Gender non-conforming teen sues South Carolina DMV

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PokerGuy

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Just because someone is born into a Caucasian body does not mean they are not an African-American. Who is the state to say what your race is?

Exactly, just because you were born into a certain body doesn't mean that's what you are, you should be able to be free and pick whatever race you want to be, and everyone should be forced to refer to you as being that race!

</politically correct liberal doctrine>
 

Texashiker

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He makes a cute girl.

Yes he does.


The line will be drawn when the first white dude shows up in blackface. When that occurs, we'll see the intolerance of the 'tolerant' on full display.



Even liberals have a point where they will say no more.

Mentally ill people start showing up in dolphin, horse and cat outfits claiming they are not human. Maybe the DMV needs more check boxes for inter-species people.

But then again, chaos is the goal of liberalism.
 

dank69

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I'd give some real serious thought to the choices I was making. If it was important to me to have a beard, dress in flamboyant drag and wear makeup in public, I'd be adult about it and bear the burden. I'd also realize that my lifestyle is representative of a minute percentage of the population and asking everybody else to change to make me happier was unrealistic.

If you want to behave far outside the norms of society you should fully expect to draw attention. If you don't like that attention or if you're upset that you're drawing it, seeking professional help should be a consideration. It couldn't be any simpler. As far as your statement about "potentially verbally or even physically harassed", that's a red flag. If you have fears because of the way you choose to present yourself to society, some soul searching is in order.
Yeah, you have to be a big fan of conformity in order to be so beholden to the GOP the way you are.
 

xBiffx

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Man with daughter in the slammer judges other people's parenting.

Well that's what happens when you have a dead beat dad. TH recognizes his mistakes and now he wants everyone else to pay for it by doing things his way. Most people don't tend to listen to those that suck at life though. That's why they are always trying to give advice, hoping that one day someone will listen to them, as if they were looking for redemption.

And remember its the "man" who constantly whines about the fact that he had to pay child support.

Typical bullshit from our resident lefties. Complain about someone being judgmental, while being judgmental. The left's hypocrisy knows no bounds.
 

brycejones

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Typical bullshit from our resident lefties. Complain about someone being judgmental, while being judgmental. The left's hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Cry me a river, the OP whines all the time about having to be a responsible parent and brought the subject up himself.
 
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The kid is going through a phase, in 2-5 years, he will realize he is a douchebag and dress like a normal male.

That is why the state is concerned, because the photo will not help them in-case they are looking for him at a later date.

I can honestly see both sides of the issue here, so I'm kind of torn.
 

dank69

Lifer
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The kid is going through a phase, in 2-5 years, he will realize he is a douchebag and dress like a normal male.

That is why the state is concerned, because the photo will not help them in-case they are looking for him at a later date.

I can honestly see both sides of the issue here, so I'm kind of torn.

Is that your professional opinion?
 
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Is that your professional opinion?

Yes, yes it is. After careful analysis of liberal dick-ishness. Followed by tossing in a little douche-bagerry.

After reviewing the thread, it's nice to see the liberals getting schooled because even you know that you would draw the line at someone coming in with their skin painted black.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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I'd give some real serious thought to the choices I was making. If it was important to me to have a beard, dress in flamboyant drag and wear makeup in public, I'd be adult about it and bear the burden. I'd also realize that my lifestyle is representative of a minute percentage of the population and asking everybody else to change to make me happier was unrealistic.

If you want to behave far outside the norms of society you should fully expect to draw attention. If you don't like that attention or if you're upset that you're drawing it, seeking professional help should be a consideration. It couldn't be any simpler. As far as your statement about "potentially verbally or even physically harassed", that's a red flag. If you have fears because of the way you choose to present yourself to society, some soul searching is in order.

Yea, I'm going to call bullshit on "I'd be adult about it and bear the burden." Also, no one has said anything about flamboyant drag this entire thread. That was a lot of words just to dodge the question.

