Gene Simmons is an a$$hole

[grohl]

So what if music just becomes free and artists make their living off of touring and merchandise?

Well therein lies the most stupid mistake anybody can make. The most important part is the music. Without that, why would you care? Even the idea that you're considering giving the music away for free makes it easier to give it away for free. The only reason why gold is expensive is because we all agree that it is. There's no real use for it, except we all agree and abide by the idea that gold costs a certain amount per ounce. As soon as you give people the choice to deviate from it, you have chaos and anarchy. And that's what going on.

I've read this like 3 times and still don't get it.

Oh yeah and KISS sucks.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
For those of you too lazy to read the entire thing, this is what im talking about



It has been nine years since we've seen a new KISS album. Any plans to get back into the studio?
The record industry is in such a mess. I called for what it was when college kids first started download music for free -- that they were crooks. I told every record label I spoke with that they just lit the fuse to their own bomb that was going to explode from under them and put them on the street.

There is nothing in me that wants to go in there and do new music. How are you going to deliver it? How are you going to get paid for it if people can just get it for free? I will be putting out a Gene Simmons box set called "Monster" -- a collection of 150 unreleased songs. KISS will have another box set of unreleased music in the next year.

The record industry doesn't have a f*cking clue how to make money. It's only their fault for letting foxes get into the henhouse and then wondering why there's no eggs or chickens. Every little college kid, every freshly-scrubbed little kid's face should have been sued off the face of the earth. They should have taken their houses and cars and nipped it right there in the beginning. Those kids are putting 100,000 to a million people out of work. How can you pick on them? They've got freckles. That's a crook. He may as well be wearing a bandit's mask.

Doesn't affect me. But imagine being a new band with dreams of getting on stage and putting out your own record. Forget it.

he has valid points, so whay is he a asshole?

Because they want to be able to steal music.

Duh....

For some reason the younger generation seems to think theft is ok.....disturbingly it seems as if that thought process is growing stronger with each passing year.

Because the older generation wasn't taping and distributing movies, TV programs, and music before? The only reason why people are making a fuss now is because of the ease of distribution.

I can honestly say I never copied albums to tape or duplicated tapes and gave them away. Same goes for VHS.

I did from time to time copy an album to a cassette, but only if the cassette version was not available and only then for my use in my car or "boom box"

Isn't the RIAA claiming copying music you've bought to be theft too now? I swear I remember a thread on ATOT discussing this.

If I understand it correctly the RIAA claimes that you can't rip CD's because doing so removes DRM from the tracks.

Hard to argue that about actual vinyl or cassettes since DRM

a. Didn't exist back then
b. Those mediums aren't digital

most people probably don't remember, but when copying analog music, you lose some fidelity with each copy, hence, you could copy album to cassette, but then copying that cassette to another cassette usually meant you lost so much quality that it wasn't worth it. hence there really wasn't the big concern about copying.

with digitial media, copies tend to be exact duplicates, no loss in music quality. hence the concerns.

Unfortunately these exact duplicates are usually mp3's, and since many don't buy the cd's even if they like the song they never really hear the quality they are missing.

i think you missed my point.

yes, MP3's aren't the same level of quality as what is on the CD but that is a choice. they can choose to go lossless. and the copies of the lossless would still be the same level of quality.

with the LP / CD to tape, first generation you lose say 15%, 2nd generation (1st generation tape copied) you lose another 15% etc. each generation you lose significant quality.

with the MP3, rip it once, then you no longer need the original in order to maintain that level of quality. an MP3 that is copied can be copied again and that copy can be copied again etc with 0 loss in quality.

that is something that wasn't possible with tape.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: buck
Why do I care what some washed up idiot like that thinks? He can take his boxed set and shove it up his ass.

That washed up idiot makes more in one hour than you do in an entire year. I would much rather be in his shoes than yours.

Gene is absolutely right, those kids are crooks who are putting people out of work and taking food out of the mouths of families. He is wrong about the approach to stopping the theft. It is impossible to sue millions of people. The industry needs a new business model that will encourage people to pay for the music.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Its not what he says that bothers me, its how he says it. He acts like hes all high and mighty...yeah well fuck him. Im sure he hasnt done anything illegal in his life, like oh I dont know maybe a few banned substances

Actually, Gene has never used drugs and does not drink.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
By the way, kiss sucks anyway.

..:thumbsup: sight gag for dopers.

 

[Dean]

95 Million records sold.

I think Gene and his crew should be charged with the Fraudulent sale of garbage to idiots.

Shouldn't there be a law?

 

[Anubis]

man there is some strong KISS hate on this forum

whild im not really a KISS fan s i do enjoy some of their songs

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Anubis
man there is some strong KISS hate on this forum

whild im not really a KISS fan s i do enjoy some of their songs

Really? I noticed more people wedging themselves firmly in Gene's ass and stradling his dick than anything else.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: glutenberg


Isn't the RIAA claiming copying music you've bought to be theft too now? I swear I remember a thread on ATOT discussing this.

