Gender non-conforming teen sues South Carolina DMV

[Texashiker]

I do not know if this kid has already been discussed here, but now his mom has filed suit against South Carolina DMV.

Little background, teenage boy likes to dress up in girls clothing. Went to take picture for drivers license dressed as girl, was told he was going to have to dress like a boy and with no makeup.

Mom is mad and has sued the South Carolina DMV.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ed-to-do-by-the-dmv-has-him-filing-a-lawsuit/

Was a teenager’s makeup a “disguise,” or an expression of personal freedom stifled by the government?

That’s the question a lawsuit filed Tuesday aims to settle.

Chase Culpepper, 16, was born into a male body, but he considers himself “gender non-conforming” and lives much of his life in women’s clothing and makeup (although he still reportedly prefers male pronouns).

Notice how in a lot of these cases there is rarely any mention of the father?

Part of the claim is the teen is entitled to freedom of expression. I am not sure cross dressing for an official government document is freedom of expression.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

What's the point of the photograph on an ID? Shouldn't it be a representation of how the person looks when the ID is needed by an authority figure, such as a police officer making a stop, TSA agent verifying a ticket or clerk selling alcohol or cigarettes? If he's always wearing makeup, shouldn't the photo reflect how he's going to look when his ID is needed to verify identity? Do they make women wipe off all their makeup? Seems silly to me.

 

[nehalem256]

What's the point of the photograph on an ID? Shouldn't it be a representation of how the person looks when the ID is needed by an authority figure, such as a police officer making a stop, TSA agent verifying a ticket or clerk selling alcohol or cigarettes? If he's always wearing makeup, shouldn't the photo reflect how he's going to look when his ID is needed to verify identity? Do they make women wipe off all their makeup? Seems silly to me.

This makes complete sense.

The problem becomes how does the DMV verify that is actually the case?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I've been asked to remove my glasses by the DMV and TSA (TWIC) when taking photos to prevent glare.

 

[HumblePie]

I've been asked to remove my glasses by the DMV and TSA (TWIC) when taking photos to prevent glare.

The DMV doesn't ask women to remove lipstick and rouge do they? Nor dye their hair back to their "natural' color if it is dyed?

If the dude is wearing a wig, I can see them asking him to remove it for valid reasons. Same with glasses. The makeup, unless it looks like halloween style setup, is stupid to ask to remove if not asked of regular women who wear it as well.

 

[smackababy]

This is actually a problem a lot of transgenders face. They are unable to get an ID accurately representing the gender they identify with, even if only in picture form. As a result, they are denied a lot of access to things that require photo ID; their photo isn't allowed to match their every day appearance.

And, am I the only person who noticed:

Notice how in a lot of these cases there is rarely any mention of the father?.

Yes, TH, the only reason people are gay, transgender, or dress in the opposite sexes clothing is because they don't have a father figure in their lives... Same with being a criminal.

 

[Texashiker]

Yes, TH, the only reason people are gay, transgender, or dress in the opposite sexes clothing is because they don't have a father figure in their lives... Same with being a criminal.

I am glad you made the connection.

Parental alienation has a devastating affect on the children.

 

[dank69]

I am glad you made the connection.

Parental alienation has a devastating affect on the children.

How many of your children are criminals?

 

[Texashiker]

How many of your children are criminals?

My daughter was arrested, still waiting for the outcome.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...cline-fatherhood-and-the-male-identity-crisis

Fatherless children are at a dramatically greater risk of drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness, suicide, poor educational performance, teen pregnancy, and criminality, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Center for Health Statistics.

I consider transgender a form of mental illness.

 

[senseamp]

Are women required to remove make-up for DMV photo? If not, he has a slam dunk equal protection case.

 

[nehalem256]

Chase Culpepper, 16, was born into a male body, but he considers himself “gender non-conforming” and lives much of his life in women’s clothing and makeup (although he still reportedly prefers male pronouns)

There is so much screwed up stuff stuck in one sentence.

First of all I like the phrase "born into a male body". Imagine if someone said they were born into an African-American body

 

[alzan]

My daughter was arrested, still waiting for the outcome.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...cline-fatherhood-and-the-male-identity-crisis

I consider transgender a form of mental illness.

Of course you do, you delicate little flower you.

 

[TheSiege]

Not to agree with TH, but the DSM does classify TGs as a medical disorder. Although not mental...

 

[nehalem256]

Not to agree with TH, but the DSM does classify TGs as a medical disorder. Although not mental...

You do realize that DSM is short for "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" right?

 

[TheSiege]

You do realize that DSM is short for "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" right?

Hey, I am an electrician, I can tell you all about volts. I can't be expected to memorize what all initialisms mean. With that being said, men and women should be treated equally when it comes to the DMV. If women can wear makeup and have dyed hair, so should men, TGs, A-sexual or otherwise.

 

[SlowSpyder]

This will probably become more common over time, especially with hormone therapies and sex changes that don't happen all at once. Maybe they should allow for two pictures on a license of those who don't agree with what the state says their sex is.

 

[nehalem256]

This will probably become more common over time, especially with hormone therapies and sex changes that don't happen all at once. Maybe they should allow for two pictures on a license of those who don't agree with what the state says their sex is.

I don't think you know what sex is.

The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex, the biological makeup of an individual's reproductive anatomy or secondary sex characteristics, from gender, social roles based on the sex of the person (culturally learned) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] Gender is sometimes referred to as the sex of the brain. In atypical circumstances, an individual's sex and gender do not align, and the result is transgenderism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Sex is about the biological body. The state isn't saying what their sex is.

Of course you can be forgiven for being confused. Given that transgender activists want you to be confused.

 

[pauldun170]

The kid should be able to obtain an ID that can accurately be used to identify him.
The picture linked is suitable

(Picture of Chase dressed as someone's Grandma)
Chase Culpepper
M
DOB : Whenever

If I can get my State ID with an occasional pornstache and afro, then this kid should be able to get his picture wearing Edith Bunkers "Thursday outfit"

 

[SlowSpyder]

I don't think you know what sex is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Sex is about the biological body. The state isn't saying what their sex is.

Of course you can be forgiven for being confused. Given that transgender activists want you to be confused.

Again, sex change procedures and hormone therapies can take time. Some people are born with a bit of each, male and female. Some people honestly feel they are a different sex, err gender, than their physical parts would indicate and live their life the majority of the time as the opposite sex.

Read a post from one of our forum's own here.

 

[nehalem256]

Again, sex change procedures and hormone therapies can take time. Some people are born with a bit of each, male and female. Some people honestly feel they are a different sex, err gender, than their physical parts would indicate and live their life the majority of the time as the opposite sex.

Read a post from one of our forum's own here.

So as I said sex and gender are different.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

My daughter was arrested, still waiting for the outcome.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...cline-fatherhood-and-the-male-identity-crisis


I consider transgender a form of mental illness.

and luckily nobody with more than a double digit IQ gives a flying fuck what you you consider a mental illness.

 

[SlowSpyder]

So as I said sex and gender are different.

What does it matter for the sake of this thread?

 

[Texashiker]

and luckily nobody with more than a double digit IQ gives a flying fuck what you you consider a mental illness.

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

 

[MrPickins]

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

Too bad you've proven yourself to be blind, deaf and dumb.

 

[rommelrommel]

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

And the stupid are still stupid. What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?