GeIL DDR memory

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: ketchup79
Hmm, so Corsair kicks butt and Geil sucks. Ok, pop quiz: Whose EL DDR 400 will not run on a SIS 655 board until you boot the computer with another kind of RAM and change it from using SPD timings? Hint: It's not Geil!

How is that the rams fault? That's a problem with that SiS 655 chipset not liking tight timings. Not sure how that can be blamed on the ram.

 

[Ketchup]

If Corsair's memory can't handle SPD timings which they have set for the RAM, at it's default speed and default voltage, then it either needs to relax the SPD timigs or start getting better yielding memory. How can you blame the motherboard for letting the RAM run the speed at which it has been programmed by the manufacturer to run?

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

How can you blame the ram when it's just fine with any chipset other than that one? There could be more boards with the same problem but the SiS 655 boards are the only ones I've heard of.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: maxSe

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
lol u can't even judge it if u haven't tried it. There have been great reviews for geil all over the internet. I see them as the next major ram company. You have to start somewhere right?

True, BUT I also heard that OCZ and Geil send "hand-picked" modules to these review sites... (also, if I remember correctly, don't Geil modules need 3.0v+ to really "shine"?? sorry, none of my boards go that high... ) If I'm going to spend my hard-earned money, I like to spend on "proven" stuff tested by my peers rather than reviewers who gets their stuff for free.. If a lot of guys come out and say Geil and OCZ are really that good AND backs it up, then I'll think about switching... but I'm not that brave just yet...

I'm not partial to XMS either, but my first hand experience tells me they're the best. I'm running Hyper-X's in my IC7 (Canterwood) right now, and I have 2x512MB Winbond BH-5 modules coming to me next week.

GeIL is relatively new to the North american market. They are apparently pretty big in europe. Why are people lumping them in with OCZ as if they are the same company? As far as i can tell they are definately not. My GeIL modules work just fine at 200 mhz 2.6 volts even though the spd programming call for 2.7volts. I haven't seen any testimonials from anyone using the dual channel pc3200 ULD kits having problems. I just haven't seen any reason to not give them a chance. my personal results have been pretty much what the reviewers have been reporting.

 

[techfuzz]

I did a comparison of GeIL vs. Kingston HyperX. GeIL memory does not have low timings commonly associated with Corsair. In fact, I could not find low latency timings on any GeIL products. This leads me to believe that although GeIL does have good ram, it does not perform up to the high standards Corsair has placed on their low latency memory. Looks like for everyday purposes, GeIL is going to be a good buy, but when it comes to overclocking and squeezing every little bit of performance out of your memory, Corsair or Kingston is the way to go.

techfuzz

 

[pm]

Giel are the first manufacturer that I have seen with DDR400 512MB ECC modules. Thanks for mentioning them, techfuzz.

 

[CraigRT]

GEIL is the devil... had one stick once... pure headaches.

I hope to never lay eyes on that utter crap ever again.

BURN IN HELL GEIL MEMORY.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: techfuzz
I did a comparison of GeIL vs. Kingston HyperX. GeIL memory does not have low timings commonly associated with Corsair. In fact, I could not find low latency timings on any GeIL products. This leads me to believe that although GeIL does have good ram, it does not perform up to the high standards Corsair has placed on their low latency memory. Looks like for everyday purposes, GeIL is going to be a good buy, but when it comes to overclocking and squeezing every little bit of performance out of your memory, Corsair or Kingston is the way to go.

techfuzz

cas2 6-3-3-1T while not cas2 6-2-2-1T like the corsair xms is still low latency in my book.

 

[LittleBoo]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
forget the preformace reviews ~ very few have been able to obtain those same results.

it comes down to this:
do you want XMS LL? or do you want the bargain ram? (not that there is anything wrong with bargain ram)

Forget about using the Corsair -LL sticks with the 875P, even Corsair doesn't recommend them. For Canterwood, I'm going with less aggressive RAM, and I think it's a good question whether or not to pay the name-brand premium when the 875P can't take aggressive timings.

 

[drewski]

i've got a 512MB module of the Geil 3500 Ultra Platinum.

it's rated 2 6-3-3 1T @ 433MHz & 400MHz

i run it @ 2 4-2-2 1T @ 400MHz sync mode on my Epox 8rda+. i think that's pretty good. single channel though, if that influences people's thoughts on my results.

 

[human2k]

2-2-2-4, nice! Benchmarks?

 

[drewski]

Originally posted by: human2k
2-2-2-4, nice! Benchmarks?

i'm not a slave to benches or knowledgeable about everything out there, but i can run some Sandra stuff when i get the chance. also, if you have other suggestions for benches i'll see what i can do.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: human2k
2-2-2-4, nice! Benchmarks?