I remember it too. Something about people working (in a bodyshop?) playing a legally bought cd on a boombox being illegal because other people who didn't pay (over a certain number of people maybe?) could hear it. I think it happened across the pond.

I think it was also in a "We hate Sony" thread where one of the executives claimed something similar.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
In 2004, during an interview in Melbourne, Australia, Simmons described Islam as a "vile culture" wherein women literally had fewer rights than dogs. He described Muslims as a threat, claiming that they wanted to leave the Middle East and supplant non-Muslims in other parts of the world by force. The Muslim community took offense, with Australian Muslim of the year Susan Carland asserting that Simmons' stereotyping of Muslims was inaccurate and that she never walked behind her husband as Simmons stated all Muslim women were required to do. He later said on his website that he was specifically talking about extremist muslims.[5]

He's Israeli so its pretty obvious why he hates muslims.

no he isn't he is a American citizen. he was born in Israel but moved to Brooklyn when he was 9.

 

[Stifko]

He also went to music school on 96th streeet and West End Ave.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Citrix

no he isn't he is a American citizen. he was born in Israel but moved to Brooklyn when he was 9.

He is a dual citizen. Gene still is a citizen of Israel and actively supports the country and it's military. He also actively supports our Military/Veterans by visiting VA hospitals and bases to give thanks for their service. I saw one episode of Family Jewels where he did this with his daughter. When Gene was talking to a Vietnam Vet and thanking him for his service, his eyes were welled up with tears and was genuinely emotionally touched by the response of the Vets to his visit.

Gene may be an asshole, but he does have another side to him that is compassionate.

 

[teclis1023]

He's Israeli so its pretty obvious why he hates muslims

Honestly...is it possible to be even more ignorant?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Anubis
man there is some strong KISS hate on this forum

whild im not really a KISS fan s i do enjoy some of their songs

Really? I noticed more people wedging themselves firmly in Gene's ass and stradling his dick than anything else.

I somehow think you wish you could be that guy.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Its not what he says that bothers me, its how he says it. He acts like hes all high and mighty...yeah well fuck him. Im sure he hasnt done anything illegal in his life, like oh I dont know maybe a few banned substances

Actually, Gene has never used drugs and does not drink.

PWND!

Before that OP thinks otherwise...yes the rest of the band did do a lot of banned substances.

They joke that this was how Gene had so many women....he didn't have time for anything else.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Unfortunately these exact duplicates are usually mp3's, and since many don't buy the cd's even if they like the song they never really hear the quality they are missing.

That existed with music to tape as tape's fidelity is limited. The problem is many aren't using MP3's at high loss rates anymore and regardless that one MP3 can seed 1,000,000+ copies with each sounding just as good as the original.

You could not do that with tape media so the 'lineage' died out in a few generations. Also tape media itself died from age quickly in many's cars and the like.

Digital music is a WHOLE different battlefield for the music industry.

Also many are duplicating discs directly at full quality, slapping the original artwork or a close enough copy on it and then selling them as originals. Online shops make this even more of a worldwide threat. As a shop owner in real life you usually need to advertise in at least a magazine to get sales outside your area. Online you just throw up a website and let the crawlers index your site.

The biggest problems in the recording industry are the studios and their control of what we hear. They take a big chunk out of an artists first album or two's sales (sometimes the artist can go platinum and yet get nothing more than $30k a year if that out of it).

The studios own the artist, the record stores, the radio stations, the concert halls/arenas....as an artist you can't get paid unless you follow their rules or build up enough of a reputation and finances to do it on your own. Artists usually get very little of their hard earned money...most is still going to someone that just pushed a button to let them in the door.

They need to fight us to get paid as if they fight above they get kicked to the curb. If the dynamo that is the music industry gave back a little more and took a little less they'd be still wealthy and we'd have lower cost music.

Tapes were cheaper than albums to produce....CD's are extremely cheap to produce. Did we ever see album prices drop?

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Unfortunately these exact duplicates are usually mp3's, and since many don't buy the cd's even if they like the song they never really hear the quality they are missing.

That existed with music to tape as tape's fidelity is limited. The problem is many aren't using MP3's at high loss rates anymore and regardless that one MP3 can seed 1,000,000+ copies with each sounding just as good as the original.

You could not do that with tape media so the 'lineage' died out in a few generations. Also tape media itself died from age quickly in many's cars and the like.

Digital music is a WHOLE different battlefield for the music industry.

Also many are duplicating discs directly at full quality, slapping the original artwork or a close enough copy on it and then selling them as originals. Online shops make this even more of a worldwide threat. As a shop owner in real life you usually need to advertise in at least a magazine to get sales outside your area. Online you just throw up a website and let the crawlers index your site.

The biggest problems in the recording industry are the studios and their control of what we hear. They take a big chunk out of an artists first album or two's sales (sometimes the artist can go platinum and yet get nothing more than $30k a year if that out of it).

The studios own the artist, the record stores, the radio stations, the concert halls/arenas....as an artist you can't get paid unless you follow their rules or build up enough of a reputation and finances to do it on your own. Artists usually get very little of their hard earned money...most is still going to someone that just pushed a button to let them in the door.