What you don't seem to understand is gender dysphoria is real and people die over it. Just choosing to present yourself the way other people want isn't always an option if a person wants to keep on living with themselves. Why should transgender people ruin their lives spiraling into impossible depressions and possibly commit suicide over trying to make you comfortable?
 

smackababy

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Yes, yes it is. After careful analysis of liberal dick-ishness. Followed by tossing in a little douche-bagerry.

After reviewing the thread, it's nice to see the liberals getting schooled because even you know that you would draw the line at someone coming in with their skin painted black.

If someone spent the majority of their time in black face, as that was their regular appearance, I think a lot of people would be fine with his ID displaying just how much of an idiot that person actually was.


The problem that is happening is people who live as the opposite gender 100% of the time are unable to get an ID displaying how they live (and thus, are subject to denial of services that require a photo ID, as they do not match the sex or picture stated on said ID) until after they complete sexual reassignment surgery, which takes a long time to even be qualified for and get. Voter ID laws would effectively ban transgender people from voting, unless they dress up as someone they are not. Buying alcohol? Yeah, good luck getting that clerk to sell you that 12 pack, when your ID is that of a man and you, for all intents are a women.

But, you're right! Let's deny all people their rights because someone might do something stupid! Funny how that doesn't apply to gun control, but ID photos and marriage equality, omg we must do it!
 

SMOGZINN

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Part of the claim is the teen is entitled to freedom of expression. I am not sure cross dressing for an official government document is freedom of expression.

So, this you think it might be okay for the state government to enforce a dress code?
Getting rid of gender politics right for now, why is the government allowed to enforce how I dress? Could they require me to wear a tie? Or women to wear dresses, because isn't wearing pants cross-dressing a little?
 

smackababy

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So, this you think it might be okay for the state government to enforce a dress code?
Getting rid of gender politics right for now, why is the government allowed to enforce how I dress? Could they require me to wear a tie? Or women to wear dresses, because isn't wearing pants cross-dressing a little?

And who decides what clothes are acceptable for what gender?
 

smackababy

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What about the nudists? Why make them wear clothes at all?

Good question! I mean, doesn't the Bible teach us that the only reason we are ashamed of our bodies is because of sin? Why not cast it away? If you are offended by the sight of nipples, penises, or vaginae, you're not smart enough to be taken seriously anyway.
 

Texashiker

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Getting rid of gender politics right for now, why is the government allowed to enforce how I dress?

When I was a teenager I got a speeding ticket. I did not know any better, I went to pay the ticket in shorts and shoes. No pants, no shirt,,, nothing but 1984 style short shorts and a pair of reebok tennie shoes.

The judge called me up to the bench, threatened to have me thrown in jail for contempt of court if I ever appeared in his court like that again. I was then told to leave and come back only when I was fully dressed.

I went home, put on some pants, socks, shirt and went back to court to pay my ticket.

So yes, when appearing before the state for official business, I believe the state has a right to tell you how to dress.

As for the opening post, a drivers license is not a right. So yes again, I feel the state has the right to tell you how to dress for your drivers license picture. If you want a drivers license, these are the rules.
 
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pauldun170

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So based on the established facts
Only a female can have a vagina.
Only a male can have a wang.

Anyone can be a man.
Anyone can be a woman.

Cosmetic surgery, nor medication cannot make a male a female nor can it make a female a male. It changes the persons appearance to allow them to physically fit their identified gender.

Any law that states "woman" or "women" is by default applicable to males and females.

This kid likes to identify with whatever stereotypes society has assigned to woman.
The DMV of South Carolina has certain standards when it comes to make up. As long as the same standards apply to both males and females then no discrimination has taken place.

Since "gender" is defined by society, it can be changed to suit whenever. If "society" rejects the kid then thats the nature of the beast. HOWEVER, we are also a society of laws and we apply those laws universally.
You don't have to like the kid or people like him. You don't even have to accept him and can think he is a loon bag.
Whats important is that he\she\it\"Zumba Munchausens land neeble" have the same prtections under the law as everyone else.

If that DMV has issued licenses to any female with comparable or more makeup they lose automatically.
 
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