400mhzddr cas2 4-2-2
sisoft memory bandwidth test
2963 INT
2740 Float
PcMark 2002 memory test
5697

 

[drewski]

oh, and i run it at 2.7v instead of the default 2.6

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: drewski
oh, and i run it at 2.7v instead of the default 2.6

yea I run it at 2.7 also. that is the default voltage for these modules in the spd programming.

 

[fhetw]

drewksi's post reminded me of this. one bad thing about geil memory is it takes a HIGH voltage to run effectively. this is something that people overlook, which probably is the cause of their bad experiences. in every review and from personal experiece, it warns the need for high v.

 

[drewski]

Originally posted by: NesuD

Originally posted by: human2k
2-2-2-4, nice! Benchmarks?

400mhzddr cas2 4-2-2
sisoft memory bandwidth test
2963 INT
2740 Float
PcMark 2002 memory test
5697

for all intents and purposes identical.
sisoft sandra v. 2003.1.9.31
run 1:
2954 Int
2736 Float
run 2:
2970 Int
2760 Float
run 3:
2977 Int
2759 Float

and i wouldn't really call 2.7v 'high', but i'm no expert on these things.

 

[kylebisme]

ohh ya it says right on the package of mine that you can feel free to crank it all the way up to 2.8v.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: fhetw
drewksi's post reminded me of this. one bad thing about geil memory is it takes a HIGH voltage to run effectively. this is something that people overlook, which probably is the cause of their bad experiences. in every review and from personal experiece, it warns the need for high v.

Fact is there is a lot of the pc3200 ram whose spd programming will set the voltage to 2.7. considering that 2.6 is basically the default voltage now I wouldn't call 2.7 high. Also these modules run fine at 2.6 as well at their rated timings. Seems like a lot of these complaints about GeIL are more associated with their lower end modules when being run out of spec than with the Ultra modules. That is just the impression I am getting though.

 

[funks]

I bought a GEIL Twin-Pack for DUAL CHANNEL Mobo's..

It's labeled as

DUAL CHANNEL DDR433 PC3500 512MB (1 GB)

The chips are marked

GEIL 512MB PC3500

DDR CL=2-6-3-3 Ultra Dual Channel

Will report on how to they perform on my MSI 865PE-NEO2 which doesn't like my

Dual Crucial PC2700 @ SPD default (333 mhz), have to force it to 266..

George

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: funks
I bought a GEIL Twin-Pack for DUAL CHANNEL Mobo's..

It's labeled as

DUAL CHANNEL DDR433 PC3500 512MB (1 GB)

The chips are marked

GEIL 512MB PC3500

DDR CL=2-6-3-3 Ultra Dual Channel

Will report on how to they perform on my MSI 865PE-NEO2 which doesn't like my

Dual Crucial PC2700 @ SPD default (333 mhz), have to force it to 266..

George

Nice, lets so how far they will go!

 

[HardWired]

So far, it looks like most people that say "stay away from it" have never used it, and those of us that do use it say "it works great". How can the opinion from one who has never used a product even be considered?

I'm currently getting 442 MHz. out of mine at 2-3-3-7 in the rig in my sig., so I find it to be quality stuff. And the reviews around the net give it high marks as well. Does anyone have a link to a review that says it crap?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: HardWired
So far, it looks like most people that say "stay away from it" have never used it, and those of us that do use it say "it works great". How can the opinion from one who has never used a product even be considered?

Heh thats so true. Once I get some cash I am most definitly buying there 2x512 PC3500 Dual Channel Kit.

 

[HardWired]

Originally posted by: fhetw
drewksi's post reminded me of this. one bad thing about geil memory is it takes a HIGH voltage to run effectively. this is something that people overlook, which probably is the cause of their bad experiences. in every review and from personal experiece, it warns the need for high v.

I get the results listed in my post above w/ 2.60 v.. Or 2.50...whatever the first level that's listed in my mobo setting. No need for 2.70+ for me.

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: HardWired
Does anyone have a link to a review that says it crap?

From TweakTown

We decided to rip the ram spreaders off the Geil memory (after doing the tests as to find out if it worked before we tried to destroy it). To our horror we found out that the Geil memory uses GL2000 7ns memory modules. That?s right; these babies are only rated to 133Mhz (266DDR). These are WELL overclocked chips, no wonder it needs heatspreaders. After finding this out, I decided to test the memory without the heatspreaders - Oddly enough, the results were totally unstable.