They need to fight us to get paid as if they fight above they get kicked to the curb. If the dynamo that is the music industry gave back a little more and took a little less they'd be still wealthy and we'd have lower cost music.

Tapes were cheaper than albums to produce....CD's are extremely cheap to produce. Did we ever see album prices drop?

I don't disagree with the things you say, I guess my point is that for many people today when it comes to music its quantity not quality (notice how mp3 players are promoted on how many songs they can store at 128kbps or 64kpbs not lossless like FLAC) at the cheapest price which for most people is "free", and if quality mattered SACD and DVD audio should have been a runaway success by now.

 

[compuwiz1]

Well, he did manage to bag Shannon Tweed. Got give him that much. :laugh:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Well, he did manage to bag Shannon Tweed. Got give him that much. :laugh:

She is the definitely of aging gracefully, although she does get help from the surgeons.

She's only 50.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
I don't disagree with the things you say, I guess my point is that for many people today when it comes to music its quantity not quality (notice how mp3 players are promoted on how many songs they can store at 128kbps or 64kpbs not lossless like FLAC) at the cheapest price which for most people is "free", and if quality mattered SACD and DVD audio should have been a runaway success by now.

SACD/DVD-A cost more and require specialized players.

128kbps is still probably the major bitrate (like satellite radio I think, which suxs as far as quality goes, but the content > regular radio).

Still the major factor is 320, 128, 64kbps or not, the 1,000,000th copy is just as good as the original.

 

[The Raven]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: 1prophet
I don't disagree with the things you say, I guess my point is that for many people today when it comes to music its quantity not quality (notice how mp3 players are promoted on how many songs they can store at 128kbps or 64kpbs not lossless like FLAC) at the cheapest price which for most people is "free", and if quality mattered SACD and DVD audio should have been a runaway success by now.

SACD/DVD-A cost more and require specialized players.

128kbps is still probably the major bitrate (like satellite radio I think, which suxs as far as quality goes, but the content > regular radio).

Still the major factor is 320, 128, 64kbps or not, the 1,000,000th copy is just as good as the original.

I'd like to add my two cents and say that if they think that the quality matters to the "LP/Casette v. CD/MP3" argument, then why don't they just make crappy recordings to begin with. Then no one would be able to actually pirate the music ever because the quality would suck like with tapes. Right?

Also they could solve the whole problem by not selling CDs. Just release tapes! Why didn't someone think of that before?!

No, I think that quality is not the issue.

The music industry sucks because they don't promote artists (just people that want to make money that they deem profitable), Sony licks bawls because they never dropped prices like they said they would and driving people to "stealing"

I don't think Gene is an a-hole, but his logic is clouded by all the poontang.

As he said, "Doesn't affect me. But imagine being a new band with dreams of getting on stage and putting out your own record. Forget it."

Yeah sucks to be them, Gene, because all of their would-be fans just blew their cash on your crappy boxed set. Kinda like the rich get richer, no?

Well I don't claim to be any genius or have an infalible plan to fix everything, but I do know that Gene shouldn't talk about dreams because he seems like an naive/accidental greedy bastard that doesn't really help the situation.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Dean
95 Million records sold.

I think Gene and his crew should be charged with the Fraudulent sale of garbage to idiots.

Shouldn't there be a law?

No, I'm pretty sure that's real garbage. He's got ya there.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Wow. This thread is still going.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: The Raven

I'd like to add my two cents and say that if they think that the quality matters to the "LP/Casette v. CD/MP3" argument, then why don't they just make crappy recordings to begin with. Then no one would be able to actually pirate the music ever because the quality would suck like with tapes. Right?

Also they could solve the whole problem by not selling CDs. Just release tapes! Why didn't someone think of that before?!

No, I think that quality is not the issue.

The music industry sucks because they don't promote artists (just people that want to make money that they deem profitable), Sony licks bawls because they never dropped prices like they said they would and driving people to "stealing"

I don't think Gene is an a-hole, but his logic is clouded by all the poontang.

As he said, "Doesn't affect me. But imagine being a new band with dreams of getting on stage and putting out your own record. Forget it."

Yeah sucks to be them, Gene, because all of their would-be fans just blew their cash on your crappy boxed set. Kinda like the rich get richer, no?

Well I don't claim to be any genius or have an infalible plan to fix everything, but I do know that Gene shouldn't talk about dreams because he seems like an naive/accidental greedy bastard that doesn't really help the situation.

Well actually more and more albums are being put out with pretty crappy mastering, most are still buying them. I think though the reason they can get away with this is so many think a 64k/128kbit song is the way it should sound and that satellite radio = cd quality.

I have bought a lot of CDs, but in the past 2 years hardly any...I can listen to them on launch.com and other sources legally and just as good as the crappy original CD.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: teclis1023

He's Israeli so its pretty obvious why he hates muslims

Honestly...is it possible to be even more ignorant?

I believe you are the ignorant one.