Gen5 NVMe have active cooling

[BFG10K]

Consumer PCIe Gen 5 Gaming SSDs Arrive For Sale In Japan At A Smoking 10GB/s

The first PCIe 5.0 SSD popped up in Japan with a familiar face and blistering performance.

hothardware.com

A fan on an SSD? This is really getting quite ridiculous. These things are turning into GPUs.

 

[BFG10K]

Well this is...interesting:

ASUS has a GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Card with an M.2 SSD Slot

ASUS Chinese GM—Tony Yu—has shown off a graphics card concept on Bilibili that has a rather unusual feature, a slot for an M.2 NVMe SSD. The card is based on NVIDIA's GeForce RT 4060 Ti GPU and although not all details are clear at this point in time, but ASUS is taking advantage of the unused...

www.techpowerup.com

Reminds me of the old sound cards with joystick ports.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Adata Details SSD with Self-Contained Liquid Cooling System: Up to 14GB/s

Extreme performance meets extreme capacity

www.tomshardware.com

What are the chances of this failing and spewing liquid inside your PC?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Adata Details SSD with Self-Contained Liquid Cooling System: Up to 14GB/s

Extreme performance meets extreme capacity

www.tomshardware.com

What are the chances of this failing and spewing liquid inside your PC?

It's stuff like that that makes the M.2 form factor look stupid.

 

[Joe NYC]

Consumer PCIe Gen 5 Gaming SSDs Arrive For Sale In Japan At A Smoking 10GB/s

The first PCIe 5.0 SSD popped up in Japan with a familiar face and blistering performance.

hothardware.com

A fan on an SSD? This is really getting quite ridiculous. These things are turning into GPUs.

Seems like the new Crucial T700 is working ok with just a heatsink. Does anybody have it?

 

[Muadib]

Seems like the new Crucial T700 is working ok with just a heatsink. Does anybody have it?

I have one, but it's not a week old yet. I have the 4TB without a heatsink. My motherboard has cooling for M.2 drives and it works well so far. I figured I could order a heatsink, if things go south.

 

[Joe NYC]

I have one, but it's not a week old yet. I have the 4TB without a heatsink. My motherboard has cooling for M.2 drives and it works well so far. I figured I could order a heatsink, if things go south.

I just ordered one, it is arriving tomorrow.

Just 1 TB one to use in a small server. I got the version with a heatsink.

I am also going to be looking for one for my home / gaming system. I will probably also go with 4 TB version (up from 1 TB I have now). Some of these games are taking a ton of disk space. I noticed Starfield will take 125 GB...

 

[Muadib]

Gaming is exactly what mine will be used for. I have windows 11 running on it now, but I’m not sure if I will leave it there.

 

[BFG10K]

Seems like the new Crucial T700 is working ok with just a heatsink. Does anybody have it?

Still throttles even with bulky coolers with fans:

One of those coolers is basically a small GPU cooler. M2 was never designed for such weight, bulk, or clearance.

Also unlike CPU sockets which are standardized, there's no standard for M2 thickness or component height. It's luck whether a heatsink makes contact because NAND chips can be a different height to the controller. You might even have uneven components on the bottom.

So you'll have air gaps even with a thermal pad, like my Samsung. What's next, thermal paste? Lapping the chips? Delidding? LMAO.

It's a catastrophic failure when a 10W device with a GPU / liquid cooler still throttles.

People say "that never happens in the real world!" Wrong. A game that constantly streams data will potentially do it because it hammers reads. Rage makes my Samsung throttle after 20 minutes. And with DirectStorage, expect these things to be gaming furnaces.

 

[coercitiv]

Silicon Motion Readies PCIe Gen5 SSDs with 3.5W Power Consumption

If the 3.5W figure is for average power consumption then the power problem for Gen5 drives is solved. Peak power @ 3.5W is too good to be true, while 3.5W idle is not realistic for any modern consumer SSD.

 

[00Logic]

I haven't read all the posts, so just in case no-one's mentioned it:
Drives running the 4Kn SECTOR (not Cluster) size, rather than 512e, seem to be running cooler from what I have read.
ie:
Converting your SSD to its native K4 sector size, rather than have it emulate 512K sectors may well mean a usefully cooler drive under load.
Less processing = less heat. (and less time)

Once your sector size is maxed out, know that NAND is written in Pages.
Pages used by be 4K, (the windows default) but have grown to 8K, 16K, etc.
Setting your cluster size to equal your NAND's page size may well have a similar effect.

