of the WAR, not the rebuilding of the destruction) isn't going to help things. The massive presence in the Gulf is going to stress the freight industry, and assuming we're rebuilding a shattered Iraq in March, getting GeForce FX cards to market will be a very very insignificant priority. Which means they'll be using air freight, which additionally means lower initial release numbers and higher transportation costs. The skinny of it: it's going to be VERY hard to find GF FX cards. This year's controversy might not be Best Buy making the online world's highest-profile pricemistake, but rather pissing off thousands of customers who preordered cards not being able to get theirs on release day...

Everything's connected. Tough few months ahead, if Bush isn't pulling the biggest military rope-a-dope in history, poising an overwhelming force on Saddam's doorstep simply to persuade Arab nations to take care of the problem themselves. Even then, we've said we'd "enter the country in a sheerly 'administrative' faculty" to help them get off to a good start.


So, in a nutshell, I expect the AIW 9700 Pro to hit 399 MSRP in mid-Feb, along with the drop of the 9700 Pro to 299-349 MSRP in preparation for a 349 dollar 256MB 9700 Pro (using memory in the 2.8ns range to save money). I also see the introduction of a 9500 Pro AIW dropping the price of the 9500 Pro down to scorchingly attractive price levels.

For nVidia - I see lots of cheap Ti4200 8Xs on the horizon leading up to the FX's intro. That's about it. I'll check my score in a little over a month
 

iwearnosox

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This thing seems like the second generation of the voodoo 6000 for god's sake. Beefy power supply required, leaf blower cooling to keep it from going down in flames. And while it's fast, it's not so amazingly fast over existing cards.

I'll pass.
 

iwearnosox

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Originally posted by: DestruyaUR
ATI cannot debut a 256MB DDR 9700 Pro with less than the current 2.3ns RAM. To keep the 128MB Ti4200 competitively priced, nVidia had to ramp down the memory speed. I foresee the same thing on a 256MB R9700 Pro unless something revolutionary happens to memory pricing, which has remained relatively static the past year, and crises in the Asian Rim won't help matters much.

Hey Beavis, he said Asian Rim. Huhuhuhuh...

 

chizow

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Originally posted by: dirtrat
Drivers that work: Priceless.



How stupid is this comment, for Christ Sakes its still Vaporware and not even released yet! I'd prefer Nvidia'a prompt driver releases to ATI's ANY DAY!

I think you need to touch up on your reading comprehension skills. I was commenting on Nvidia's excellent drivers in comparison to ATI's shoddy support. I currently own a 9700pro (after 2 generations of Nvidia cards) and have coincidentally had conflicts with some of my hardware and software that didn't exist with my GF4 and GF3. Point of comment is : $399.99 is worth the price for top of the line performance AND drivers that work.

Chiz

Edit: Just read that post about Micro Center!!! :Q :Q Its like 5 mins away from my office in Fairfax and I didn't even know about it :Q:Q:Q
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: BentValve
Edit: Just read that post about Micro Center!!! Its like 5 mins away from my office in Fairfax and I didn't even know about it


what post?

DestroyUR's post like 5 up....I just looked up the Micro Center site and its literally 5 mins away from my office..w00t!!! $79.99 Antec Truepower 430 here I come!! No PM's, shipping, hassle...just Four-Hundred-And-Thirty-Watts of instant gratification

Chiz
 

chizow

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OMG!!! Ordered!!!!

That's only like 2 weeks away

Gotta take back this damn 9700pro now though...GF3 for a few weeks is gonna suck

Thanks!!

Edit: Hmmm took it out of my cart. They charge shipping, tax, and I have 2 or 3 ComptonUSSR's within 10 minutes of me. Gonna either pick it up B&M or wait to see how much Micro Center sells em for
 

BAMAVOO

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I have a 9700 Pro and I am not that impressed..Of course I have only run it on Mad Onions Demo..Only scored like 9700 3d marks..Thought it should be higher????????? Will have to see what this new Nvidia card looks like out of the gate..
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
I have a 9700 Pro and I am not that impressed..Of course I have only run it on Mad Onions Demo..Only scored like 9700 3d marks..Thought it should be higher????????? Will have to see what this new Nvidia card looks like out of the gate..

The Radeon 9700pro is impressive hardware, don't get me wrong (14,570 3dmarks with stock drivers, no OCing, no tweaking), but the drivers just blow. My tuner card works intermittenly, I get massive drops in frames in some games, and the software suite is buggy.

What CPU are you using with it? The 9700pro should be breaking 10k in 3dmark with any CPU over 1500mhz (Intel or AMD).

Chiz
 

masterxfob

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i don't know why so many of you are complaining about the price, it isn't that much more than previous video card releases. i remember paying $350 for my hercules geforce2 gts 64mb video card a few years back, so this isn't really that much more.
 

louiedog

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Originally posted by: chizow
Damnit, if it weren't almost 2 months from release, I'd order it I have about 2 weeks left to take back this 9700pro. It'd be nice if I could get my tuner to work correctly with the 9700pro without performing voodoo on it each time :|

Chiz

You could return it and buy another one, then return that one
 

DestruyaUR

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Glad I clued you in about Microcenter - but the problem is that they're MSRP-city unless they've got a sale on like they do right now. The only reason they extended this sale was it was getting them rolling in dough.
 

Oakenfold

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Gosh I so WANT this card after wasting my time with a 9700..gave ATI my one shot, they blew it.
I should have figured that a company that advertises in PC magazines by having a dude with his shirt off showing off his tattoo was just an example of excellent marketing strategies and superior product technology...

I'll stick with trying to figure out Nvidia model numbers any day.
At least I can find comfort in their drivers.
 

TheWart

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I thought Nvidia advertised the GFX as pushing out 350 million triangles a sec..not 200.
 
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