Naturally all Partitions, sectors and clusters need to be aligned.
Thats a subject in itself. Especially as most drives now employ a pSLC cache (to spead up writes mainly), meaning 2 different Page and Erase Block Sizes to align to.
Newer Windows versions do an adequate job of alignment, but there's more performance to be had here IMHO and should again result in a bit less processing.
eg: https://askubuntu.com/questions/314262/partition-alignment-confusion

I'll leave it to you all to research the truth of this and perhaps experiment.
This link will get you started on
How To 4Kn 'any' SSD:
How to switch your NVME SSD to 4KN Advanced Format - Carlos Felicio

 

[DrMrLordX]

I haven't read all the posts, so just in case no-one's mentioned it:

That's pretty informative stuff. Do any of those changes lead to better drive performance as well? And not just less heat?

 

[A///]

or in a monitor

????????????

does such a torture device exist?

 

[Joe NYC]

Any new drives emerged in last few months that might be better than Crucial T700?

 

[igor_kavinski]

????????????

does such a torture device exist?

Yup: https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000198740/alienware-aw3423dw-monitor-fan-noise

 

[BFG10K]

does such a torture device exist?

Yeah, a lot of HDR monitors with local dimming have a fan, especially if they also have gsync. Manufacturers gloss over it and usually only the detailed reviews mention it.

 

[A///]

Yeah, a lot of HDR monitors with local dimming have a fan, especially if they also have gsync. Manufacturers gloss over it and usually only the detailed reviews mention it.

never owned one but I'm guessing the hdr portion of the monitor makes the pcb very hot?

 

[BFG10K]

Another day, another Gen 5 cooling monstrosity.

Team Group Z540 2 TB Review

Team Group's Z540 PCI-Express Gen 5 SSD achieves incredible speeds, reaching up to 12 GB/s. Thanks to its well-designed cooling system, heat is effectively dissipated. Unlike competing Gen 5 SSDs that run their coolers at constant maximum speed, the Z540 lets you adjust fan speed through your...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[BFG10K]

I call this one the "tower wind tunnel". Also the SATA connector for the fan nullifies yet another advantage of M.2 ("no external cables needed!").

Corsair MP700 Pro 2 TB Review - Great Cooling Included

Corsair is updating their MP700 PCI-Express Gen 5 SSD. On the "Pro" model you now get speeds of up to 12 GB/s and a great heatsink is included, too. Our review confirms that the cooling solution can handle the controller's heat output easily, even when heavily loaded. Performance is excellent, too.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Brainonska511]

They couldn't just go for a simple 4 pin PWM that you could potentially control via a motherboard header? It would still be an annoying cable, but the potential to have one less connector attached to your PSU, if you have the available motherboard fan headers...

 

[mikeymikec]

They couldn't just go for a simple 4 pin PWM that you could potentially control via a motherboard header? It would still be an annoying cable, but the potential to have one less connector attached to your PSU, if you have the available motherboard fan headers...

Because if you buy a cheap board, no optional fan headers (or they've put the header as far away as possible).

 

[Brainonska511]

Because if you buy a cheap board, no optional fan headers (or they've put the header as far away as possible).

But then you just use a splitter, fan controller, or adapter, just like you would if you didn't have enough headers (or well placed ones) for case fans.

 

[In2Photos]

Because if you buy a cheap board, no optional fan headers (or they've put the header as far away as possible).

Cheap boards don't have Gen 5 slots though, right?

 

[mikeymikec]

Cheap boards don't have Gen 5 slots though, right?

I'm sure they will do (no idea if they do already). Whatever looks like a sales point, then cheap out on the fine details.

But then you just use a splitter, fan controller, or adapter, just like you would if you didn't have enough headers (or well placed ones) for case fans.

Fair point, though most hardware design companies faced with the choice of which power connector to use (and are trying to save as much money as possible) are going to go for the likeliest item that every desktop user will have spare; even the cheapest PSU you can find will have spare SATA/molex power connectors spare (the one I have here, labelled a "Pemtium power supply" [sic] from CiT has three SATA power connectors).

 

[WelshBloke]

Well this is...interesting:

ASUS has a GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Card with an M.2 SSD Slot

ASUS Chinese GM—Tony Yu—has shown off a graphics card concept on Bilibili that has a rather unusual feature, a slot for an M.2 NVMe SSD. The card is based on NVIDIA's GeForce RT 4060 Ti GPU and although not all details are clear at this point in time, but ASUS is taking advantage of the unused...

www.techpowerup.com

Reminds me of the old sound cards with joystick ports.

I can kinda see the point of that.

Id like to add some more nvme drives to my PC but I'm out of m2 slots and I'm also out of PCI lanes so sharing the ones with the GPU seems not a bad idea.

 

[Joe NYC]

Why not put a fan connector on the M.2 and power its own fan from PCIe power? There should be more than enough amps available to power a tiny fan...